Supreme Court revisits Texas affirmative action in new case

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[Post New]12/29/2015 15:36
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Anonymous wrote:Graduated from Stanford in the late 80s. 39% of our class was URM, so yes, there are starting to be lots of legacies.


FWIW - today, Stanford is 42.5% white, 22.9% asian and 7.8% black, 6.5% mexican/chicano and 6.1% other hispanic (interesting they distinguish).


I would be curious of what % of the "white" is jewish vs. gentile.


50-60% of the white would be Jewish for Stanford and Ivies.


Very funny, lady. Try again.


Perhaps 60% to 70% of white students.


I am not sure if you are one of those conspiracy theorists seeing Jewish folks behind everything, but I can tell you from direct experience at Stanford that no more than 15-20% of white folks there are Jewish.


On April 17, 1967, the result of a survey published by the New York Times stated that about 40% of student at Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania were Jewish. At Yale, Harvard and Cornell the Jewish students were between 20 and 25%, while between 13 and 20% students at Dartmouth, Princeton and Brown were believed to be Jewish.

Mind you, the Jewish population of the United States is less than 2%.

The Toronto-born Islamophobe Jewish writer, author and former speechwriter for Dubya Bush, David Frum, admitted in an article published in pro-Israel Jewish magazine The Beast on February 13, 2013 that Jewish students are overrepresented in the Ivy League institutions.

Hillel, a leading pro-Israel international Jewish campus advocacy group’s 2009 data indicated that Jewish students at Harvard, Brown, Columbia and Penn made up 25 percent of respective undergraduate populations, and at Yale and Cornell, the number was 22 percent. The lowest Jewish enrolement was found at Princeton (13%) and Dartmouth (11 %). Rabbi Julie Roth, the executive director of the Center for Jewish Life (CJL) has been leading a campaign to see the percentage jump to 20% at Princeton and Dartmouth.


And cows love to eat grass...but somehow this is not that relevant data to previous claims about Stanford
[Post New]02/13/2016 19:35
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Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.
[Post New]02/13/2016 20:33
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.

No it didn't. This case will not be resolved until the next President is. elected. Mitch McConnell has made it clear that Obama will not be able to appoint Scalias replacement. The next Presudent will either be Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. Affirmative Action will die!
[Post New]02/14/2016 08:40
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.

No it didn't. This case will not be resolved until the next President is. elected. Mitch McConnell has made it clear that Obama will not be able to appoint Scalias replacement. The next Presudent will either be Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. Affirmative Action will die!
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[Post New]02/14/2016 08:42
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


How so? Weren't arguments heard and isn't Kagan recused? But please correct me--I have no idea.
[Post New]02/14/2016 09:27
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


How so? Weren't arguments heard and isn't Kagan recused? But please correct me--I have no idea.


It could be rearguard. Does a dead Justice's vote count?
[Post New]02/14/2016 14:07
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


I will vote Democratic in November, but I agree it is time for race-based affirmative action to fall. I have no issue with SES-based affirmative action, which will benefit a lot minority kids anyway. But preferences based on race alone are constitutionally problematic and need to go. As President Obama has said, kids like his don't need affirmative action.
[Post New]02/14/2016 14:11
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Anonymous wrote:Again I call bs. I know many legacies not accepted from minority groups. Again with the fantasies of blacks having it so easy.


I am AA and know all of ONE person whose father attended an ivy. One. How many have you actually met? 5?


Nearly 30 years out from an Ivy League university and know a number of AA classmates with legacy kids there. If you're a URM and a legacy you can practically phone in your application. And if you play a sport on top of all that, they'll practically offer you admission without asking.
[Post New]02/14/2016 14:18
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Anonymous wrote:Again I call bs. I know many legacies not accepted from minority groups. Again with the fantasies of blacks having it so easy.


I am AA and know all of ONE person whose father attended an ivy. One. How many have you actually met? 5?


