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Anonymous wrote:These last two years Metro has also had a ton of shake-ups at 18s due to players leaving early for college. There is always turnover/movement at 18s for various reasons, but players leaving early for college has created even more volatility.

That definitely happened last year, but it isn't quite as drastic this year. 18T looks to be shaping up with 12 players from 17T, 2 players who played up to 18T last year, and the player that came from Paramount.

The Georgia Tech commit left early, no? But not the PSU or Purdue commit?

That's correct, at least for now.

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Anonymous wrote:These last two years Metro has also had a ton of shake-ups at 18s due to players leaving early for college. There is always turnover/movement at 18s for various reasons, but players leaving early for college has created even more volatility.

That definitely happened last year, but it isn't quite as drastic this year. 18T looks to be shaping up with 12 players from 17T, 2 players who played up to 18T last year, and the player that came from Paramount.

The Georgia Tech commit left early, no? But not the PSU or Purdue commit?

That's correct, at least for now.

Are you implying that the PSU or Purdue commit could end up leaving? Or that the Georgia Tech commit could be staying? I don't see anything feasibly being able to be changed because these decisions have to be made in advance due to high school graduation rules

Anonymous wrote:So it looks like some local CHRVA Clubs that usually have 18s teams may be canceling them at the last minute

Renaissance closed months ago. Legacy & Chesapeake Elite informed players there wouldn't be 18s before tryouts even started.

But what is going on with the 18s teams for VAJuniors & Loudoun Elite?

These clubs are not registered for CHRVA 18s BID or local tournaments required for BID. Also missing from other tournament registration lists.

These clubs market themselves as focused on college recruiting, but where are their 18s teams and actual commitments?

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like some local CHRVA Clubs that usually have 18s teams may be canceling them at the last minute

Renaissance closed months ago. Legacy & Chesapeake Elite informed players there wouldn't be 18s before tryouts even started.

But what is going on with the 18s teams for VAJuniors & Loudoun Elite?

These clubs are not registered for CHRVA 18s BID or local tournaments required for BID. Also missing from other tournament registration lists.

These clubs market themselves as focused on college recruiting, but where are their 18s teams and actual commitments?

VAJRs posted their rosters on their instagram and it includes an 18s team with 13 players.

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like some local CHRVA Clubs that usually have 18s teams may be canceling them at the last minute

Renaissance closed months ago. Legacy & Chesapeake Elite informed players there wouldn't be 18s before tryouts even started.

But what is going on with the 18s teams for VAJuniors & Loudoun Elite?

These clubs are not registered for CHRVA 18s BID or local tournaments required for BID. Also missing from other tournament registration lists.

These clubs market themselves as focused on college recruiting, but where are their 18s teams and actual commitments?

VAJRs posted their rosters on their instagram and it includes an 18s team with 13 players.

Anonymous wrote:These posts look more and more like a disinformation campaign and slender that started during the tryout period to confuse players / parents. It feels like every team got someone upset at some point in the past. Some of those people keep coming on dcum and bash the club.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts look more and more like a disinformation campaign and slender that started during the tryout period to confuse players / parents. It feels like every team got someone upset at some point in the past. Some of those people keep coming on dcum and bash the club.

Where is the disinformation? Someone noticed VAJRs wasn’t signed up for Regionals (which is easy to verify) and speculated they weren’t having an 18s team this year. A few folks questioned whether that was correct while also sharing information that they had about VAJRs players moving to Paramount. Now that Paramount and VAJRs rosters have been made public, it’s turned out to be accurate that a lot of VAJRs players (6) went to Paramount.

While there has been a few disparaging comments (welcome to the interwebs) most of the information shared turned out to be true.

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody have any observations that they've gleaned from looking at the rosters of clubs who have posted them?

FPYCparent wrote:I am not familiar with the history of VA Juniors. Looking at the last two USAV Nationals, ...

2023 qualified teams: https://usavolley.sharepoint.com/: x:/g/EVdn2Y4iitFCoZmXPMACjm8BaircqC1YPTfxD68tqYd48A?rtime=VVbGRjn_3Eg (remove the space in the middle near the colon)
2024 qualified teams: https://usavolley.sharepoint.com/: x:/g/ETnezVnHJUhBiLREsjygzQwBFrwJPdQqHYhyia6VvSFrHA?e=5utWCR (remove the space in the middle near the colon)

The 2023 14s team got an American bid (reallocated to region). I think that would be this year's 16s, but understanding that the team's makeup may change each year. The 16s (now 18s) got a reallocated Freedom bid and the 18s look like they earned their own Freedom bid that year.

