Anonymous wrote:Riots and looting are a great American pastime of the poor and disenfranchised...just like burning couches in the street after a big college sports win is an American thing.

Jihad isn't American. It just isn't.

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Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

Except the ranks of ISIS are apparently full of young Muslims from the Western countries where you cannot possibly say they lacked opportunity for advancement.

Read about ISIS history, how it started and what they are fighting for. They are able radicalize young western people, some of whom have identity crisis, just like young Americans join gangs, do drugs, get drugs, you will find some young Muslims joining these groups because they give them a sense of identity and belonging. Radicalization is an individualized process so I can't paint them all with the same brush, but most of them are young men and women looking to belong to a group/movement that gives them a purpose. There are many underlying reasons, and this is just one of them .

Then there is no reason to say that terrorist groups attract only the poor, the dispossessed and the uneducated.

I did not say that

then what exactly did you mean with your douglass quote?

Anonymous wrote:Riots and looting are a great American pastime of the poor and disenfranchised...just like burning couches in the street after a big college sports win is an American thing.

Jihad isn't American. It just isn't.

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jsteele wrote:Piers Morgan is an idiot. I would like to think that, regardless of all our other differences, we could al agree on that. Morgan has no right to tell someone what their religion is or is not. Individuals get to identify their own religions. The vast majority of people who consider themselves Muslims don't practice or believe in the horrific practices of IS. Many members of that vast majority have already made statement disassociating Islam as they practice it from IS's version.

However, there is a critical problem of defining whether IS are "real Muslims". The roots of the Islam practiced by IS and by al-Qaidia are the same roots of the official Islam of Saudi Arabia. Were Saudi Arabia take steps to delegitimize IS, it would undermine its own religious authenticity. The US is apparently in no position to rock the boat with the Saudis. Ironically, Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood could have been a useful opponent to IS and al-Qaida. But, due to the US-supported coup in Egypt, those guys are all dead, arrested, or in hiding.

Don't forget that the Saudis are one of the biggest violators of human rights and one of the biggest facilitators of human rights atrocities.

Anonymous wrote:There are dozens of examples now circulating of major Muslim organizations and leaders condemning and denouncing the Charlie Hebdo attackers, to include CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Arab League, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA, Muslim Council of Britain, French Muslim Council (CFCM), Union of Islamic Organizations of France (UOIF), Dalil Boubakeur, imam at the mosque of Paris, Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris’s Seine-Saint-Denis suburb, The Islamic Cooperation Organization (ICO), The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM), Canadian Council of Imams, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Canada, Muslim Canadian Congress, Al-Azhar, Saudi Arabian Government, Qatar Foreign Ministry, United Arab Emirates Foreign Ministry, Malaysia's Prime Minister, Morocco's King Mohammed, Indonesia's Foreign Ministry, Egypt Foreign Ministry, Turkey Foreign Ministry, Lebanon Foreign Ministry, Iran Foreign Ministry, even Hezbollah and Hamas have denounced the Paris attackers. Yet what we continue to hear from FOX News and idiots like Piers Morgan are "why aren't any Muslims stepping up to denouce this?"

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Mormons are not Christian.

They believe Jesus was the son of God and in his resurrection. Why are the not Christian?

Mainstream religions think if them as a cult. The religion is not very old and was an American religion. So many Mormons left a mainstream religion to join the Mormon church, add in the isolation (both self and from outside) of the early Mormon society, the strong personality and strange leadership in the early days and people think cult. Also Mormons are a growing, actively recruiting religion. This threaten many mainstream religions which are not growing. Remember the religion is so young that we have contemporary third party accounts of the history of the church preserved. So one can read the accounts in the Book of Mormon and read contemporary sources(news paper, court records etc) in English that give a different perspective on the same account. Think of having court records, newspaper articles, county, state, and federal records in English of the Jesus and how Christianity would look like. Read "Under the Banner of Heaven".

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Anonymous wrote:Riots and looting are a great American pastime of the poor and disenfranchised...just like burning couches in the street after a big college sports win is an American thing.

Jihad isn't American. It just isn't.

Yeh? That's why there is an American who just got arrested for plotting an attack on the U.S Capitol.....

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a big can of Piers, but I think he and Rushdie have a good point that the violence won't end unless/until the Muslim world puts an end to it. Christians and Jews (and atheists and wiccans) can't fix the problem. Your point about Saudi Arabia is a prime example of what needs to be done: Muslim and Arab nations stepping up to fix the problem in their own countries...at least as a starting point.

And I'm sorry the terrorists and extremists don't seem to understand that the rest of the world really isn't interested in what they do in their own countries. In fact, we seem to have a high tolerance for human rights violations (heck, we even tolerate mass kidnapping, rape and slaughtering...sometimes even genicude)...as long as they keep it in their own countries. But when they prompt terrorists to attack abroad, they are actively provoking a response. If they really wanted to enforce laws more appropriate for the Middle Ages, no one would care...unless/until it affected the rest of the world.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff. We don't decide other people's religions. This is just like those who say Mormons aren't Christian. In reality Mormons say they are Christian therefore they are Christian. Or the way Orthodox Jews refer to themselves as religious, basically implying that Reform, Conservative Jews are not doing it right.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff. We don't decide other people's religions. This is just like those who say Mormons aren't Christian. In reality Mormons say they are Christian therefore they are Christian. Or the way Orthodox Jews refer to themselves as religious, basically implying that Reform, Conservative Jews are not doing it right.

I say I'm the Queen of England, therefore I'm the Queen of England. I like how this works.