FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder--JP Morgan just had a bunch of information hacked, including client account information. If Lawrence had her account hacked, would people be blaming her for having an online account? Do people really think that we shouldn't expect any level of privacy online? That we have no right to complain when personal information of whatever sort is stolen?

And I agree with Lawrence--the people looking at the nude pictures aren't physically assaulting her, but they are complicit in a crime.

Yes, you have no privacy online, don't upload your nudes. If you have a higher level of security like a bank maybe you will fair better. Have you noticed the ads on DCUM utilize tracking.

Yeah, you're not making any sense. There is no difference here between having a private online photo account and having an online bank account.

Storing pics in a private account isn't the same as saying "sure, entire world, go ahead and look at my naked body" any more than having a JP Morgan account is saying "sure, entire world, go ahead and have some of my money." It's a sex crime, and the people viewing those pics are gross, disgusting asshats.

Clearly you did not read the terms of service reguard a cloud account with Apple Inc.

Yeah. Me and 99.99% of the iPhone-using population. That still doesn't make it ok to steal my stuff.

Heres what you agreed to :
"APPLE DOES NOT REPRESENT OR GUARANTEE THAT THE SERVICE WILL BE FREE FROM LOSS, CORRUPTION, ATTACK, VIRUSES, INTERFERENCE, HACKING, OR OTHER SECURITY INTRUSION, AND APPLE DISCLAIMS ANY LIABILITY RELATING THERETO."
If you don't like the terms don't use the service.
I use an iphone and dont use their cloud service. I have a private cloud in my home.

Your bank doesn't represent or guarantee that they won't get robbed, either. Guess if you don't want to take that risk you should keep your money under your mattress. Like Apple and every other online service, they agree to use reasonable efforts to perform the services you've purchased, and they agree that they are liable if they commit gross negligence or willful misconduct.

Your private cloud is less of a target than iCloud because it's a lower value target and the return for hacking it is lower. But odds are it's less secure than most online services that have teams of security experts and who conduct penetration tests, etc., etc., just like your house is less secure than your bank, but also a less rewarding target.

And if you feel that confident about your configuration of your private cloud, you might want to take a look at this - http://www.kaspersky.com/about/news/virus/2014/hacking-a-living-room

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Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

You are not holding women responsible for their own decisions. You are holding them responsible for the illegal and immoral actions of other people. Without some nasty asshole douchebag deciding to steal those pics, those pics stay private, as they should've, regardless of where she kept them, as long as she didn't publicly display them.

Thats right, I do not police others moral values. I do not see any expectation of privacy within the cloud service. Wanting privacy just doesn't make it so.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything she said in the article and agree that it's a violation. But it does leave a bad taste in my mouth that the article was published in a magazine that features a picture of her topless on the cover.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything she said in the article and agree that it's a violation. But it does leave a bad taste in my mouth that the article was published in a magazine that features a picture of her topless on the cover.

FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

So by your logic a woman who wears some sexy underwear or goes commando because it turns her on or she's doing it for her lover who gets upskirted is guilty because there has been lots of publicity about creeps who take upskirt pictures and post them on the net.

And a woman who gets on a crowded subway and gets groped is responsible because we all know that happens on subways and she put herself in a position where it could happen.

And a woman who walks past a construction site is responsible for the catcalls she receives because we all know about the stereotype of construction workers who do that.

Etc., etc.

Where on that slippery slope would you propose that we stop and accept that the woman is not at fault?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

You are not holding women responsible for their own decisions. You are holding them responsible for the illegal and immoral actions of other people. Without some nasty asshole douchebag deciding to steal those pics, those pics stay private, as they should've, regardless of where she kept them, as long as she didn't publicly display them.

Thats right, I do not police others moral values. I do not see any expectation of privacy within the cloud service. Wanting privacy just doesn't make it so.

Really? Because you seem to have no problem calling these women "stupid."

And even today, Apple bills iCloud as secure. In fact, it states "Apple takes data security and the privacy of your personal information very seriously. iCloud is built with industry-standard security practices and employs strict policies to protect your data." It is completely reasonable to expect that her pics would remain private.

