Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:I have huge issues with Israel killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians as a response to the horrible act on 10/7. Deal with it, I really do not care what you think of me.


Where was this outrage over the deaths of civilians in Syria, in Yemen, in South Sudan? Didn't fit your personal truth? Oh yeah, and it didn't involve the Jews. But carry on internet person.


The deaths in those countries are also horrifying, but that doesn't dismiss the ongoing terror happening in Gaza? Are you stupid?
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Anonymous wrote:The Rape of the Israeli Women

So interesting - and disgusting that the progressive left has been completely silent regarding the many rapes of Israeli women by Hamas on October 7. Not just rapes, but mutilation. Apparently, it’s inconvenient for the progressive left to speak out about these atrocities against women committed by Hamas. Just repulsive.
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Several of those involved in collecting and identifying the bodies of the dead told the BBC that they had seen “multiple signs of sexual assault, including broken pelvises, bruises, cuts and tears, and that the victims ranged from children and teenagers to pensioners.” Video testimony of an eyewitness to the music festival, shown to journalists by Israeli police, “detailed the gang rape, mutilation and execution of one victim.” The BBC saw “videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack.”

It happened at scale, as part of a pattern, and with a deliberateness that strongly suggests it was systematic. The rape, torture and mutilation of women looks as if it was part of the battle plan. Hamas used sexual violence as a weapon.

Why has the progressive left in the West, for two months now, been disbelieving, silent or equivocal about what Hamas did to women? One answer is that the progressive left hates Israel and feels whatever is done to Israelis is justified.

Why have women’s groups of the progressive left been silent? Because at bottom they aren’t for women; they are for the team.

Why is it important? Because it happened. Because it reveals something about the essential nature of Hamas and reflects its ultimate political goals. Progressives admiringly quote Maya Angelou’s advice that when people show you who they are, believe them. Oct. 7 was Hamas showing you who they are. Believe them.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rape-of-the-israeli-women-october-7-hamas-gaza-progressives-c2a4cd38?st=v5xjk5x2mdmdm0x&reflink=article_copyURL_share


Why would we spend time talking about something that didn't happen
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Anonymous wrote:What is people's endgame here? It appears ceasefire + Israeli victory + no Hamas rule in Gaza.


I want to see a free Palestine and the ceasing of Israel's existence
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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what you want. Groups like Hamas are never going away. They will never stop trying to kill. Dying for the cause is what it's all about. They don't want peace the way you do.


This is another straw man argument to try to obsfucate that it is Israel, under both Labor and Likud that wants only to supplant the Palestinians and expel them.

In 1968, the Palestinian resistance was a secular PLO with both Christian and Muslim members and Israel was a socialist, albeit militarized zionist society.

Now, after 60 more years of brutal oppression, cynical theft, violence and a lot of money laundering and arms trafficking enriching a lot of AXXholes, the parties confronting each other are a Muslim fundamentalist group on one side and a R wing zealot Israeli government on the other.

Send in a multi-national force and separate them by force of arms, set up medical care and food distribution, housing.

Netanyahu thinks that the world is going to let him exterminate every last Palestinian and he is wrong. In the end, what Netanyahu will destroy is Israel- he is 75% of the way there , in fact
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The US has dropped 38,000 MRE in to a population of 2.3 million starving people.


I suspect this number is wrong. That would be a 35x35x35 box, smaller than a single pallet.


What the f are you talking about? One MRE weight on average 18-22oz. One case has 12 meals. Each shipping pallet contains 48 cases. The net weight per case is approximately 22 lbs. and 1.02 cubic feet, while each pallet weights 1,098 lbs. and is approximately 56.1 cubic feet

About 38,000 meals airdropped into Gaza by U.S. military in humanitarian aid operation
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. military C-130 cargo planes dropped food in pallets over Gaza on Saturday in the opening stage of an emergency humanitarian assistance authorized by President Joe Biden after more than 100 Palestinians who had surged to pull goods off an aid convoy were killed during a chaotic encounter with Israeli troops.

Three planes from Air Forces Central dropped 66 bundles containing about 38,000 meals into Gaza at 8:30 a.m. EST (3:30 p.m. local). The bundles were dropped in southwest Gaza, on the beach along the territory’s Mediterranean coast, one U.S. official said. The airdrop was coordinated with the Royal Jordanian Air Force, which has been airdropping food and took part in Saturday’s mission.