For the 2024 season, the 17s got a reallocated Freedom bid. 16s earned their own Freedom bid. The 15s got a USA bid at NEQ.

Without check age groups younger than 14s, it looks like the club got at least three USAV bids over the past two seasons. Has the club traditionally done the same in the past ... in terms typical number of three USAV bids?

Sure, "only" getting three bids won't compare nicely to Metro and Paramount ... and I recognize that Freedom bids aren't as eye-catching as Open/National/whatever. However, that should equate to a top-5/6 finish in Bid Regionals for certain age groups given the effects of reallocation. I haven't seen any evidence of CHRVA sending 10s of teams in each age group to USAV every year, so three bids for one club doesn't seem terrible. What am I missing?

Prior to Paramount being formed (and for probably the first 2 years of Paramount's existence, as well), VAJRS had pretty clearly solidified themselves as the 2nd best club in the CHRVA Region behind Metro. They were pretty much getting all of the best talent that didn't make Metro. So, by and large, all 6 of their teams were typically qualifying for USAV Nationals during that time. VAE was also much stronger back then, but their downfall has been more pronounced every year since then. However, Paramount got stronger and stronger every year and kept growing. All of Jrs. top talent began to leave to either Metro or VAJRS. VAJRS also kept bringing in different people to run the day-to-day operations of the club, and those people did not do a great job. During this time, Blue Ridge kept getting stronger as well. Jrs. used to be more relevant on the national stage, but now they are just an above average local club in the CHRVA Region.

Metro/Paramount are clearly in a different category than any other CHRVA clubs. They're the only clubs that from top-to-bottom, across all age groups, are competing and winning in Open. After Metro/Paramount, I believe that Blue Ridge has solidified themselves as the 3rd best club (although from a college recruiting perspective, they're not ideal since their focus in on beach). After Blue Ridge, I would place VAJRS and MDJRS in next tier, then VAE after that.

With all of these additional bids that are available, bids often go to the 5th/6th/7th place finishers at CHRVA Regionals. For VAJRS to only have earned 3 bids last season, that is pretty telling where the club is.

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FPYCparent wrote:I am not familiar with the history of VA Juniors. Looking at the last two USAV Nationals, ...

2023 qualified teams: https://usavolley.sharepoint.com/: x:/g/EVdn2Y4iitFCoZmXPMACjm8BaircqC1YPTfxD68tqYd48A?rtime=VVbGRjn_3Eg (remove the space in the middle near the colon)
2024 qualified teams: https://usavolley.sharepoint.com/: x:/g/ETnezVnHJUhBiLREsjygzQwBFrwJPdQqHYhyia6VvSFrHA?e=5utWCR (remove the space in the middle near the colon)

The 2023 14s team got an American bid (reallocated to region). I think that would be this year's 16s, but understanding that the team's makeup may change each year. The 16s (now 18s) got a reallocated Freedom bid and the 18s look like they earned their own Freedom bid that year.

For the 2024 season, the 17s got a reallocated Freedom bid. 16s earned their own Freedom bid. The 15s got a USA bid at NEQ.

Without check age groups younger than 14s, it looks like the club got at least three USAV bids over the past two seasons. Has the club traditionally done the same in the past ... in terms typical number of three USAV bids?

Sure, "only" getting three bids won't compare nicely to Metro and Paramount ... and I recognize that Freedom bids aren't as eye-catching as Open/National/whatever. However, that should equate to a top-5/6 finish in Bid Regionals for certain age groups given the effects of reallocation. I haven't seen any evidence of CHRVA sending 10s of teams in each age group to USAV every year, so three bids for one club doesn't seem terrible. What am I missing?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anybody have any observations that they've gleaned from looking at the rosters of clubs who have posted them?

Perhaps the biggest observation is that Paramount and VAJRs 18s had a larger than usual number of players coming and going.

Here's a quick summary of what are likely to be the top CHRVA 18s:

This season's Paramount 18s have 14 players on the roster. Here is where they played season: 3 are returners, 6 are from VAJRs, 2 are from VAE, 1 from Renaissance, 1 from MDJRs, and 1 that I can't figure out.