Your arguments are completely hypocritical and illogical. You claim that these women were dumb for expecting privacy in iCloud, but see no problem expecting your money to be private in an online banking account, which makes the same representations regarding privacy as iCloud does. You claim that the women are stupid and deserve what happened to them, but won't police the moral values of those who stole their private information and people who took advantage of that theft to gawk at their naked bodies without their consent. You claim to be above such foolish decisions because you take the security of your online data seriously, and then store it in a personal cloud that is significantly less secure.

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions and what they say about how you view women and their sexuality.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

You are not holding women responsible for their own decisions. You are holding them responsible for the illegal and immoral actions of other people. Without some nasty asshole douchebag deciding to steal those pics, those pics stay private, as they should've, regardless of where she kept them, as long as she didn't publicly display them.

Thats right, I do not police others moral values. I do not see any expectation of privacy within the cloud service. Wanting privacy just doesn't make it so.

Really? Because you seem to have no problem calling these women "stupid."

And even today, Apple bills iCloud as secure. In fact, it states "Apple takes data security and the privacy of your personal information very seriously. iCloud is built with industry-standard security practices and employs strict policies to protect your data." It is completely reasonable to expect that her pics would remain private.

Your arguments are completely hypocritical and illogical. You claim that these women were dumb for expecting privacy in iCloud, but see no problem expecting your money to be private in an online banking account, which makes the same representations regarding privacy as iCloud does. You claim that the women are stupid and deserve what happened to them, but won't police the moral values of those who stole their private information and people who took advantage of that theft to gawk at their naked bodies without their consent. You claim to be above such foolish decisions because you take the security of your online data seriously, and then store it in a personal cloud that is significantly less secure.

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions and what they say about how you view women and their sexuality.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

You are not holding women responsible for their own decisions. You are holding them responsible for the illegal and immoral actions of other people. Without some nasty asshole douchebag deciding to steal those pics, those pics stay private, as they should've, regardless of where she kept them, as long as she didn't publicly display them.

Thats right, I do not police others moral values. I do not see any expectation of privacy within the cloud service. Wanting privacy just doesn't make it so.

Really? Because you seem to have no problem calling these women "stupid."

And even today, Apple bills iCloud as secure. In fact, it states "Apple takes data security and the privacy of your personal information very seriously. iCloud is built with industry-standard security practices and employs strict policies to protect your data." It is completely reasonable to expect that her pics would remain private.

Your arguments are completely hypocritical and illogical. You claim that these women were dumb for expecting privacy in iCloud, but see no problem expecting your money to be private in an online banking account, which makes the same representations regarding privacy as iCloud does. You claim that the women are stupid and deserve what happened to them, but won't police the moral values of those who stole their private information and people who took advantage of that theft to gawk at their naked bodies without their consent. You claim to be above such foolish decisions because you take the security of your online data seriously, and then store it in a personal cloud that is significantly less secure.

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions and what they say about how you view women and their sexuality.

So, you think it is criminal to share private conversations like the ones between Donald Sterling and his girlfriend?

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions. You can't have it both ways.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

You are not holding women responsible for their own decisions. You are holding them responsible for the illegal and immoral actions of other people. Without some nasty asshole douchebag deciding to steal those pics, those pics stay private, as they should've, regardless of where she kept them, as long as she didn't publicly display them.

Thats right, I do not police others moral values. I do not see any expectation of privacy within the cloud service. Wanting privacy just doesn't make it so.

Really? Because you seem to have no problem calling these women "stupid."

And even today, Apple bills iCloud as secure. In fact, it states "Apple takes data security and the privacy of your personal information very seriously. iCloud is built with industry-standard security practices and employs strict policies to protect your data." It is completely reasonable to expect that her pics would remain private.

Your arguments are completely hypocritical and illogical. You claim that these women were dumb for expecting privacy in iCloud, but see no problem expecting your money to be private in an online banking account, which makes the same representations regarding privacy as iCloud does. You claim that the women are stupid and deserve what happened to them, but won't police the moral values of those who stole their private information and people who took advantage of that theft to gawk at their naked bodies without their consent. You claim to be above such foolish decisions because you take the security of your online data seriously, and then store it in a personal cloud that is significantly less secure.

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions and what they say about how you view women and their sexuality.

