Here is what I am saying - so that there is no confusion whatsoever: 1. There is nothing in the Quran about covering hair. 2. Posting anything on a discussion board does nothing to prove the veracity of the statement. What individual Muslims believe is beside the point. Anything other than what's in the Quran is personal interpretation, valuable only to the person who does the interpreting. If you like someone's interpretation, good for you. It doesn't make it true or accurate. Just to be clear - I don't have an interpretation of my own, I am just pointing the difference between scriptural commandment and personal interpretation. |
Suppose the culprit of this school teacher's murder will never caught since the only description of the murderer is that the person (don't know if it's male or female) was wearing a full black veil/dressing/cover of whatever name and black gloves. Even with video surveillance.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-school-teacher-stabbed-death-abu-dhabi-085502211.html |
Don't be ridiculous, tons of crimes have been committed in disguises. You want to ban hoodies too, while you're at it? Maybe pantyhose as well? Face masks? How about knives, you want to ban knives? Or maybe school teachers! That should cut down on crime! |
Actually some schools have banned hoodies. They did so at my daughter's school when there was a rash of kids pulling the fire alarm. There were wearing hoodies so they couldn't be identified by the automatic photograph. And to be clear--what distinguishes the hijab/niquab from a face mask in this context is that wearing a face mask (or pantyhose over the face, whatever) would always be considered suspicious in a public place while hijab/niqab wouldn't be. |
Bull- just because you have personally seen Muslims wear provocative things in private doesn't make it am Islamic Ruling. Modesty is the Character of Islam, we are told to be modest in character and action, whether in private or public. Yes women don't have to cover their hair, and awrah when male relatives are around, doesn't mean the Islamic guidance is go naked and dance like a freed monkey around your relatives. We still dress appropriately in private, we just have mire leeway as to what we can show. Heck, I have a friend who never takes her hijab off even when it's just the 2 of us, I've never seen her hair. And another friend was telling me recently that she never saw her MIL's hair and that her husband actually never saw his own mother's hair and we were laughing about it , like WTH, really the woman never takes her hijab off. |
Hijab is a headscarf that conceals absolutely nothing except the hair and upper part of your chest. I didn't know identification of hair and upper chest is sooo critical to finding criminals. Are you sure you aren't confusing things again? |
That's why I wrote hijab/niqab. obviously, if it was just hijab, the security camera could have caught the identity from the face. Or, if the person was male, without the hijab, he would have aroused suspicion well before he hit the restroom. |
Stop mixing Islam with the Muslims. What Saudi Arabia does had nothing to do with Islam. I don't think anyone is puting a gun on the head of the women wearing a niqab in Tysons Corner |
^^ without the niqab (not hijab) |
Obviously, there is no official ruling saying dress provocatively at home. But, equally, there is no ruling saying you cannot dress provocatively at home, and often that is done. Even you admit women take off their hijab--worn for purposes of modesty--at home. My point was that for many Americans, modesty is modesty and the difference is very small between public and private places. |
You didn't ask a religious question ("why are there no men's rights group asking to make gold and silk available to men?") You asked a question that has to do with social structures underlying the enforcement of these commandments. I gave you a perfectly logical answer - because society does not supervise and judge the way men dress the way it does women. There are no demonstration for the men's rights to wear gold and silk because while prohibited from wearing them religiously (according to non-scriptural sources), men aren't prohibited from wearing them socially. No one demonstrates for rights that are already available. |
I still don't get why this is of such significance to you. |
It isn't particularly of significance to me. I was just pointing out that rules of Islamic modesty can be very confusing for Westerners where there is not such a sharp distinction between dress that is considered acceptable privately and that which is considered acceptable in public. |
So by your statement, should we regard niqabs/burqas/hijabs/etc to be disguises? Thank you for making that point, that is exactly why we should feel like something is terribly wrong and possibly threatened as well as completely socially unacceptable when we see someone dressed in these disguises, just as we would if we saw a person walk into a mall with pantyhose on their face. |
And there is no official ruling saying you can't dance naked. Obviously, it is not the norm to dress provocatively just because one is at home. And the fact that you think it is shows your lack of knowledge of Islamic adaab. If anything, it is always emphasized how people need to dress appropriately , and respectfully, this applies in and outside of the home. Modesty is not limited to being in public. Now there are different ways to dress whether you're in public or not even for AMERICANS ![]() |