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[Post New]10/14/2016 17:23
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Anonymous wrote:Why are you a single issue voter on THIS issue, OP? What policy would YOU see us enact on immigration? Do you really think builiding a wall on the entire border with Mexico is actually possible? Do you honestly think we can force Mexico to pay for it? Do you really think a "deportation force" to remove 12 million people is realistic? How would you pay for it?

And lastly, do you not see how single issue voting is a massive abdication of civic responsibility in a complex world where we have many issues and challenges to solve?


Unless you want to empty the populace of honduras and el salvador in the US it has to be realistic.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:24
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Anonymous
vote for hilary for the top of the ticket and vote republican everywhere else. if the house and senate are republican, they won't allow liberalization of immigration. They won't allow a supreme court justice who is strongly pro choice.

there is a solution. you don't have to vote for trump
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:25
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Anonymous
Grow up. Choose the best options. The best is HRC. Not ideal. Not perfection. But the best choice.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:26
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I am a unicorn.

Lifelong Dem. Big Obama supporter. Never liked HRC and voted against her in 08.

Can't stand the Donald. Hate his style, character, lack of self-control etc.

But I am 100 percent with him on illegal immigration. I have almost become a single issue voter.

No one IRL knows I feel this way.

Not sure I could actually vote for him when it comes down to it, but if I did, I would be voting for this one issue. I feel like voting for HRC is a vote for a borderless America.



I wonder, too, what your are looking for when it comes to immigration? Hillary Clinton has always been about compromise and moving forward. It seems like she would look for consensus.

My DH hates the Clintons, but he's in finance, and feels Trump will wreck the economy. He's with her, and getting happier about the decision with each Trump news feed.

[Post New]10/14/2016 17:28
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:vote for hilary for the top of the ticket and vote republican everywhere else. if the house and senate are republican, they won't allow liberalization of immigration. They won't allow a supreme court justice who is strongly pro choice.

there is a solution. you don't have to vote for trump


If the past is anything to go by, they won't allow anything at all. Nothing, nada, zilch.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:31
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I am a unicorn.

Lifelong Dem. Big Obama supporter. Never liked HRC and voted against her in 08.

Can't stand the Donald. Hate his style, character, lack of self-control etc.

But I am 100 percent with him on illegal immigration. I have almost become a single issue voter.

No one IRL knows I feel this way.

Not sure I could actually vote for him when it comes down to it, but if I did, I would be voting for this one issue. I feel like voting for HRC is a vote for a borderless America.



"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.

That's who she really is.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:34
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are you a single issue voter on THIS issue, OP? What policy would YOU see us enact on immigration? Do you really think builiding a wall on the entire border with Mexico is actually possible? Do you honestly think we can force Mexico to pay for it? Do you really think a "deportation force" to remove 12 million people is realistic? How would you pay for it?

And lastly, do you not see how single issue voting is a massive abdication of civic responsibility in a complex world where we have many issues and challenges to solve?


Unless you want to empty the populace of honduras and el salvador in the US it has to be realistic.


Please explain to me HOW it is realistic? I am not looking for your opinion, or hyperbolic emotionally charged rhetoric, I am asking you to explain to me how you can think this can actually be achieved. I'll wait.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:36
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I am a unicorn.

Lifelong Dem. Big Obama supporter. Never liked HRC and voted against her in 08.

Can't stand the Donald. Hate his style, character, lack of self-control etc.

But I am 100 percent with him on illegal immigration. I have almost become a single issue voter.

No one IRL knows I feel this way.

Not sure I could actually vote for him when it comes down to it, but if I did, I would be voting for this one issue. I feel like voting for HRC is a vote for a borderless America.



"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.

That's who she really is.

Idealistic. That was the dream of the EU, too. Which has had mixed results, but isn't a crazy notion.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:37
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takoma
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I am a unicorn.

Lifelong Dem. Big Obama supporter. Never liked HRC and voted against her in 08.

Can't stand the Donald. Hate his style, character, lack of self-control etc.

But I am 100 percent with him on illegal immigration. I have almost become a single issue voter.

No one IRL knows I feel this way.

Not sure I could actually vote for him when it comes down to it, but if I did, I would be voting for this one issue. I feel like voting for HRC is a vote for a borderless America.



"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.

That's who she really is.

Yep, she's someone with dreams, who is realistic enough to realize that they won't happen tomorrow.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:39
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why are you a single issue voter on THIS issue, OP? What policy would YOU see us enact on immigration? Do you really think builiding a wall on the entire border with Mexico is actually possible? Do you honestly think we can force Mexico to pay for it? Do you really think a "deportation force" to remove 12 million people is realistic? How would you pay for it?