Who said anything about woman being dumb and deserving what happened to them. This is the first I read of that. Im sitting down too and thinking I need to take a hard took at the internet/cloud and control the content since it can be hacked. Or not use it.

You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

You are not holding women responsible for their own decisions. You are holding them responsible for the illegal and immoral actions of other people. Without some nasty asshole douchebag deciding to steal those pics, those pics stay private, as they should've, regardless of where she kept them, as long as she didn't publicly display them.

Thats right, I do not police others moral values. I do not see any expectation of privacy within the cloud service. Wanting privacy just doesn't make it so.

Really? Because you seem to have no problem calling these women "stupid."

And even today, Apple bills iCloud as secure. In fact, it states "Apple takes data security and the privacy of your personal information very seriously. iCloud is built with industry-standard security practices and employs strict policies to protect your data." It is completely reasonable to expect that her pics would remain private.

Your arguments are completely hypocritical and illogical. You claim that these women were dumb for expecting privacy in iCloud, but see no problem expecting your money to be private in an online banking account, which makes the same representations regarding privacy as iCloud does. You claim that the women are stupid and deserve what happened to them, but won't police the moral values of those who stole their private information and people who took advantage of that theft to gawk at their naked bodies without their consent. You claim to be above such foolish decisions because you take the security of your online data seriously, and then store it in a personal cloud that is significantly less secure.

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions and what they say about how you view women and their sexuality.

So, you think it is criminal to share private conversations like the ones between Donald Sterling and his girlfriend?

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions. You can't have it both ways.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The victim blaming on here is astounding and disgusting, and yet one more example of a culture that seeks to shame women for being sexual beings, while at the same time feeling entitled to their bodies at all times.

- She doesn't need to apologize or explain why she took nude photos.
- The fact she took nudes for someone else doesn't entitle you to view them. Knowing that they were stolen, if you CHOOSE to seek them out, you are complicit.
- She doesn't need to justify not being super tech savvy or unable to keep them out of the cloud. Or perhaps they were hacked from her phone or computer. It doesn't matter. They were stolen.
- By the logic presented here, anyone who utilizes online banking or any form of online credit transaction deserves to have their account information stolen, disseminates, and repeatedly reposted. It is your fault if you are victimized and you should no better.

Women have a right to their own sexualiity. They have a right to choose when and with whom they want to share it.

Fuck all you shamers and apologists. Seriously. Fuck you.

Right on. I think there are a few pervs on this thread who did indeed look at the stolen nudes and don't like being told they are gross human beings.

I don't like women not being responsible for their own decisions. Im a woman and thats how I see it.
You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter, the Apple service agreement even warns about it.

You are not holding women responsible for their own decisions. You are holding them responsible for the illegal and immoral actions of other people. Without some nasty asshole douchebag deciding to steal those pics, those pics stay private, as they should've, regardless of where she kept them, as long as she didn't publicly display them.

Thats right, I do not police others moral values. I do not see any expectation of privacy within the cloud service. Wanting privacy just doesn't make it so.

Really? Because you seem to have no problem calling these women "stupid."

And even today, Apple bills iCloud as secure. In fact, it states "Apple takes data security and the privacy of your personal information very seriously. iCloud is built with industry-standard security practices and employs strict policies to protect your data." It is completely reasonable to expect that her pics would remain private.

Your arguments are completely hypocritical and illogical. You claim that these women were dumb for expecting privacy in iCloud, but see no problem expecting your money to be private in an online banking account, which makes the same representations regarding privacy as iCloud does. You claim that the women are stupid and deserve what happened to them, but won't police the moral values of those who stole their private information and people who took advantage of that theft to gawk at their naked bodies without their consent. You claim to be above such foolish decisions because you take the security of your online data seriously, and then store it in a personal cloud that is significantly less secure.

Do yourself a favor. Sit down and really think about why you are holding these positions and what they say about how you view women and their sexuality.

Who said anything about woman being dumb and deserving what happened to them. This is the first I read of that. Im sitting down too and thinking I need to take a hard took at the internet/cloud and control the content since it can be hacked. Or not use it.

Then you should reread the thread to which you are responding:

You are stupid if you don't know by now that material on phones and in clouds can be hacked. She has responsibility for her actions in this matter