Anonymous wrote:11:27 here, OP, how much are you really going to lose under the new plan? Have you calculated it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/polit...ll-means-for-you/?hpid=topnews

And I am wondering, if healthcare is NOT a right: What IS a right? Are we limited to just life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Are unlocked fire escapes at your workplace a "right"? Is food or water a "right"? I have to pay for them so they are a commodity, but not a right. If "Life" is a right, do I have a right to the things that keep me alive, again like food and water? Or medicine? If people have a right to "Liberty and Happiness' do they have a right to gay marriage? Why not?

Look I pay a whole lot in taxes and I look around and see: I live like a Queen. I can't really get myself worked up to resent the indigent for benefiting from my taxes.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be blunt, but for all of history if appropriate medical care was unavailable the sick person lived his life at whatever standard and then passed away. I believe Darwin called it Natural Selection in the animal kingdom. Food for thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be blunt, but for all of history if appropriate medical care was unavailable the sick person lived his life at whatever standard and then passed away. I believe Darwin called it Natural Selection in the animal kingdom. Food for thought.

You can't be serious...

I think we, as a people, have evolved enough that we don't let our neighbors die simply b/c our country has chosen to spend trillions on the Iraqi war (that MANY of us never agreed with), but refuses to provide adequate health insurance to our fellow Americans who have fallen our tough times.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be blunt, but for all of history if appropriate medical care was unavailable the sick person lived his life at whatever standard and then passed away. I believe Darwin called it Natural Selection in the animal kingdom. Food for thought.

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Anonymous wrote:11:27 here, OP, how much are you really going to lose under the new plan? Have you calculated it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/polit...ll-means-for-you/?hpid=topnews

And I am wondering, if healthcare is NOT a right: What IS a right? Are we limited to just life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Are unlocked fire escapes at your workplace a "right"? Is food or water a "right"? I have to pay for them so they are a commodity, but not a right. If "Life" is a right, do I have a right to the things that keep me alive, again like food and water? Or medicine? If people have a right to "Liberty and Happiness' do they have a right to gay marriage? Why not?

Look I pay a whole lot in taxes and I look around and see: I live like a Queen. I can't really get myself worked up to resent the indigent for benefiting from my taxes.

I completely agree with you pp but want to emphasize that the indigent already get insurance coverage via Medicaid. This bill will help people who are working hard at low-paid jobs that keep our society running. It's important that when we counter the OP that we don't assume that her premise (that poor people who don't work at all are the primary beneficiaries of the bill) is correct. It is not.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be blunt, but for all of history if appropriate medical care was unavailable the sick person lived his life at whatever standard and then passed away. I believe Darwin called it Natural Selection in the animal kingdom. Food for thought.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be blunt, but for all of history if appropriate medical care was unavailable the sick person lived his life at whatever standard and then passed away. I believe Darwin called it Natural Selection in the animal kingdom. Food for thought.

Do you really want to live the way they did in "history"?

Wealth begets wealth; the wealthy ensure this. Wealth concentrates in the hands of the few. Society polarizes - the serfs vs the lords, slaves vs. masters, the aristocrats vs. everybody else. These conflicts don't usually end well. Especially not for the outnumbered rich (French revolution anyone?) We've come a long way.... We may not have (many, visible) people starving in the streets now. Seems to me the current have vs. have not issue is - health care.

Just like it's in everybody's best interest to have a basic standard of public education, it is in your selfish best interest to provide a basic, minimal standard of healthcare for your fellow citizens.