Notre Dame cathedral is on fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

It is an active church, how can a church charge an entrance fee?

[Anonymous]

I think it does already.

Regardless an 800+ year old church needs lots of ongoing maintenance and repairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

It is an active church, how can a church charge an entrance fee?

That is what you took from PP's post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

It's a building. They could consider charging admissions outside of Sunday the way the National Cathedral in DC does. People have many options to donate their money. It's surprising to me that half a billion dollars have been raised overnight. Definitely doesn't happen when there's a famine in an African country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

I have a French friend who bought a crumbling building in the countryside. It has a chapel and the sister of a famous historical figure is buried in its crypt. He gets some tax advantages for restoration work, but for funding he is working with U.S. historical organizations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One does not need evidence to see the window on the south side is not in good shape. Like barely there

The windows are fine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/15/europe/notre-dame-artifacts/index.html

A true miracle!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm shocked there weren't sprinklers or anything.

In an 850 year old cathedral?

It’s been renovated multiple times and has been undergoing a renovation since 1990 that was almost complete. I would have thought they’d install sprinklers in the attic.

I do know how old it is. I just thought it would be better protected.

I read this morning that in the absence of modern fire safety technology, three times a day, every day, the attic was inspected for fire. Also, of the 500 responding firefighters at the scene, 100 of them were dedicated to rescuing art and artifacts. Twice in the past year, firefighters ran drills for rescuing the art in case of fire. I find that remarkable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm shocked there weren't sprinklers or anything.


In an 850 year old cathedral?


It’s been renovated multiple times and has been undergoing a renovation since 1990 that was almost complete. I would have thought they’d install sprinklers in the attic.

I do know how old it is. I just thought it would be better protected.


I read this morning that in the absence of modern fire safety technology, three times a day, every day, the attic was inspected for fire. Also, of the 500 responding firefighters at the scene, 100 of them were dedicated to rescuing art and artifacts. Twice in the past year, firefighters ran drills for rescuing the art in case of fire. I find that remarkable.

That is really interesting! I'd love to see the article, can you post a link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One does not need evidence to see the window on the south side is not in good shape. Like barely there

The windows are fine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/15/europe/notre-dame-artifacts/index.html

A true miracle!

Rose window appears in good shape: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-photos-pariss-notre-dame-cathedral-on-fire/2019/04/15/fcdd87aa-5fa3-11e9-9ff2-abc984dc9eec_gallery.html?utm_term=.1e0a0c53b015

Windows behind the alter also survived: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-photos-pariss-notre-dame-cathedral-on-fire/2019/04/15/fcdd87aa-5fa3-11e9-9ff2-abc984dc9eec_gallery.html?utm_term=.1e0a0c53b015

This rose-shaped window, however, is not in good shape: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-photos-pariss-notre-dame-cathedral-on-fire/2019/04/15/fcdd87aa-5fa3-11e9-9ff2-abc984dc9eec_gallery.html?utm_term=.1e0a0c53b015

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

It's a building. They could consider charging admissions outside of Sunday the way the National Cathedral in DC does. People have many options to donate their money. It's surprising to me that half a billion dollars have been raised overnight. Definitely doesn't happen when there's a famine in an African country.

PP 9:54 French lady here. Don’t get me started on that, I agree, you don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

It is an active church, how can a church charge an entrance fee?

It is owned by the French government. The Catholic Church is allowed to use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

It's a building. They could consider charging admissions outside of Sunday the way the National Cathedral in DC does. People have many options to donate their money. It's surprising to me that half a billion dollars have been raised overnight. Definitely doesn't happen when there's a famine in an African country.

People are free to donate to the causes of their choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Francois-Henri Pinault has already pledged 100 million euros to rebuilding.

So have the Arnaults. But is frustrating as a French person that the money wasn’t raised before now. Perhaps they did donate before but I’ve been solicited countless times in the last decade after permanently moving to the US to help raise money in the US because the French couldn’t raise the $200 million it initially needed to restore it. The poor Notre Dame has been in disrepair for a long time, it’s very expensive to maintain and there is not a charge to visit it so they don’t raise money from admissions. The repairs have been delayed because of lack of funds and these current renovations were very small in comparison to what needed to be entirely done. But previously the French government and the Catholic Church didn’t have enough money and they couldn’t raise enough money within France so they purposefully came to the US as Americans have a reputation of being more charitable. Even Macron came to NYC, DC and LA to fundraise because he couldn’t get it from the French.

I am glad my fellow French citizens are stepping up but there isn’t a lesson to be learned here that it is important to preserve historical landmarks, monuments, art, and items of cultural significance. Please don’t wait until it’s too late and just think someone else will get to it. Sigh.

It's a building. They could consider charging admissions outside of Sunday the way the National Cathedral in DC does. People have many options to donate their money. It's surprising to me that half a billion dollars have been raised overnight. Definitely doesn't happen when there's a famine in an African country.

People are free to donate to the causes of their choices.

Who said that people weren't free to donate to the causes of their choices? And although it should be obvious to you, people are also free to make judgments as to the quality of those choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm shocked there weren't sprinklers or anything.

In an 850 year old cathedral?

It’s been renovated multiple times and has been undergoing a renovation since 1990 that was almost complete. I would have thought they’d install sprinklers in the attic.

I do know how old it is. I just thought it would be better protected.

I read this morning that in the absence of modern fire safety technology, three times a day, every day, the attic was inspected for fire. Also, of the 500 responding firefighters at the scene, 100 of them were dedicated to rescuing art and artifacts. Twice in the past year, firefighters ran drills for rescuing the art in case of fire. I find that remarkable.

+1 Very! Those firefighters seem extremely competent and brave.

[Anonymous]

Notre Dame Cathedral rebuilt and opens to open to public on December 8, 2024.