Notre Dame cathedral is on fire.

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[Post New]04/15/2019 14:31
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Anonymous wrote:This is tragic, but the French will restore it. That's one thing they do well, invest in the arts/culture and its preservation. It will take a long time, but it will happen. We don't do that and let our monuments go to pot: i.e. the Tidal Basin and the Jefferson Memorial. It's sinking.


Actually it’s Americans who have been funding the restoration of Norte Dame. You have misinformation. It is not in French culture to do fundraisers, etc to restore stuff like they do in the US. And the French government isn’t willing to pay for even half. I am French married to an American, I’m not just making this up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/paris-crumbling-notre-dame-cathedral-hopes-wealthy-americans-will-help-save-it/



I'm talking about the budget allocations to the arts in France vs how much we allocate to the arts per year. France has unrest now and people don't want to pay such high taxes, but traditionally this has been the way it was. Whereas in the U.S. we have never given priority to the arts, culture, or historic preservation. "Just raze it" has been our philosophy.


Unfortunately, restoration is not the same as rebuilding, and they are losing what appears to be most of the building...
[Post New]04/15/2019 14:39
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is tragic, but the French will restore it. That's one thing they do well, invest in the arts/culture and its preservation. It will take a long time, but it will happen. We don't do that and let our monuments go to pot: i.e. the Tidal Basin and the Jefferson Memorial. It's sinking.


Actually it’s Americans who have been funding the restoration of Norte Dame. You have misinformation. It is not in French culture to do fundraisers, etc to restore stuff like they do in the US. And the French government isn’t willing to pay for even half. I am French married to an American, I’m not just making this up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/paris-crumbling-notre-dame-cathedral-hopes-wealthy-americans-will-help-save-it/



I'm talking about the budget allocations to the arts in France vs how much we allocate to the arts per year. France has unrest now and people don't want to pay such high taxes, but traditionally this has been the way it was. Whereas in the U.S. we have never given priority to the arts, culture, or historic preservation. "Just raze it" has been our philosophy.


You don’t know much about French government I assume or experience. It is not so simple. We should be very worried about how they will pay. But today I’m just sad.
[Post New]04/15/2019 14:44
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is tragic, but the French will restore it. That's one thing they do well, invest in the arts/culture and its preservation. It will take a long time, but it will happen. We don't do that and let our monuments go to pot: i.e. the Tidal Basin and the Jefferson Memorial. It's sinking.


Actually it’s Americans who have been funding the restoration of Norte Dame. You have misinformation. It is not in French culture to do fundraisers, etc to restore stuff like they do in the US. And the French government isn’t willing to pay for even half. I am French married to an American, I’m not just making this up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/paris-crumbling-notre-dame-cathedral-hopes-wealthy-americans-will-help-save-it/



I'm talking about the budget allocations to the arts in France vs how much we allocate to the arts per year. France has unrest now and people don't want to pay such high taxes, but traditionally this has been the way it was. Whereas in the U.S. we have never given priority to the arts, culture, or historic preservation. "Just raze it" has been our philosophy.


You don’t know much about French government I assume or experience. It is not so simple. We should be very worried about how they will pay. But today I’m just sad.


I've lived in France. What I stated was fact. But I think we can both agree this is tragic, and changes the prospects of preservation for the cathedral. As the fire goes on, I think it's future will only be open to the public (eventually) as a ruin.
[Post New]04/15/2019 14:52
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Anonymous
So is it completely destroyed? Or too early to tell? Are they really trying to get it out or is it too big to help?
[Post New]04/15/2019 14:53
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is tragic, but the French will restore it. That's one thing they do well, invest in the arts/culture and its preservation. It will take a long time, but it will happen. We don't do that and let our monuments go to pot: i.e. the Tidal Basin and the Jefferson Memorial. It's sinking.


Actually it’s Americans who have been funding the restoration of Norte Dame. You have misinformation. It is not in French culture to do fundraisers, etc to restore stuff like they do in the US. And the French government isn’t willing to pay for even half. I am French married to an American, I’m not just making this up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/paris-crumbling-notre-dame-cathedral-hopes-wealthy-americans-will-help-save-it/



I'm talking about the budget allocations to the arts in France vs how much we allocate to the arts per year. France has unrest now and people don't want to pay such high taxes, but traditionally this has been the way it was. Whereas in the U.S. we have never given priority to the arts, culture, or historic preservation. "Just raze it" has been our philosophy.


You don’t know much about French government I assume or experience. It is not so simple. We should be very worried about how they will pay. But today I’m just sad.



The PP you're disputing is right. Take a look at this article: https://www.alternet.org/2014/02/culturally-impoverished-us-nea-spends-140th-what-germany-doles-out-arts-capita/
[Post New]04/15/2019 14:54
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Anonymous
So sad. And during Holy Week of all times.
[Post New]04/15/2019 14:55
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my child arrived to Paris this morning on a school trip and was supposed to visit the Louvre and the cathedral, so when I saw the news I was at first worried. came out that the Louvre was today and the visit to the cathedral was tomorrow morning (I guess it will not happen)

watching the fire online was heartbreaking. the fire looks like it stared in the roof, which is made of wood. people don't understand how fast something like that can spread and given the height of the cathedral, it is really not easy to put the fire out right away. years ago the opera theater iun Venice went down in flames in a similar manner, works in place, somebody left something plugged in under the roof and by the time the fire was detected it was too late and the entire building burnt. I lived in Paris years ago and I saw at least a couple of time how good French firefighters are, got superquickly and acted very quickly. in this case it is a very, very difficult situation, only a proven idiot like Trump can give advice from 3000 miles away
[Post New]04/15/2019 14:59
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It’s a lovely and historic place. Hopefully they can save quite a bit of the art. I know they are trying. But it’s not a tragedy. It’s a building. Lives lost are tragic.
[Post New]04/15/2019 15:00
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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lovely and historic place. Hopefully they can save quite a bit of the art. I know they are trying. But it’s not a tragedy. It’s a building. Lives lost are tragic.


Why can’t human death AND the loss of a cultural icon both be tragic?
[Post New]04/15/2019 15:09
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Anonymous
Do they not have a fire protection plan in place? Seems insane.
[Post New]04/15/2019 15:12
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Anonymous wrote:Do they not have a fire protection plan in place? Seems insane.


Apparently the building is too high to get fire fighting equipment up there. In the NYTimes article it said these cathedrals are huge fire hazards and would be condemned, if it wasn't for their cultural and religious value.
[Post New]04/15/2019 15:13
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diseny is taking their live action movies just a bit too far....


that being said. these old churches are just wood and bricks. probably zero sprinkler system. and even if they had long ladder trucks going to be difficult to reach som eof the higher flames.

Maybe a plane or helicopters designed for fighting forest fires would be an option, but not likely there are many sitting nearby in paris.
[Post New]04/15/2019 15:14
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Anonymous wrote:So sad. And during Holy Week of all times.


I have a feeling it will come out that this is not a coincidence.
[Post New]04/15/2019 15:15
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This photo.

[Post New]04/15/2019 15:15
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s a lovely and historic place. Hopefully they can save quite a bit of the art. I know they are trying. But it’s not a tragedy. It’s a building. Lives lost are tragic.


Why can’t human death AND the loss of a cultural icon both be tragic?


Because I think had the church spent more of that money helping the common folk instead of building iconic churches then perhaps the institutions would have themselves been better organizations. Just my two cents.
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