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Using a different word for God when speaking in English implies a different god. I don't know who is doing this encouraging, but it is a very negative development. This is quite different from saying Salaam for peace because salaam does not imply a different peace.

Dropping in a phrase in Arabic using Allah when speaking English is fine: Inshallah is a particularly useful one. This is like using a Latin phrase that has gained currency in English like "carpe diem."

Surely you see the irony that the only non-Muslim westerners who refer to the God Muslims worship as Allah are virulently anti-Islamic and seek to distance Islam from their own religion by implying the god Muslims worship is not the god Christians and Jews worship and implying Muslims are not monotheistic as they are. When Muslims, speaking in English, use Allah they are similarly implying their god is not God, the monotheistic entity widely worshipped by English speaking people. And they are encouraging the Islamaphobes by adopting their practice of using Allah instead of God.

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Nasty Little Muslim here. I am the one who is cautious about calling all hadith authentic, not Muslima.
If you're going to take me down, how come I'm still standing here?

Anonymous wrote: If you are too cowardly to have an identity on DCUM, then you need to expect we may confuse one islamophobe with the other two.

Anonymous wrote: I don't know which sura/verse Muslima quoted but if its the one about a woman declaring her oath of allegiance to the Prophet, that is often used in support of the fact that Islam granted women political choices and their opinion counted. It may not show "voting" rights per se, but it shows women were granted the right to align themselves with whatever ruler they wanted. This verse shows they were politically relevant.

The sura I mentioned, ash shura, provides clear evidence that women had voting rights and the right of their opinion to be heard in all matters requiring a collective opinion. The Quranic language that addresses is plural, rather than female or only male. It means Allah is talking to everyone here. Given that Allah clearly had no issue delineating different rights between men and women, the reader would know that here, in this verse, Allah is including women.

Anonymous wrote:So its time to apologize to Muslima. Seems pretty clear. Islam did give voting rights to women.

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Post a pic of your last pap smear lab results showing your STD (HPV seems to be popular in western states) and maybe we Muslims will feel sorry for you too.

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Nasty Little Muslim here. I am the one who is cautious about calling all hadith authentic, not Muslima.
If you're going to take me down, how come I'm still standing here?

Not the PP you're addressing, but once again, that bigoted appellation is your own invention. Nobody else called you that.

Anonymous wrote: If you are too cowardly to have an identity on DCUM, then you need to expect we may confuse one islamophobe with the other two.

You don't have a DCUM identity either....

Anonymous wrote: I don't know which sura/verse Muslima quoted but if its the one about a woman declaring her oath of allegiance to the Prophet, that is often used in support of the fact that Islam granted women political choices and their opinion counted. It may not show "voting" rights per se, but it shows women were granted the right to align themselves with whatever ruler they wanted. This verse shows they were politically relevant.

The sura I mentioned, ash shura, provides clear evidence that women had voting rights and the right of their opinion to be heard in all matters requiring a collective opinion. The Quranic language that addresses is plural, rather than female or only male. It means Allah is talking to everyone here. Given that Allah clearly had no issue delineating different rights between men and women, the reader would know that here, in this verse, Allah is including women.

You've been asked multiple times to cut and paste ithe ash shura passage here. Why have you still not done so?

Anonymous wrote:So its time to apologize to Muslima. Seems pretty clear. Islam did give voting rights to women.

Nothing is clear until you provided evidence. That's how it works. Repeating a proposition over and over doesn't make it true.

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I'm just an ignorant, barefoot, veiled Muslim gal. Can you explain to me what it means to be a very American woman? Does it mean she's wearing a baseball cap, her boyfriend's boxers, a nose ring, a few tattoos, and eating apple pie? ??

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Anonymous wrote:I can tell who are the true Islamaphobes on this thread.

They are the ones who refer to the God Muslims worship as Allah when writing in English. Allsh is simply the Arabic word for God. Christian Arabs pray to Allah when using their native tongue. When someone refers to the God whom Muslims worship as Allah when writing in English, they are denyng that the God of Islam is the same monotheistic God worshipped by Jews and Christians and implying Allah is a different god (note the small g).

This is un-Islamic and, strangely, a disturbing practice shared by non-Muslim westerners who insist that Islam is a barbaric religion and strident Muslims who aim to show how special their religion is relative to the religions of the west, even as they are all rooted in the same semitic monotheism.

Wrong.Wrong.Wrong. Muslims are encouraged to use "Allah" just as they are encouraged to greet one another as "Salaam" instead of saying "Peace".

We worship the same God as Jews and Christians (except Christians today think Jesus IS God but we do not). We are always encouraged to use the Arabic word whenever possible. It is more complete, less likely to cause confusion. In fact, all our prayers are in Arabic too, every word of it.

Using a different word for God when speaking in English implies a different god. I don't know who is doing this encouraging, but it is a very negative development. This is quite different from saying Salaam for peace because salaam does not imply a different peace.

Dropping in a phrase in Arabic using Allah when speaking English is fine: Inshallah is a particularly useful one. This is like using a Latin phrase that has gained currency in English like "carpe diem."