1 meal per person for 38k people, one meal for 1 day
There are 2 million people, so I suppose 6 people need to share 1 mre?
So that is far too little
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The US has dropped 38,000 MRE in to a population of 2.3 million starving people.


I suspect this number is wrong. That would be a 35x35x35 box, smaller than a single pallet.


What the f are you talking about? One MRE weight on average 18-22oz. One case has 12 meals. Each shipping pallet contains 48 cases. The net weight per case is approximately 22 lbs. and 1.02 cubic feet, while each pallet weights 1,098 lbs. and is approximately 56.1 cubic feet

About 38,000 meals airdropped into Gaza by U.S. military in humanitarian aid operation
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. military C-130 cargo planes dropped food in pallets over Gaza on Saturday in the opening stage of an emergency humanitarian assistance authorized by President Joe Biden after more than 100 Palestinians who had surged to pull goods off an aid convoy were killed during a chaotic encounter with Israeli troops.

Three planes from Air Forces Central dropped 66 bundles containing about 38,000 meals into Gaza at 8:30 a.m. EST (3:30 p.m. local). The bundles were dropped in southwest Gaza, on the beach along the territory’s Mediterranean coast, one U.S. official said. The airdrop was coordinated with the Royal Jordanian Air Force, which has been airdropping food and took part in Saturday’s mission.


1 meal per person for 38k people, one meal for 1 day
There are 2 million people, so I suppose 6 people need to share 1 mre?
So that is far too little


Millions of pounds of food have entered by land as well. Looting by gangs and Hamas complicate distribution.
Anonymous
All that money and Israel has to use sea water not bombs to actually destroy tunnels

And the tunnels supposedly have drains so there’s no guarantee a barrage of sea water even works
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Anonymous wrote:What is people's endgame here? It appears ceasefire + Israeli victory + no Hamas rule in Gaza.


Israeli victory how? Hamas rules from Qatar.

Israel knows Hamas is not going to be eliminated so the whole charade should end now
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I am so so sick of this 80 years of wars that have sucked in , not just Palestinians but Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Kurds- especially since 1967. What a tremendous waste of human capital, human lives, money and soldiers in arms. Obscene.

For real peace in the Middle East, the USA needs to but the heck out- for good.


1967, that was when Egypt, Syria, Jordan, announced they were going to eliminate the Jew from the face of the Earth, and this is the fault of the US.


? I think you need to read up on history here. The ME wars have never been about “eliminating Jews from the face of the Earth”. That was Germany’s goal in the 1930s. The ME conflicts were land disputes. Surprise, surprise, the Palestinians did not like being kicked off their family property and other countries rose to their defense. At this point there is acceptance to revert to the 67 borders. Israel is the one standing in the way of peace and creating a man made famine / displacement of an entire population. So so sad. And immoral.


If they reverted to 67 borders, then Arabs would start fighting and demand new rollback. The goal is elimination of Israel and Jews revert to living under Muslim rule.


Someone already responded to this more ably than I could, but this claim is not well supported. Remember that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all got along very well in Palestine until Zionists began hatching plans to steal the land. When Zionists first began speaking of a "land without a people," they were making it very clear that they didn't consider Palestinians to be "a people." Palestinians were evicted the way ground squirrels are evicted from a building site to make way for a Zionist state. Of course they have the right to regain their land and eliminate Israel as a state, but not the right to eliminate Jews. I notice that you conflate the two.


I don't conflate the two. I said elimination of Israel, and Jews would be under Muslim rule. Your post appears to agree with me. You are not accepting of 67 borders, and want Israel gone.


OK, there's a missing comma in your previous post that made it look like you thought there would be a push to eliminate both Israel and Jews. Yes, I personally want Israel replaced by one state with equal rights for all and reparations for Palestinians who have had their land and property stolen and family members killed (going back to the Nakba). However, I think the Palestinians would accept a two-state solution with 1967 borders at the moment. I was partly explaining why I think this is a major concession on the part of the Palestinians and partly reacting to your statement "Arabs would start fighting and demand new rollback." The latter implies that Arabs are unreasonable aggressors, when Israel has done most of the fighting and all of the land theft and continues to aggress against Palestinians in the West Bank and to steal their land.
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Anonymous wrote:All that money and Israel has to use sea water not bombs to actually destroy tunnels

And the tunnels supposedly have drains so there’s no guarantee a barrage of sea water even works


Which means the IDF has probably drowned some of the hostages. It's hard to pretend Israel cares about them.
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Anonymous wrote:What have the Palestinians done to deserve to be treated like this?
So the ancient Israelites left, own fault. They should have judged the times better back in 2 millennia ago
Now that the western powers decided to displace an entire nation and let someone else have their homes and farms
But why do the people who displaced them and put them in open air prisons hate them so?
One would think that the people who displaced them should be somewhat thankful for the earlier folk for having looked after the land
There is a disconnect with humanity.


