Intervene to Save a Student Life from Suicide or Threat of Violence, Yes, But How About from Drugs?

Anonymous
My sister and I have been having an ongoing conversation on the following question. If you are a student and you hear a fellow student talk about committing suicide, or discuss plans or intentions to commit violent acts against their classmates or school, you are obviously going to immediately report it to someone so that they can intervene and help. Why then are students inclined to do the exact opposite when it comes to escalating and/or dangerous drug use among a fellow student?

Her oldest son is currently in college and attended an elite prep school in the Northeast (akin to, or with an even better reputation than, schools like GDS, NCS/STA, or Sidwell). One of the young men in his extended high school circle (not a best friend, but definitely someone he knew well, socialized with, and was in many classes and activities with) died last year of a drug overdose after dropping out of college. This was a boy who was supposedly well liked, respected by his peers, one of the academic stars of his class, with a close group of friends, a good athlete, and highly successful in one of his school's academic teams - which is a perennial powerhouse. His parents are professionals and by all accounts his entire family (brother and sister) is lovely.

After this young man's death there has been a good deal of ongoing guilt and self-recriminations among his former classmates. The parents supposedly had no idea their son had a drug problem until he started to fall apart during his second year of college (an Ivy), and deteriorated so quickly that he had to drop out by the end of that year. His high school classmates knew that he smoked marijuana (as some of them did) in high school - often during the school week or school day - and that he had moved on to DXM (cough syrup) and opioid use (smoking from a pipe). But no one wanted to say anything because (a) they thought it was not affecting his grades or ability to function (great grades and college), and (b) they did not want to ruin his life. Obviously knowing now the path his life would take (OD injecting heroin), many of his friends wish that they had spoken to his parents about the issue earlier. This story has affected us both because the circumstances and situation are so much exactly like our daily experience.

As a result I have told my children that they need to report escalating or increased drug use by a friend to me, so that I can contact someone to help. Or they need to write and mail an anonymous note to the family of the student involved, and/or write and deliver an anonymous note to a school teacher or counselor so that they can intervene to help the student. I have told them that observing or knowing about an issue of risky drug use among a student, is like knowing that that student intends to harm themselves or others in the immediate future.

I have defined the types of risky drug (ab)use that should be immediately (either anonymously or in person) reported to the student's family or school as:

(1) selling any sort of drugs on or near school property;

(2) using any drug (marijuana, prescription medicines, over-the-counter drug, opioids, or street drugs) multiple times a week;

(3) showing up high or otherwise altered to school;

(4) progressing to the point where you are either smoking opioids or street drugs from a pipe (pre-injection), or through injection (by which point your are an addict).

Already one of my children has told me that they are concerned about one of their classmates, and would like me to help contact the school (I intend to mail an anonymous note to the family). I would ask all families to please have similar conversations with their own children. If you think this cannot or does not occur in your school, you are wrong about that. And if you believe that it is not your business to intervene when a student has started down a risky path with drugs because "you don't want to ruin their lives", well, you are more likely to "ruin their lives" if you do not intervene to help. It has been conclusively demonstrated that early-onset (11-16 years) drug abuse is much more difficult to kick (as opposed to beginning drug use later in life), and that once a teenager has progressed to smoking opioids or street drugs it is certain they will eventually turn to injecting them. And once a person uses injections to get high that habit is mostly impossible to kick.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My sister and I have been having an ongoing conversation on the following question. If you are a student and you hear a fellow student talk about committing suicide, or discuss plans or intentions to commit violent acts against their classmates or school, you are obviously going to immediately report it to someone so that they can intervene and help. Why then are students inclined to do the exact opposite when it comes to escalating and/or dangerous drug use among a fellow student?

Her oldest son is currently in college and attended an elite prep school in the Northeast (akin to, or with an even better reputation than, schools like GDS, NCS/STA, or Sidwell). One of the young men in his extended high school circle (not a best friend, but definitely someone he knew well, socialized with, and was in many classes and activities with) died last year of a drug overdose after dropping out of college. This was a boy who was supposedly well liked, respected by his peers, one of the academic stars of his class, with a close group of friends, a good athlete, and highly successful in one of his school's academic teams - which is a perennial powerhouse. His parents are professionals and by all accounts his entire family (brother and sister) is lovely.

