Romney Paid 13.9% Tax Rate on $21.6 Million in Income.

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[Post New]01/25/2012 12:01
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Anonymous
Because 15% of everyone's income isn't enough to run this country.

And taking 15% of the $44,000 most families of four live on is just cruel.
[Post New]01/25/2012 12:02
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jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
TheManWithAUsername wrote:
jsteele wrote:That data used here is simply wrong. Kerry's tax rate was not 13.1.

That chart apparently came from here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/tax-rates-of-presidential-candidates-in-one-chart/2012/01/24/gIQAOEEeNQ_blog.html

In the text it says that Kerry's and McCain's numbers included their spouses.



Exactly. The article also says, "On his own, Kerry paid 22.9 percent in federal taxes".


You dont file single you file joinlty of you are married.


You can file as "Married filing separately". That appears to be the case with the Kerry's.
[Post New]01/25/2012 12:11
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:since they are paying 15 percent already why not just make a flat tax for everyone to pay 15%.


How about 20% for everyone making over about $60,000? I wonder what that would come out to. But I can't imagine someone making under $50,000 or so being taxed at such a high rate.
[Post New]01/25/2012 12:22
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Anonymous
Obama is asking for a flat tax of 30% for those making a million or more a year.
[Post New]01/25/2012 12:27
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Because 15% of everyone's income isn't enough to run this country.

And taking 15% of the $44,000 most families of four live on is just cruel.


how is that cruel. Wouldnt it give you more incentive to make more?
[Post New]01/25/2012 12:36
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because 15% of everyone's income isn't enough to run this country.

And taking 15% of the $44,000 most families of four live on is just cruel.


how is that cruel. Wouldnt it give you more incentive to make more?


I guess some people continue to believe that economic mobility is just a matter of incentive, instead of a result of a bunch of confluent events.
Hold tight to that American dream myth if it keeps you warm at night, but it is not a reality for many people.
[Post New]01/25/2012 12:38
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
TheManWithAUsername wrote:
jsteele wrote:That data used here is simply wrong. Kerry's tax rate was not 13.1.

That chart apparently came from here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/tax-rates-of-presidential-candidates-in-one-chart/2012/01/24/gIQAOEEeNQ_blog.html

In the text it says that Kerry's and McCain's numbers included their spouses.



Exactly. The article also says, "On his own, Kerry paid 22.9 percent in federal taxes".


You dont file single you file joinlty of you are married.


And this is why the big guys can continue to pull the wool over everybody's eyes: some people are completely stupid about even tax basics.
[Post New]01/25/2012 13:40
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because 15% of everyone's income isn't enough to run this country.

And taking 15% of the $44,000 most families of four live on is just cruel.


how is that cruel. Wouldnt it give you more incentive to make more?


I suppose if making them poorer is an incentive, then yes.
[Post New]01/25/2012 13:44
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
TheManWithAUsername wrote:
jsteele wrote:That data used here is simply wrong. Kerry's tax rate was not 13.1.

That chart apparently came from here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/tax-rates-of-presidential-candidates-in-one-chart/2012/01/24/gIQAOEEeNQ_blog.html

In the text it says that Kerry's and McCain's numbers included their spouses.



Exactly. The article also says, "On his own, Kerry paid 22.9 percent in federal taxes".


You dont file single you file joinlty of you are married.


And this is why the big guys can continue to pull the wool over everybody's eyes: some people are completely stupid about even tax basics.


But EVERY taxpayer has to answer the question. Single/Married Filing Jointly/Married Filing Separately/Head of Household/Qualified Widow or Widower. It's the FIRST THING you do after filling out your name and address! Do people have annual amnesia???

[Post New]01/25/2012 14:10
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Anonymous
The ignorance about tax policy is breathtaking -- and a direct result of the machinations that enable Mitt and Mrs. Mitt to earn $57K per day and pay less than 15% in taxes.

Anyone who thinks taxation at EITHER end of the scale has any relationship to a person's work habits is simply wrong. Taxing the poor does not incent them to "work harder" and taxing the rich does not cause them to stop "creating jobs."

Think, people. Think.
[Post New]01/25/2012 14:20
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TheManWithAUsername
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because 15% of everyone's income isn't enough to run this country.

And taking 15% of the $44,000 most families of four live on is just cruel.


how is that cruel. Wouldnt it give you more incentive to make more?

You seem to think the two are mutually exclusive. I beat you with a bat, thereby giving you an incentive to protect yourself better. Win-win!

You also seem to think that all that's needed is more incentive. Instead of taxing them more, why don't we threaten lower earners with imprisonment or violence?

If all that's needed is more incentive, explain to me why only about 6% of applicants to McDonalds get hired.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-28/mcdonald-...vent-24-more-than-planned.html

[Post New]01/25/2012 14:23
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TheManWithAUsername
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Anonymous wrote:But EVERY taxpayer has to answer the question. Single/Married Filing Jointly/Married Filing Separately/Head of Household/Qualified Widow or Widower. It's the FIRST THING you do after filling out your name and address! Do people have annual amnesia???

I suspect that PP is young (and single). I found the questions annoying, then realized that they may not be rhetorical.
[Post New]01/25/2012 14:28
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Anonymous
I think if we can just incentivize those poor folks, maybe we can get them to take a fifth job! It's amazing to me that otherwise hard-headed "realist" conservatives can't seem to get it through their thick heads that there are a lot of hard-working good people out there who just can't make it in the harsh, Hobbsian society we've constructed.

Furthermore, there are a lot of incredibly dumb, incompetent, and just plain dysfunctional people out there as well. They've got kids. Saying, "Don't have kids" won't cut it. The choice is between letting people sink on their own, and consigning their children and their children's children to the same kind of mulish, squalid existence, or picking up their bills and giving them some breathing room.

The latter is what you do in a Christian society. I'll leave characterizing the former as an exercise to the reader.
[Post New]01/25/2012 14:48
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because 15% of everyone's income isn't enough to run this country.

And taking 15% of the $44,000 most families of four live on is just cruel.


how is that cruel. Wouldnt it give you more incentive to make more?


Then who fair lady, would clean your clothes; watch your children; take care of your lawns; pick your fruit; clean your teeth (hygenist); wait on you while you ordered your food; respond to your medical emergencies (EMT); fight your freaking wars. You are a dingbat.
[Post New]01/25/2012 16:11
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Anonymous
Funny how people think a family of four grossing 44K needs incentive. They have incentive. They can't buy the things they need. They don't kick back because they are afraid of the marginal tax rate on a potential raise.
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