Nearly 30 years out from an Ivy League university and know a number of AA classmates with legacy kids there. If you're a URM and a legacy you can practically phone in your application. And if you play a sport on top of all that, they'll practically offer you admission without asking.[/quote]Total bullshit. Totally.
[Post New]02/14/2016 14:23
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


I will vote Democratic in November, but I agree it is time for race-based affirmative action to fall. I have no issue with SES-based affirmative action, which will benefit a lot minority kids anyway. But preferences based on race alone are constitutionally problematic and need to go. As President Obama has said, kids like his don't need affirmative action.
Would you deny the white farm kid in Iowa who milked the cows and fed the chickens before school, president of 4-H, and made straight A grades an opportunity? He deserves a shot.
[Post New]02/14/2016 16:39
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


I will vote Democratic in November, but I agree it is time for race-based affirmative action to fall. I have no issue with SES-based affirmative action, which will benefit a lot minority kids anyway. But preferences based on race alone are constitutionally problematic and need to go. As President Obama has said, kids like his don't need affirmative action.


Since the children of poor whites score the same as the children of affluent blacks on the SAT, moving away from race based affirmative action to SES based affirmative action will significantly reduce the number of minority students in colleges.
[Post New]02/14/2016 19:22
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


I will vote Democratic in November, but I agree it is time for race-based affirmative action to fall. I have no issue with SES-based affirmative action, which will benefit a lot minority kids anyway. But preferences based on race alone are constitutionally problematic and need to go. As President Obama has said, kids like his don't need affirmative action.


Since the children of poor whites score the same as the children of affluent blacks on the SAT, moving away from race based affirmative action to SES based affirmative action will significantly reduce the number of minority students in colleges.
Could you provide a link or the source that poor whites score the same as affluent blacks? I can only surmise your source opines that affluent blacks send their children to substandard schools resulting in poor test scores.
[Post New]02/14/2016 19:47
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


I will vote Democratic in November, but I agree it is time for race-based affirmative action to fall. I have no issue with SES-based affirmative action, which will benefit a lot minority kids anyway. But preferences based on race alone are constitutionally problematic and need to go. As President Obama has said, kids like his don't need affirmative action.


Since the children of poor whites score the same as the children of affluent blacks on the SAT, moving away from race based affirmative action to SES based affirmative action will significantly reduce the number of minority students in colleges.
Could you provide a link or the source that poor whites score the same as affluent blacks? I can only surmise your source opines that affluent blacks send their children to substandard schools resulting in poor test scores.


Sure: http://www.jbhe.com/latest/index012209_p.html

Scroll down the page where it talks about family income differences. It's using 2008 college board numbers.

From the article: "But income differences explain only part of the racial gap in SAT scores. For black and white students from families with incomes of more than $200,000 in 2008, there still remains a huge 149-point gap in SAT scores. Even more startling is the fact that in 2008 black students from families with incomes of more than $200,000 scored lower on the SAT test than did students from white families with incomes between $20,000 and $40,000. "

Like I said before, if you go to SES based affirmative action it will significantly reduce the number of minorities in selective colleges?
[Post New]02/14/2016 19:55
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


How so? Weren't arguments heard and isn't Kagan recused? But please correct me--I have no idea.


It could be rearguard. Does a dead Justice's vote count?


No--why would it count? The vote will be 4-3 one way or the other. Again, Justice Kagan is recused.
[Post New]02/14/2016 19:56
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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today.


I will vote Democratic in November, but I agree it is time for race-based affirmative action to fall. I have no issue with SES-based affirmative action, which will benefit a lot minority kids anyway. But preferences based on race alone are constitutionally problematic and need to go. As President Obama has said, kids like his don't need affirmative action.


Since the children of poor whites score the same as the children of affluent blacks on the SAT, moving away from race based affirmative action to SES based affirmative action will significantly reduce the number of minority students in colleges.


I have really mixed feelings on this.

I know anecdotal experience does not count for much, but I went to an elite college (Duke) and from what I saw, the black students on campus, almost across the board, were extremely affluent and savvy. The ones who were not did not do as well, because they went to less elite high schools that simply did not prepare them as much. They were in the same boat as white students from rural, poor areas, like myself, who were also not as savvy and prepared and consequently did not do as well either. I often found myself wondering, what advantage is it going to an elite school if you are not prepared? At the same time, my college's name did give me a lot of opportunities after, but I just never felt that I lived up to my potential, because it seemed like I started out so far behind to begin with. Does that make sense?

I guess my feelings are that affirmative action needs to start way before college. Low-minority and low-ses kids need high quality educational opportunities BEFORE college. Affirmative action is a band-aid, and it is increasingly inadequate and protested by people who sense a lack of fairness in the whole system.
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