After this young man's death there has been a good deal of ongoing guilt and self-recriminations among his former classmates. The parents supposedly had no idea their son had a drug problem until he started to fall apart during his second year of college (an Ivy), and deteriorated so quickly that he had to drop out by the end of that year. His high school classmates knew that he smoked marijuana (as some of them did) in high school - often during the school week or school day - and that he had moved on to DXM (cough syrup) and opioid use (smoking from a pipe). But no one wanted to say anything because (a) they thought it was not affecting his grades or ability to function (great grades and college), and (b) they did not want to ruin his life. Obviously knowing now the path his life would take (OD injecting heroin), many of his friends wish that they had spoken to his parents about the issue earlier. This story has affected us both because the circumstances and situation are so much exactly like our daily experience.

As a result I have told my children that they need to report escalating or increased drug use by a friend to me, so that I can contact someone to help. Or they need to write and mail an anonymous note to the family of the student involved, and/or write and deliver an anonymous note to a school teacher or counselor so that they can intervene to help the student. I have told them that observing or knowing about an issue of risky drug use among a student, is like knowing that that student intends to harm themselves or others in the immediate future.

I have defined the types of risky drug (ab)use that should be immediately (either anonymously or in person) reported to the student's family or school as:

(1) selling any sort of drugs on or near school property;

(2) using any drug (marijuana, prescription medicines, over-the-counter drug, opioids, or street drugs) multiple times a week;

(3) showing up high or otherwise altered to school;

(4) progressing to the point where you are either smoking opioids or street drugs from a pipe (pre-injection), or through injection (by which point your are an addict).

Already one of my children has told me that they are concerned about one of their classmates, and would like me to help contact the school (I intend to mail an anonymous note to the family). I would ask all families to please have similar conversations with their own children. If you think this cannot or does not occur in your school, you are wrong about that. And if you believe that it is not your business to intervene when a student has started down a risky path with drugs because "you don't want to ruin their lives", well, you are more likely to "ruin their lives" if you do not intervene to help. It has been conclusively demonstrated that early-onset (11-16 years) drug abuse is much more difficult to kick (as opposed to beginning drug use later in life), and that once a teenager has progressed to smoking opioids or street drugs it is certain they will eventually turn to injecting them. And once a person uses injections to get high that habit is mostly impossible to kick.



I meant to say that they should intervene or report it when they know about risky drug use with a friend, or a fellow student.
Anonymous
Or maybe there is no issue with "risky drug use" at the local DC private schools?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My sister and I have been having an ongoing conversation on the following question. If you are a student and you hear a fellow student talk about committing suicide, or discuss plans or intentions to commit violent acts against their classmates or school, you are obviously going to immediately report it to someone so that they can intervene and help. Why then are students inclined to do the exact opposite when it comes to escalating and/or dangerous drug use among a fellow student?

Her oldest son is currently in college and attended an elite prep school in the Northeast (akin to, or with an even better reputation than, schools like GDS, NCS/STA, or Sidwell). One of the young men in his extended high school circle (not a best friend, but definitely someone he knew well, socialized with, and was in many classes and activities with) died last year of a drug overdose after dropping out of college. This was a boy who was supposedly well liked, respected by his peers, one of the academic stars of his class, with a close group of friends, a good athlete, and highly successful in one of his school's academic teams - which is a perennial powerhouse. His parents are professionals and by all accounts his entire family (brother and sister) is lovely.

After this young man's death there has been a good deal of ongoing guilt and self-recriminations among his former classmates. The parents supposedly had no idea their son had a drug problem until he started to fall apart during his second year of college (an Ivy), and deteriorated so quickly that he had to drop out by the end of that year. His high school classmates knew that he smoked marijuana (as some of them did) in high school - often during the school week or school day - and that he had moved on to DXM (cough syrup) and opioid use (smoking from a pipe). But no one wanted to say anything because (a) they thought it was not affecting his grades or ability to function (great grades and college), and (b) they did not want to ruin his life. Obviously knowing now the path his life would take (OD injecting heroin), many of his friends wish that they had spoken to his parents about the issue earlier. This story has affected us both because the circumstances and situation are so much exactly like our daily experience.

As a result I have told my children that they need to report escalating or increased drug use by a friend to me, so that I can contact someone to help. Or they need to write and mail an anonymous note to the family of the student involved, and/or write and deliver an anonymous note to a school teacher or counselor so that they can intervene to help the student. I have told them that observing or knowing about an issue of risky drug use among a student, is like knowing that that student intends to harm themselves or others in the immediate future.

I have defined the types of risky drug (ab)use that should be immediately (either anonymously or in person) reported to the student's family or school as:

(1) selling any sort of drugs on or near school property;

(2) using any drug (marijuana, prescription medicines, over-the-counter drug, opioids, or street drugs) multiple times a week;

(3) showing up high or otherwise altered to school;

(4) progressing to the point where you are either smoking opioids or street drugs from a pipe (pre-injection), or through injection (by which point your are an addict).