And lastly, do you not see how single issue voting is a massive abdication of civic responsibility in a complex world where we have many issues and challenges to solve?


Bueller? Where are you OP? You wanted civilized discourse. I'm asking nicely, because I'm honestly curious.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:55
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why are you a single issue voter on THIS issue, OP? What policy would YOU see us enact on immigration? Do you really think builiding a wall on the entire border with Mexico is actually possible? Do you honestly think we can force Mexico to pay for it? Do you really think a "deportation force" to remove 12 million people is realistic? How would you pay for it?

And lastly, do you not see how single issue voting is a massive abdication of civic responsibility in a complex world where we have many issues and challenges to solve?


I don't think we should build a wall.

I don't believe in deporting millions of people.

But I think a country needs to enforce the laws on the books, and if we as a society don't like them, we should change them, not ignore/flaunt them. I also think illegal/unskilled workers are hurting our own unskilled labor force in both rural areas and the inner cities.

I DO see how single issue voting is an abdication, so that is why I am not rah-rah Trump. I find him abhorrent. But I feel our leaders have completely turned their backs on us re: this issue. Dems, b/c they want the votes, and Reps b/c they want cheap labor.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:57
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is nothing nice to say to you.


Actually there are a lot of nice things to say about me. I am a wonderful wife, mother, daughter, friend and employee. I am a good neighbor. I volunteer to make my community better. I obey all laws and I participate in civil discourse.


Sure, off the Internet you're probably great. But being undecided on this election? It's indefensible. Especially on an issue that you seem have fallen down the right wing disinformation hole on.


That's not fair. The right wing has been using illegal immigrants as a source of cheap labor. So I don't agree this is a right-wing issue at all.
[Post New]10/14/2016 17:58
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:vote for hilary for the top of the ticket and vote republican everywhere else. if the house and senate are republican, they won't allow liberalization of immigration. They won't allow a supreme court justice who is strongly pro choice.

there is a solution. you don't have to vote for trump


OP here, but I am pro-choice. I don't want the country to become more conservative in general, only immigration enforcement/laws.
[Post New]10/14/2016 18:01
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:vote for hilary for the top of the ticket and vote republican everywhere else. if the house and senate are republican, they won't allow liberalization of immigration. They won't allow a supreme court justice who is strongly pro choice.

there is a solution. you don't have to vote for trump


OP here, but I am pro-choice. I don't want the country to become more conservative in general, only immigration enforcement/laws.


Then get active locally.
[Post New]10/14/2016 18:13
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I am a unicorn.

Lifelong Dem. Big Obama supporter. Never liked HRC and voted against her in 08.

Can't stand the Donald. Hate his style, character, lack of self-control etc.

But I am 100 percent with him on illegal immigration. I have almost become a single issue voter.

No one IRL knows I feel this way.

Not sure I could actually vote for him when it comes down to it, but if I did, I would be voting for this one issue. I feel like voting for HRC is a vote for a borderless America.



I really don't comprehend people who say they are undecided. I am about as far left as you can get, and I would vote for Antonin Scalia over a Democrat who was as ignorant and arrogant as Donald Trump. Saying you are with him on any issue is nonsense because he does not have any coherent position on any issue.

He's exactly like the loud drunk, aggressive parent at the youth sports game who doesn't even know the rules of the game but is sure that he could do a better job than the refs and the coaches. At the debate, he scoffed at the military leadership and asked "why do we announce in advance that we are going to attack?" (an an answer to a question about Syria as he was discussing a city in Iraq). Does he honestly think US generals JUST NEVER THOUGHT OF A SURPRISE ATTACK? Like that's some new idea that he discovered? His contempt for our armed forces is mind boggling. Likewise with his announcement early on that he would kill and torture the families of Jihadists. He then had to walk that back because people who actually know stuff informed him that our soldiers won't commit war crimes just because he says so.

On immigration, you do know that:

1. More Mexicans (who are 52% if undocumented immigrants) are leaving the US than entering, right and have been for a couple of years now? So a wall would actually increase the number of undocumented immigrants?
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

2. Economist have repeatedly concluded that undocumented immigrants pay more in taxes (sales, payroll, etc.) than they use in services, resulting in a net plus to the US government? The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2013 undocumented immigrants—and their employers—paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. Immigrants can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but they cannot get welfare or food stamps.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/


Sorry, but if you are a single issue Trump voter on immigration, then you are an idiot.


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