They didn’t all leave. Palestinians are the ancient Israelis .

There are lots of Jewish signs among the Palestinians. Ironically, the village that signed a peace deal with Jews then got massacred in 48 by Jews (Deir Yasin) was known for the stars of David and candles and other Jewish ancestral symbols from the Muslim Villagers. So proud they were of zion and being ancient Israelis they never left the land despite changing faiths.

In the video below, most of the Palestinians had their faces blurred when speaking about the Jewish ancestry of their families So they went from being proud to draw Jewish stars above their front doors to it being a source of shame and taboo to identify with Jews. This is the ugliness of war

https://youtu.be/StlMl077Ei8?si=r8VpC0BhksDjuAvH
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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what you want. Groups like Hamas are never going away. They will never stop trying to kill. Dying for the cause is what it's all about. They don't want peace the way you do.


No disagree. If Israel made peace and integrated the Palestinians in to Israel as full citizens 45 years ago there would be no Hamas. Israel does not want peace only genocide. Israel can not survive without stolen land and massive aid from the US. If Israel makes peace all that stops.


You can disagree all you want, but when you need a time machine to get what you want you're not living in reality.
Anonymous
From the beginning, nice Palestinians like the Deir Yassin village who were friendly and receptive to Jews were the ones who got squashed like a bug. You can’t be nice to Jews as a Palestinian and survive there
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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what you want. Groups like Hamas are never going away. They will never stop trying to kill. Dying for the cause is what it's all about. They don't want peace the way you do.


No disagree. If Israel made peace and integrated the Palestinians in to Israel as full citizens 45 years ago there would be no Hamas. Israel does not want peace only genocide. Israel can not survive without stolen land and massive aid from the US. If Israel makes peace all that stops.


You can disagree all you want, but when you need a time machine to get what you want you're not living in reality.


Oh, this is rich. What about the God personally handed us this land in 2,000 BCE sentiment? Birthright is all about a Time Machine
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The US has dropped 38,000 MRE in to a population of 2.3 million starving people.


I suspect this number is wrong. That would be a 35x35x35 box, smaller than a single pallet.


What the f are you talking about? One MRE weight on average 18-22oz. One case has 12 meals. Each shipping pallet contains 48 cases. The net weight per case is approximately 22 lbs. and 1.02 cubic feet, while each pallet weights 1,098 lbs. and is approximately 56.1 cubic feet

About 38,000 meals airdropped into Gaza by U.S. military in humanitarian aid operation
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. military C-130 cargo planes dropped food in pallets over Gaza on Saturday in the opening stage of an emergency humanitarian assistance authorized by President Joe Biden after more than 100 Palestinians who had surged to pull goods off an aid convoy were killed during a chaotic encounter with Israeli troops.

Three planes from Air Forces Central dropped 66 bundles containing about 38,000 meals into Gaza at 8:30 a.m. EST (3:30 p.m. local). The bundles were dropped in southwest Gaza, on the beach along the territory’s Mediterranean coast, one U.S. official said. The airdrop was coordinated with the Royal Jordanian Air Force, which has been airdropping food and took part in Saturday’s mission.


1 meal per person for 38k people, one meal for 1 day
There are 2 million people, so I suppose 6 people need to share 1 mre?
So that is far too little


Millions of pounds of food have entered by land as well. Looting by gangs and Hamas complicate distribution.


No the IdF has stop any aid from getting into Gaza. The aid is sitting outside the border not allowed to move because of Israel. The armed gang is the IdF.

Unless you believe the IdF is so incompetent as to have no control over Gaza after 160 plus days of combat?? Hamas is just operating openly? Maybe Hamas is stealing IdF weapons and selling them to Al-Qaeda and Iran?? Oh no who should we believe?? Is there yellow cake?
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