Already one of my children has told me that they are concerned about one of their classmates, and would like me to help contact the school (I intend to mail an anonymous note to the family). I would ask all families to please have similar conversations with their own children. If you think this cannot or does not occur in your school, you are wrong about that. And if you believe that it is not your business to intervene when a student has started down a risky path with drugs because "you don't want to ruin their lives", well, you are more likely to "ruin their lives" if you do not intervene to help. It has been conclusively demonstrated that early-onset (11-16 years) drug abuse is much more difficult to kick (as opposed to beginning drug use later in life), and that once a teenager has progressed to smoking opioids or street drugs it is certain they will eventually turn to injecting them. And once a person uses injections to get high that habit is mostly impossible to kick.




I think you've answered your own question. These kids don't believe anything "bad" will happen to them and/or their friends and acquaintances. That is partially because of their age....they are in that invincible period. And partially because so many kids DO use some kind of drug recreationally without any negative consequences. Why can one kid smoke a little pot on the weekends and still be successful, yet another who starts out the same way, end up abusing harder drugs? We know there are many contributing factors, but there is no magic way to predict the outcome.

As a retired high school teacher and parent, I applaud your communication with your kids and respect your willingness to be involved. Good luck to you.
Anonymous
^^ Similarly some number of people who contemplate or discuss suicide go on to attempt it, while others do not. And some number of people who make threats of violence towards others go on to act on those threats, while others do not. And yet I'm each of those instances out instinct is to intervene with the person and seek help for them.

That is why normal teen drug use like the occasional use of pot at a weekend party, should be distinguished from the above delineated, more concerning, and risky drug use, when deciding to intervene with a person and seek help for them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My sister and I have been having an ongoing conversation on the following question. If you are a student and you hear a fellow student talk about committing suicide, or discuss plans or intentions to commit violent acts against their classmates or school, you are obviously going to immediately report it to someone so that they can intervene and help. Why then are students inclined to do the exact opposite when it comes to escalating and/or dangerous drug use among a fellow student?

Her oldest son is currently in college and attended an elite prep school in the Northeast (akin to, or with an even better reputation than, schools like GDS, NCS/STA, or Sidwell). One of the young men in his extended high school circle (not a best friend, but definitely someone he knew well, socialized with, and was in many classes and activities with) died last year of a drug overdose after dropping out of college. This was a boy who was supposedly well liked, respected by his peers, one of the academic stars of his class, with a close group of friends, a good athlete, and highly successful in one of his school's academic teams - which is a perennial powerhouse. His parents are professionals and by all accounts his entire family (brother and sister) is lovely.

After this young man's death there has been a good deal of ongoing guilt and self-recriminations among his former classmates. The parents supposedly had no idea their son had a drug problem until he started to fall apart during his second year of college (an Ivy), and deteriorated so quickly that he had to drop out by the end of that year. His high school classmates knew that he smoked marijuana (as some of them did) in high school - often during the school week or school day - and that he had moved on to DXM (cough syrup) and opioid use (smoking from a pipe). But no one wanted to say anything because (a) they thought it was not affecting his grades or ability to function (great grades and college), and (b) they did not want to ruin his life. Obviously knowing now the path his life would take (OD injecting heroin), many of his friends wish that they had spoken to his parents about the issue earlier. This story has affected us both because the circumstances and situation are so much exactly like our daily experience.

As a result I have told my children that they need to report escalating or increased drug use by a friend to me, so that I can contact someone to help. Or they need to write and mail an anonymous note to the family of the student involved, and/or write and deliver an anonymous note to a school teacher or counselor so that they can intervene to help the student. I have told them that observing or knowing about an issue of risky drug use among a student, is like knowing that that student intends to harm themselves or others in the immediate future.

I have defined the types of risky drug (ab)use that should be immediately (either anonymously or in person) reported to the student's family or school as:

(1) selling any sort of drugs on or near school property;

(2) using any drug (marijuana, prescription medicines, over-the-counter drug, opioids, or street drugs) multiple times a week;

(3) showing up high or otherwise altered to school;

(4) progressing to the point where you are either smoking opioids or street drugs from a pipe (pre-injection), or through injection (by which point your are an addict).

