Widespread voter fraud in VA
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FruminousBandersnatch
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You're attempting to conflate registration fraud with the in-person voter fraud all of these voter ID laws are supposed to prevent.
There has been almost zero evidence of in person voter fraud (for example, in Texas over 8 years and something like 40,000,000 votes cast, they found one instance where some poor kid went to vote and ended up voting in his deceased fathers name because the father hadn't been removed from the rolls and they had the same name). Voter ID laws have had a bad couple of months, as they keep getting blocked by courts for being discriminatory (just as their authors intended them to be). Non-citizens are not eligible to vote, and most (if not all) registration forms explicitly ask if the person filling out the form is a citizen. Yes, they could lie. Then what's next is a security cost/benefit analysis. Is the harm being or potentially being caused sufficient that additional security measures are necessary, and is the risk/harm reduction provided by such security measures worth the cost of/burden imposed by such security measures. |
Anonymous
+ 1 Hard to believe any honest person is opposed to requiring an ID to vote. All it does is assure that you are who you say you are, and not a fraud or otherwise ineligible to vote. In fact, you don't even have to prove you're a citizen when you register - you just need to claim you are. But noooooo....anyone who objects to this loose system is a racist! |
Anonymous
You're silly. Illegals need the right to vote because the Democrats need them. They promise them free stuff you know.. |
Anonymous
I might believe in this if Republicans agreed to open *FREE* ID offices instead of closing the ID-issuing offices (as was the case in Alabama) or set up a hotline whereby ANY voter can go get the necessary ID card(s) to satisfy voter ID laws. Another example -- concealed carry is OK in Texas for voter ID but not college ID? Give me a freaking break. Oh yeah, and stop trying to mess with early voting. Expand it instead. If Republicans made it easier get the required ID instead and then actually vote, instead of harder, I might believe that this slate of voter ID laws aren't designed make it just a little bit harder for Democratic-leaning constituencies to vote. |
Anonymous
| (oh and the hotline I propose would be to give a FREE cab or other ride for ANY voter to acquire the necessary ID and to then finish the job of registering to vote.) |
Anonymous
This is an easy explanation - Illegal immigrants have college IDs since they are allowed to attend college in the US. They cannot have a concealed carry permit. And, most states that require ID do indeed have a way for folks to get free IDs. |
Anonymous
Ever hear of a foreign student? Concealed carry laws are much tighter than foreign student requirements. It's not supposed to be easy to vote in the US. You should have to prove you are eligible. And frankly? Given the amount of illegal aliens in this country, voting law SHOULD be tighter, NOT easier. |
Anonymous
Just posted the same thing. Logic is not a strong suit of liberals. |
Anonymous
| a college ID doesn't confirm RESIDENCY, only that you're enrolled in a college. |
Anonymous
Actually a report card or transcript from a Texas school is a valid proof of residence for the purpose of getting a Texas driver's license. So it seems like college identification should be accepted. |
Anonymous
Correct me if I am wrong..... A driver’s license is a state document. Can’t you get a TX driver’s license at any DMV in the state of TX? Voter registration is local. You register in the locality in which you live. A TX driver’s license only demonstrates that you live in TX - somewhere. It does not confirm that you reside in a specific city/town/county for the purposes of voting. |
Anonymous
Damn what kinda driver's licenses they got in Texas that don't confirm your residency? |
Anonymous
It may have changed, but when I lived in Texas, a driver's license was sufficient for voting. The same is true now in Virginia. As for the widespread voter registration fraud in the OP, the report is about all of the people identified as noncitizens and removed from the list. Whatever citizenship verification is in place seems to be working. |
Anonymous
| It happened to work because they checked it with other records where the person said they weren't a citizen. If they had answered the question about citizenship differently they wouldn't of found them. |
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Meh. More efforts to manufacture outrage from the rightwing outrage machine. The group has close ties with the conservative firm which represented Citizens United
And this doesn't seem to be all that concerned with diluting voting rights. |