Anonymous wrote:Do you really have to apply ED to get in? EA isn’t good enough?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really have to apply ED to get in? EA isn’t good enough?

Of course not. UVA lets in many students from our HS, almost all from the top30%, ED is only "needed" for the bottom of that group. The top 15% get into UVA EA as long as they took enough hard courses and have the scores.

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Anonymous wrote:My niece got accepted a couple weeks ago. She had ok stats but nothing special. She goes to a run of the mill public high school in Fairfax county.

I think maybe the reason she got accepted is that she has had a job since she was in 9th grade? That's the only thing I can think that would differentiate her....

Not being a boy helps at UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you really have to apply ED to get in? EA isn’t good enough?

Of course not. UVA lets in many students from our HS, almost all from the top30%, ED is only "needed" for the bottom of that group. The top 15% get into UVA EA as long as they took enough hard courses and have the scores.

Is this TJ because that’s not how it is most anywhere else. At my kids school only the top 5% got in.

Anonymous wrote:Do you really have to apply ED to get in? EA isn’t good enough?

Anonymous wrote:The privileged and wealthy are no longer hogging all the pie. It's great that new initiatives support women, POCs, URMs, and kids in poverty so that they too can have a chance to change their future trajectory through a college education.

Anonymous wrote:I had two kids go to UVA almost a decade apart from each. When each applied the ratio for in state versus out of state enrollment (basically two to one) was exactly the same as it is today. So the claim that it’s OOS enrollment that’s causing the problem is bullshit.

Also, my second kid got in almost a decade after my first from one of the alleged top NOVA publics with lower SATs than my older one but higher grades. In fact, the SATs were lower than the 25 percentile range for UVA students and she hold no hooks. None. UVA has always cared more about grades and courses taken than test scores.

Which leads to my third point: the poster suggesting that all you have to do is move to Southwest Virginia and get a 1400 on the SAT has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. The fact is, some of those places don’t even send a single student to UVA. The only students getting into UVA from any school in the state of Virginia are students at the very top of their class, and to suggest that they will take just about anyone from coal country is complete, total, disrespectful and unadulterated bullshit.

What is really going on nowadays is that students are applying to many more colleges than they have in the past because the process is easier. But the same students are getting into UVA that always have: the ones at the top of the class.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you really have to apply ED to get in? EA isn’t good enough?

Of course not. UVA lets in many students from our HS, almost all from the top30%, ED is only "needed" for the bottom of that group. The top 15% get into UVA EA as long as they took enough hard courses and have the scores.

Is this TJ because that’s not how it is most anywhere else. At my kids school only the top 5% got in.

TheSpanishDoctor wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had two kids go to UVA almost a decade apart from each. When each applied the ratio for in state versus out of state enrollment (basically two to one) was exactly the same as it is today. So the claim that it’s OOS enrollment that’s causing the problem is bullshit.

Also, my second kid got in almost a decade after my first from one of the alleged top NOVA publics with lower SATs than my older one but higher grades. In fact, the SATs were lower than the 25 percentile range for UVA students and she hold no hooks. None. UVA has always cared more about grades and courses taken than test scores.

Which leads to my third point: the poster suggesting that all you have to do is move to Southwest Virginia and get a 1400 on the SAT has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. The fact is, some of those places don’t even send a single student to UVA. The only students getting into UVA from any school in the state of Virginia are students at the very top of their class, and to suggest that they will take just about anyone from coal country is complete, total, disrespectful and unadulterated bullshit.

What is really going on nowadays is that students are applying to many more colleges than they have in the past because the process is easier. But the same students are getting into UVA that always have: the ones at the top of the class.

I think most people get this idea from states such as Texas: "Public universities in Texas are required to automatically accept every student who graduates from high school in the top 10% of their class. But UT-Austin is an exception: Right now, state law requires that 75% of UT-Austin’s freshman class must be automatically admitted if they graduated from a Texas public high school in the top 6% of their class." https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/22/texas-legislation-ut-austin-affirmative-action/.

When I heard a friend explain to another parent how UVA has to take X number of students from each county or region or whatever, I pointed him to the UVA Admission FAQs: "Do you have quotas or targets for certain schools or areas? No. While we maintain a 2/3 majority of Virginia residents in our student population, there are no restrictions on how many students we may admit from a particular school, town, county, or region." https://admission.virginia.edu/faqs. I thought he understood, but a couple years later he was sharing the same cautionary advice.

I don't know how long UVA has been doing admissions this way, but it's definitely been more than a decade: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/does-uva-have-a-quota-for-northern-virginia-admissions/2013/11/25/559685ba-557b-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html.