Already one of my children has told me that they are concerned about one of their classmates, and would like me to help contact the school (I intend to mail an anonymous note to the family). I would ask all families to please have similar conversations with their own children. If you think this cannot or does not occur in your school, you are wrong about that. And if you believe that it is not your business to intervene when a student has started down a risky path with drugs because "you don't want to ruin their lives", well, you are more likely to "ruin their lives" if you do not intervene to help. It has been conclusively demonstrated that early-onset (11-16 years) drug abuse is much more difficult to kick (as opposed to beginning drug use later in life), and that once a teenager has progressed to smoking opioids or street drugs it is certain they will eventually turn to injecting them. And once a person uses injections to get high that habit is mostly impossible to kick.



these GDS booster threads are growing tiresome
Anonymous
If you read the thread you will see that it is not about a particular school, either private or public, but rather about the question of whether and when a parent or student should step in to help a classmate, teammate, or friend with issues of drug use. Sidwell, St. Albans, National Cathedral, and Georgetown Day are mentioned only as comparisons to a school where a student's problem with drugs eventually resulted in death.
Anonymous
OP, thank you for this posts and these thoughts. My kids are slightly younger so I'm not yet at the high school age where this is going on, but I have been through a heroin overdose/death by a promising young person in my family, so I do have some familiarity with the situation.

My one question is this: Why does your contact with the student's family have to be anonymous? I ask this sincerely. If it were my child, I would hug and kiss and thank you for bringing this to my attention, even if (especially if?) you were someone I didn't really know who took the time and interest to help my kid. I guess I can see why your kids would want to keep contact with a guidance counselor about a friend anonymous, but why are we parents afraid to speak up?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:^^ Similarly some number of people who contemplate or discuss suicide go on to attempt it, while others do not. And some number of people who make threats of violence towards others go on to act on those threats, while others do not. And yet I'm each of those instances out instinct is to intervene with the person and seek help for them.

That is why normal teen drug use like the occasional use of pot at a weekend party, should be distinguished from the above delineated, more concerning, and risky drug use, when deciding to intervene with a person and seek help for them.


Just say no. These days pot is not what it was. And it's not normal to smoke pot on weekends. Schools will suspend / expel for this. Zero tolerance.
Anonymous
Yeah, these days pot is more like alcohol -- controlled sale, illegal only for people < 21. Not seeing the zero tolerance thing -- where have you found that to be true?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, thank you for this posts and these thoughts. My kids are slightly younger so I'm not yet at the high school age where this is going on, but I have been through a heroin overdose/death by a promising young person in my family, so I do have some familiarity with the situation.

My one question is this: Why does your contact with the student's family have to be anonymous? I ask this sincerely. If it were my child, I would hug and kiss and thank you for bringing this to my attention, even if (especially if?) you were someone I didn't really know who took the time and interest to help my kid. I guess I can see why your kids would want to keep contact with a guidance counselor about a friend anonymous, but why are we parents afraid to speak up?


That is a good question pp, and I had to think about it for a while. If the student were a good friend of my child, and I knew the parents well enough to consider them friends, then yes, I would meet with them personally to discuss the issue.

However this sort of issue is highly uncomfortable to discuss and, by its nature, somewhat confrontational or accusatory. I think that to approach someone you do not know well in person might lead them to be defensive and embarrassed as a first instinct, and not allow them to focus on the issue at hand. Sending the parents an anonymous letter takes the confrontational aspect out of it, removes the them-versus-you setup, foregoes the embarrassment, and allows the parents to focus on the issue at hand, which is their child's drug use.

Also, most parents are not capable of withholding information from their child in this context, and it would inevitably come out that they were approached by Dick's mother or Jane's father. If Dick and Jane are the student's good friends it is understandable that they want to help, but if Dick and Jane are simply classmates with no especially close connection they may be perceived as snitches, and face social repercussions or harassment at school.

Additionally, something may get lost in the translation when a parent tries to convey the information from a third-party conversation to their child. But if a parent can show their child a letter conveying the information, the student is faced with the fact that other people in the community know about their risky behavior and are concerned about it. That may be a real wake up call, and is difficult to deny. The evidence is right there before them. The only issue if you write an anonymous letter is to provide enough detail so that the parents fully understand what they are dealing with. Try to be as specific as possible, and to include as many details (what kind of drugs, how often, when are they used), facts, and examples of the drug use as you can provide.

Finally I would be inclined to approach the family first, either in person or anonymously; as long as I thought the parents actually cared and would be inclined to do something, or as long as I thought that things were not totally out of control for the student, and/or a danger to others in the school's community. If you approach the school first then, again, it results in a more confrontational setup, and may cause the parents to be more focused on the school's reaction than on their child's problem.
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Anonymous wrote:My sister and I have been having an ongoing conversation on the following question. If you are a student and you hear a fellow student talk about committing suicide, or discuss plans or intentions to commit violent acts against their classmates or school, you are obviously going to immediately report it to someone so that they can intervene and help. Why then are students inclined to do the exact opposite when it comes to escalating and/or dangerous drug use among a fellow student?

