Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally think the physical and spiritual planes are the same. We - in our living states - see one part of the plane, but when we die, we take on a different form.

may sound silly - But that's my belief.

Years ago, in my 20s, a friend's mother had schizophrenia.
At one point, my friend said that her mother made it clear that - with or without the meds - the voices she hears and the people she sees are indeed real.

She was a brilliant woman with multiple degrees.

I think they can connect the physical realm to the spiritual realm.

It doesn't matter that she was brilliant -- she was schizophrenic, which means she was out of touch with reality. Her saying the voice she hears are real does not make them real.

my belief

She was brilliant, and she did indeed understand "her" reality versus what you (and others) believe is THE reality.

I think schizophrenics have a gift - not a happy one but a gift nonetheless.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally think the physical and spiritual planes are the same. We - in our living states - see one part of the plane, but when we die, we take on a different form.

may sound silly - But that's my belief.

Years ago, in my 20s, a friend's mother had schizophrenia.
At one point, my friend said that her mother made it clear that - with or without the meds - the voices she hears and the people she sees are indeed real.

She was a brilliant woman with multiple degrees.

I think they can connect the physical realm to the spiritual realm.

It doesn't matter that she was brilliant -- she was schizophrenic, which means she was out of touch with reality. Her saying the voice she hears are real does not make them real.

my belief

She was brilliant, and she did indeed understand "her" reality versus what you (and others) believe is THE reality.

I think schizophrenics have a gift - not a happy one but a gift nonetheless.

More like a curse and definitely a break from reality.

PaleoConPrep wrote:This question has been asked on this forum a number of times. No one can give you a satisfactory answer on this. You need to decide what you believe. Science cannot answer this question. It's a matter of faith. I personally agree with John Donne on this question.

Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so;
For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow
Die not, poor Death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleep, which but thy pictures be,
Much pleasure; then from thee much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee do go,
Rest of their bones, and soul's delivery.
Thou art slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell,
And poppy or charms can make us sleep as well
And better than thy stroke; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleep past, we wake eternally
And death shall be no more; Death, thou shalt die.

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:This question has been asked on this forum a number of times. No one can give you a satisfactory answer on this. You need to decide what you believe. Science cannot answer this question. It's a matter of faith. I personally agree with John Donne on this question.

Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so;
For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow
Die not, poor Death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleep, which but thy pictures be,
Much pleasure; then from thee much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee do go,
Rest of their bones, and soul's delivery.
Thou art slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell,
And poppy or charms can make us sleep as well
And better than thy stroke; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleep past, we wake eternally
And death shall be no more; Death, thou shalt die.

Science can answer the question -- Humans die and go into oblivion like every other form of life. "Deciding what you believe" is just making up things, which humans, unlike other forms of life, are capable of.

Enjoy your life. We're lucky to have it for as long as it lasts.

Anonymous wrote:all fade to black then white tunnel.

sometimes jesus will be there to see if your soul is done if not then you are reborn again.

Anonymous wrote:"Science can answer the question -- Humans die and go into oblivion like every other form of life. "Deciding what you believe" is just making up things, which humans, unlike other forms of life, are capable of. "

And yet, energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Explain that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking for short responses. Tia

We meet our maker. We are asked to account for our life (pretty similar to how folks in near death experiences discuss "life reviews").

We are called to free ourselves from any remaining sins. We can accept or reject.

Most that accept will still not be ready to immediately enter their final destination, so there will need to be a process of purification. (Purgatory).

Those that cling to their sins will always do so due to the greatest sin, pride. They will refuse to accept any need to reform themselves or submit themselves to something greater than themselves. They will be granted their wish and will be alone. They will fade to a shell of their former selves.

Ultimately, I very much hope that most will choose to free themselves from sin and join in perfect union with our creator.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking for short responses. Tia

We meet our maker. We are asked to account for our life (pretty similar to how folks in near death experiences discuss "life reviews").

We are called to free ourselves from any remaining sins. We can accept or reject.

Most that accept will still not be ready to immediately enter their final destination, so there will need to be a process of purification. (Purgatory).

Those that cling to their sins will always do so due to the greatest sin, pride. They will refuse to accept any need to reform themselves or submit themselves to something greater than themselves. They will be granted their wish and will be alone. They will fade to a shell of their former selves.

Ultimately, I very much hope that most will choose to free themselves from sin and join in perfect union with our creator.

You can't be serious!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking for short responses. Tia

We meet our maker. We are asked to account for our life (pretty similar to how folks in near death experiences discuss "life reviews").

We are called to free ourselves from any remaining sins. We can accept or reject.

Most that accept will still not be ready to immediately enter their final destination, so there will need to be a process of purification. (Purgatory).

Those that cling to their sins will always do so due to the greatest sin, pride. They will refuse to accept any need to reform themselves or submit themselves to something greater than themselves. They will be granted their wish and will be alone. They will fade to a shell of their former selves.

Ultimately, I very much hope that most will choose to free themselves from sin and join in perfect union with our creator.

You can't be serious!

This is a classic Christian view of life after death, except for the bit about fading to a shell of their former selves. That's a watered down version of living in eternal torment - that is, going to hell.