Surely you see the irony that the only non-Muslim westerners who refer to the God Muslims worship as Allah are virulently anti-Islamic and seek to distance Islam from their own religion by implying the god Muslims worship is not the god Christians and Jews worship and implying Muslims are not monotheistic as they are. When Muslims, speaking in English, use Allah they are similarly implying their god is not God, the monotheistic entity widely worshipped by English speaking people. And they are encouraging the Islamaphobes by adopting their practice of using Allah instead of God.

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Nasty Little Muslim here. I am the one who is cautious about calling all hadith authentic, not Muslima.
If you're going to take me down, how come I'm still standing here?

Not the PP you're addressing, but once again, that bigoted appellation is your own invention. Nobody else called you that.

Anonymous wrote: If you are too cowardly to have an identity on DCUM, then you need to expect we may confuse one islamophobe with the other two.

You don't have a DCUM identity either....

Anonymous wrote: I don't know which sura/verse Muslima quoted but if its the one about a woman declaring her oath of allegiance to the Prophet, that is often used in support of the fact that Islam granted women political choices and their opinion counted. It may not show "voting" rights per se, but it shows women were granted the right to align themselves with whatever ruler they wanted. This verse shows they were politically relevant.

The sura I mentioned, ash shura, provides clear evidence that women had voting rights and the right of their opinion to be heard in all matters requiring a collective opinion. The Quranic language that addresses is plural, rather than female or only male. It means Allah is talking to everyone here. Given that Allah clearly had no issue delineating different rights between men and women, the reader would know that here, in this verse, Allah is including women.

You've been asked multiple times to cut and paste ithe ash shura passage here. Why have you still not done so?

Anonymous wrote:So its time to apologize to Muslima. Seems pretty clear. Islam did give voting rights to women.

Nothing is clear until you provided evidence. That's how it works. Repeating a proposition over and over doesn't make it true.

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Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I'm just an ignorant, barefoot, veiled Muslim gal. Can you explain to me what it means to be a very American woman? Does it mean she's wearing a baseball cap, her boyfriend's boxers, a nose ring, a few tattoos, and eating apple pie? ??

Appalling. Not as bad as your disgusting STD jab, but this is still shameful.

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Anonymous wrote:PS, good luck in landing that PR job you're seeking! From your performance here, you'll kill at it. Literally.

Ahhh, but if you only knew my background. Well suited for the job of going up against islamophobes like you.

I dunno, you kinda suck at it here..

This isn't the United Nations. We're in rural, back woods, Islamophobe America, remember? Your toothless grins should be a constant reminder of that.

You're doing a terrible disservice to our religion.

Signed, a Muslim.

Sorry. I have a temper. It takes the patience of a saint/prophet to not lose one's temper when its clear they have an agenda to vilify Islam.

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Anonymous wrote:PS, good luck in landing that PR job you're seeking! From your performance here, you'll kill at it. Literally.

Ahhh, but if you only knew my background. Well suited for the job of going up against islamophobes like you.

I dunno, you kinda suck at it here..

This isn't the United Nations. We're in rural, back woods, Islamophobe America, remember? Your toothless grins should be a constant reminder of that.

You're doing a terrible disservice to our religion.

Signed, a Muslim.

Sorry. I have a temper. It takes the patience of a saint/prophet to not lose one's temper when its clear they have an agenda to vilify Islam.

I've been reading this thread and shaking my head, getting more disgusted by the minute. Your complete lack of Islamic adab does more damage to our religion than the worst of the kuffar. Every single non-Muslim who reads this will leave with a worse impression of Islam than they had before they read your remarks.

Muslima wrote:Ok, I had a good laugh, time-out now. Jummah Mubarak to you my sister in Islam. I think you and I both showed our humanity and went overboard in some of these responses, I did chuckle a lot but reality has set in now, I think it is best that we leave it alone at this point. It is clear to everyone reading this that the other PPs are not here to learn about Islam, they just want to create discord, mock and vilify as much as they can. This is no longer a discussion/debate, and this is exactly what they wanted. So, in the same of what we share, and for the sake of Allah, I am asking you to stop responding to insults/mockeries in this blessed day of Friday, which is the day Adam entered Heaven, the day he was expelled from it, the day the Quran was perfected and sealed, and it is also going to be the day of resurrection The best day on which the sun rises is Friday, let's not waste it on this futile discussion. Let's follow the way of our beloved Rassul today and take the high road, him who was faced with so much more than we could ever imagine but showed good manners and was courteous to all, even to those insulting him daily and throwing trash at him subhanaAllah. The great genius of our religion, and one of the great truths of our Prophet saw is that he came as a mercy to everyone. He created multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies. He had all types of people: Persians, Romans, Africans, Arabs from different tribes and he brought them into a fraternity of mercy. He had Jews and Christians and he honored them, and spoke to them kindly. He was not a harsh person, he was a gentle person. He created an open society. Our religion honors people and treats them with dignity. May Allah preserve in us the tolerance of Islam. Jummah Mubarak my dear sister in Islam!