Her oldest son is currently in college and attended an elite prep school in the Northeast (akin to, or with an even better reputation than, schools like GDS, NCS/STA, or Sidwell). One of the young men in his extended high school circle (not a best friend, but definitely someone he knew well, socialized with, and was in many classes and activities with) died last year of a drug overdose after dropping out of college. This was a boy who was supposedly well liked, respected by his peers, one of the academic stars of his class, with a close group of friends, a good athlete, and highly successful in one of his school's academic teams - which is a perennial powerhouse. His parents are professionals and by all accounts his entire family (brother and sister) is lovely.

After this young man's death there has been a good deal of ongoing guilt and self-recriminations among his former classmates. The parents supposedly had no idea their son had a drug problem until he started to fall apart during his second year of college (an Ivy), and deteriorated so quickly that he had to drop out by the end of that year. His high school classmates knew that he smoked marijuana (as some of them did) in high school - often during the school week or school day - and that he had moved on to DXM (cough syrup) and opioid use (smoking from a pipe). But no one wanted to say anything because (a) they thought it was not affecting his grades or ability to function (great grades and college), and (b) they did not want to ruin his life. Obviously knowing now the path his life would take (OD injecting heroin), many of his friends wish that they had spoken to his parents about the issue earlier. This story has affected us both because the circumstances and situation are so much exactly like our daily experience.

As a result I have told my children that they need to report escalating or increased drug use by a friend to me, so that I can contact someone to help. Or they need to write and mail an anonymous note to the family of the student involved, and/or write and deliver an anonymous note to a school teacher or counselor so that they can intervene to help the student. I have told them that observing or knowing about an issue of risky drug use among a student, is like knowing that that student intends to harm themselves or others in the immediate future.

I have defined the types of risky drug (ab)use that should be immediately (either anonymously or in person) reported to the student's family or school as:

(1) selling any sort of drugs on or near school property;

(2) using any drug (marijuana, prescription medicines, over-the-counter drug, opioids, or street drugs) multiple times a week;

(3) showing up high or otherwise altered to school;

(4) progressing to the point where you are either smoking opioids or street drugs from a pipe (pre-injection), or through injection (by which point your are an addict).

Already one of my children has told me that they are concerned about one of their classmates, and would like me to help contact the school (I intend to mail an anonymous note to the family). I would ask all families to please have similar conversations with their own children. If you think this cannot or does not occur in your school, you are wrong about that. And if you believe that it is not your business to intervene when a student has started down a risky path with drugs because "you don't want to ruin their lives", well, you are more likely to "ruin their lives" if you do not intervene to help. It has been conclusively demonstrated that early-onset (11-16 years) drug abuse is much more difficult to kick (as opposed to beginning drug use later in life), and that once a teenager has progressed to smoking opioids or street drugs it is certain they will eventually turn to injecting them. And once a person uses injections to get high that habit is mostly impossible to kick.



As with a PP who had a school career, I think the OP is to be commended for thinking this through and talking about it with her/his children. Open communication is a factor in reducing risky behavior.

I think there is a pretty clear line here, however: If you believe a person is a danger to himself/herself or others, bringing the situation to the attention of a responsible party is the right thing to do. We can disagree about what constitutes "danger," but if the information has reached adults, that probably means that some of the kids think it's crossed that threshold.

You need not have ironclad evidence to raise the concern; you're not Scotland Yard. But I agree that you should try hard not to be anonymous, at least with other adults. As an administrator I would file away the information presented to me, but it's very hard to take clear action based on anonymous information. "Somebody, I don't know who, said..." is not a great opening line in a serious conversation with an adolescent. Try to muster the moxie to approach the parent, saying what you do know and admitting what you don't, and acknowledging that you're in an unenviable position. Admitting your own limits would help another parent join you and believe you; that parent will likely feel isolated, defensive, and scared and will need an ally.

I once called a senior's mother late in the school year to have a conversation that went something like this: "I don't have hard evidence, but there is talk that your son is smoking pot so frequently that it's reached me and left me concerned. I'm not going to take any disciplinary action because I have no evidence that it's occurred at school, and I understand that you may hear this as an accusation even though that's not my intention. I asked myself, 'If I were a parent in your position, would I want to know this?' and the answer was yes. So I'm passing along my concern."

Seldom did I have a parent who received a concerned phone call so gratefully.

Good luck.
Peter
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