Anonymous wrote:

TheSpanishDoctor wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had two kids go to UVA almost a decade apart from each. When each applied the ratio for in state versus out of state enrollment (basically two to one) was exactly the same as it is today. So the claim that it’s OOS enrollment that’s causing the problem is bullshit.

Also, my second kid got in almost a decade after my first from one of the alleged top NOVA publics with lower SATs than my older one but higher grades. In fact, the SATs were lower than the 25 percentile range for UVA students and she hold no hooks. None. UVA has always cared more about grades and courses taken than test scores.

Which leads to my third point: the poster suggesting that all you have to do is move to Southwest Virginia and get a 1400 on the SAT has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. The fact is, some of those places don’t even send a single student to UVA. The only students getting into UVA from any school in the state of Virginia are students at the very top of their class, and to suggest that they will take just about anyone from coal country is complete, total, disrespectful and unadulterated bullshit.

What is really going on nowadays is that students are applying to many more colleges than they have in the past because the process is easier. But the same students are getting into UVA that always have: the ones at the top of the class.

I think most people get this idea from states such as Texas: "Public universities in Texas are required to automatically accept every student who graduates from high school in the top 10% of their class. But UT-Austin is an exception: Right now, state law requires that 75% of UT-Austin’s freshman class must be automatically admitted if they graduated from a Texas public high school in the top 6% of their class." https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/22/texas-legislation-ut-austin-affirmative-action/.

When I heard a friend explain to another parent how UVA has to take X number of students from each county or region or whatever, I pointed him to the UVA Admission FAQs: "Do you have quotas or targets for certain schools or areas? No. While we maintain a 2/3 majority of Virginia residents in our student population, there are no restrictions on how many students we may admit from a particular school, town, county, or region." https://admission.virginia.edu/faqs. I thought he understood, but a couple years later he was sharing the same cautionary advice.

I don't know how long UVA has been doing admissions this way, but it's definitely been more than a decade: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/does-uva-have-a-quota-for-northern-virginia-admissions/2013/11/25/559685ba-557b-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html.

No, they get the idea because somehow they have convinced themselves that their kids - among the most privileged on Planet Earth - are somehow disadvantaged and put upon. It’s ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you really have to apply ED to get in? EA isn’t good enough?

Of course not. UVA lets in many students from our HS, almost all from the top30%, ED is only "needed" for the bottom of that group. The top 15% get into UVA EA as long as they took enough hard courses and have the scores.

Is this TJ because that’s not how it is most anywhere else. At my kids school only the top 5% got in.

No, not TJ! They do slightly better. Just a test-in high school that is not top 3 in the state but is a top 10 in the state.

Biggest issue people have with UVA is so much grade inflation exists and class rank and more importantly relative course rigor are very hard to determine by parents. Median weighted gpa can be 4.1–4.2 at many schools in VA especially nova. 8 APs can be average. To truly be top 30% at the more competitive schools(usually the test-in privates or public magnets) one has to do a lot more than a 3.9uw/4.2 W with 8 APs.

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Anonymous wrote:And ironically UVa CS and Engineering programs are quite mediocre, at best

It’s 37th for undergrad engineering on Usnwr. Hardly mediocre. Rice, the DCUM darling, is 25. Harvard is 30. RPI 34. Brown and Yale and Case Western and Colorado School of Mines, are all also 37. Stop using flimsy excuses to bash UVA. And no my kid is not even applying to UVA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you really have to apply ED to get in? EA isn’t good enough?

Of course not. UVA lets in many students from our HS, almost all from the top30%, ED is only "needed" for the bottom of that group. The top 15% get into UVA EA as long as they took enough hard courses and have the scores.

Is this TJ because that’s not how it is most anywhere else. At my kids school only the top 5% got in.

No, not TJ! They do slightly better. Just a test-in high school that is not top 3 in the state but is a top 10 in the state.

Biggest issue people have with UVA is so much grade inflation exists and class rank and more importantly relative course rigor are very hard to determine by parents. Median weighted gpa can be 4.1–4.2 at many schools in VA especially nova. 8 APs can be average. To truly be top 30% at the more competitive schools(usually the test-in privates or public magnets) one has to do a lot more than a 3.9uw/4.2 W with 8 APs.

Yep, it's a crapshoot. I posted in another thread about my two DS's, 2021 and 2024, at Mclean/Langley. 2021 had 3.9 UW/4.2 W with 8 APs, 1490 SAT, rejected by UVA. 2024 had 3.9 UW/4.3 W with 10 APs, 1500 SAT, accepted by UVA in EA. Same average ECs. Very slight difference between the two DSs, but one in and one out. Why? I have no idea.