This season's VAJRs 18s have 13 players on the roster. Here is where they played season: 3 are returners, 3 are from Paramount, and the remainder are from several different clubs.

VAE 18s has 12 players on the roster this season. 4 players left from last year's 17s and they picked up 2 from Paramount and 1 from MDJRs.

Metro 18 Travel has 15 players on the roster this season. 12 are returners from last year's 17T, 2 are from last year's 18T, and 1 from Paramount.

Based on the players who moved, my sense is that Metro and VAE should be a little stronger than last season. Paramount should also be really solid, but it's a little harder to predict with so much of the roster being new to the club. VAJRs is probably a little weaker.

Blue Ridge is also strong in this age group. They've gone back to not attending regionals and last season even turned down a bid they earned at a qualifier, but they will be attending Volley by the James, Charm City, Capitol Hill etc. Looks like the core of their 17s from last year is on 18s this year

While I haven't dug deeper, I would guess the next tier of CHRVA 18s would be similar to prior years, with MDJRs, Premier (DE), MVSA, and Liberty Elite being teams with a shot at earning a GJNC bid at regionals.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anybody have any observations that they've gleaned from looking at the rosters of clubs who have posted them?

Perhaps the biggest observation is that Paramount and VAJRs 18s had a larger than usual number of players coming and going.

Here's a quick summary of what are likely to be the top CHRVA 18s:

This season's Paramount 18s have 14 players on the roster. Here is where they played season: 3 are returners, 6 are from VAJRs, 2 are from VAE, 1 from Renaissance, 1 from MDJRs, and 1 that I can't figure out.

This season's VAJRs 18s have 13 players on the roster. Here is where they played season: 3 are returners, 3 are from Paramount, and the remainder are from several different clubs.

VAE 18s has 12 players on the roster this season. 4 players left from last year's 17s and they picked up 2 from Paramount and 1 from MDJRs.

What about in the other age groups besides 18s?

Metro 18 Travel has 15 players on the roster this season. 12 are returners from last year's 17T, 2 are from last year's 18T, and 1 from Paramount.

Based on the players who moved, my sense is that Metro and VAE should be a little stronger than last season. Paramount should also be really solid, but it's a little harder to predict with so much of the roster being new to the club. VAJRs is probably a little weaker.

Blue Ridge is also strong in this age group. They've gone back to not attending regionals and last season even turned down a bid they earned at a qualifier, but they will be attending Volley by the James, Charm City, Capitol Hill etc. Looks like the core of their 17s from last year is on 18s this year

While I haven't dug deeper, I would guess the next tier of CHRVA 18s would be similar to prior years, with MDJRs, Premier (DE), MVSA, and Liberty Elite being teams with a shot at earning a GJNC bid at regionals.

Last years U17 bid tournament was BEVBC, LEVBC, MD JRS, Metro Travel, Metro North, MOCO, MOJO, MVSA, Paramount, Premier, VA Elite & VA Juniors. The only teams in that list that finished outside the top 12 at the end of their U17 season were LEVBC and MOJO. In a rarity of AES rankings, the U17 rankings looked pretty accurate because most of those teams playered each other head-to-head during the season.

Of those that attended bid regionals last year, LEVBC, MD Jrs, Metro Travel, Metro North, MOCO, MVSA, Paramount & VA Elite are currently registered for 18s bids.

Adding to the info provided above:
- VA Jrs is likely weaker - as a PP said most of their starting lineup moved.

- Paramount could be better or worse, looks like it depends on who plays the most. Paramount 17s were better than VA JRs 17s, so adding 6 of those players to the team doesn't necessarily make it stronger. The two VAE players they added were in the backup roles at their positions.

- MOCO returns 7 players. They added 2 from their other club teams from last year and one I don't know. Probably the same level as last year.

- Metro North kept 5 players from last year and added 4 new players, coming from LEVBC, CVA, Shenadoah Surge, and one I don't know (their roster only shows as 9 right now). Assuming the players from last year that aren't on their roster aren't coming back, they are losing a fair number of starters.

- MVSA hasn't posted yet, but based on conversations it looks like they returned a reasonable number of their players, more to come once the roster is live.

- LEVBC, MD Jrs, Permier, and MOJO haven't posted yet either.

The rest of the teams registered for bids are: American, BAVA, CVA, EVA, MEVC, SRVC and St. James. Of those, MEVC, American, and CVA were in the top 25 in U17 last year but how they are this year will depend on the players they added/kept/lost.