I don't know my child's IQ - am I a bad parent?

Anonymous
Floor and ceiling detectability levels differ depending on the test and age group for which it is used: WAIS, WAIC, or WPPSI are examples, all Wechsler tests. So there may be no such thing as an IQ score greater than 135 for a 2 year old, but for a 10 year old, different story.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Floor and ceiling detectability levels differ depending on the test and age group for which it is used: WAIS, WAIC, or WPPSI are examples, all Wechsler tests. So there may be no such thing as an IQ score greater than 135 for a 2 year old, but for a 10 year old, different story.




Well, that actually makes some sense, even without any citations. Thanks!
Anonymous
If you have the money, any expert will tell you what you want to hear, especially in this area.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:All this talk about whose IQ is what and how my kid really does, too, have an IQ of 145 or whatever is obsuring the very important point that 11:09 made. Sometimes a very high IQ can be a burden to a child in learning work habits before it is too late. I could have written 11:09's story word-for-word. Sometimes it's a wonder to me how I managed to succeed at all given my pathetic study habits. I've learned some work habits as an adult, but not the ones some of my very successful colleagues in grad school had - they were machines.

My kids attend private school in part because I want them to learn good work habits. Their WPPSI scores are in the mid-90s percentile. I would call them bright, not genuises, but I don't care about the label or the number. What I care about far more is that they learn to love school and learning and that they develop good work habits.


This is me as well. 99th percentile on every standardized test I ever took as a child, never had to study or do homework to get straight As, never learned good study habits. Same thing once I got to college/grad school where study habits mattered - I did not know how to focus, study, put in the work. I still graduated with good grades - magna cum laude from college, I think, but not law school - but it makes me feel like an idiot knowing I could have done better if I had any study skills. My husband on the other hand learned great study habits early on, because he needed to use those study habits to get good grades, whereas I skated on whatever "smarts" I had without studying. I envy his knowledge of how to be a good student - I don't have that. I wish I did.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Floor and ceiling detectability levels differ depending on the test and age group for which it is used: WAIS, WAIC, or WPPSI are examples, all Wechsler tests. So there may be no such thing as an IQ score greater than 135 for a 2 year old, but for a 10 year old, different story.


OT, but what exactly does 'did not earn a ceiling' mean? I've heard a Psych used the term 'ceiling' quite the opposite of a lay person who seems to know a lot about IQ tests. Tks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

But 12:20's post shows something really interesting: she's assuming her friends have a higher IQ and therefore are in the 140/150 range. Likely they aren't.



I can tell how easily they understand a broad range of topics or obscure theories. It is kind of understood that they are more intelligent than me. The biggest factor is their ability and speed of understanding a previously unexplained topic. In everyday life, I see a lot of people that do not have the same level of ability. When I talk to someone around or above my level, it is obvious rather quickly. I've known these friends for many years. My IQ is 140. I would wager a lot of money that these friends are in the 140/150 range.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:hi which experts are you talking about, who say scores of 150+ are "bullshit"?

There are a lot of them that don't say that.

You seem to feel so strongly about it -- are you the parent of a kid with in IQ of 135, perchance?








No. Are you an assh^le, perchance? If you don't know the name of the firm most well-known for accurately testing the IQ of children in this small town, you are not putting your high IQ to very good use.
Sure, there are a lot "experts" out there who will take your money and tell you just about anything to make you happy, but the honest ones with the great reputations will not. And they don't. And they told me that they don't. Not with respect to either of my children, who have never been tested, but in the course of an in-depth conversation I had about the nature of IQ testing in general with the name partner of that firm.

Who also said that although they will test children younger than 5 at the behest of the private schools, they are very constrained as to what they can measure. You want an accurate score? Bring your child back when he or she is 7 or 8.

Nuff said.


This has nothing to do with a high IQ. Why don't you stop beating around the bush and just post the name of the firm?


Generally those with a high IQ have a modicum of resourcefulness. I'll not post the name so as to avoid a flurry of contacts and emails to this firm and its partner saying that someone on DCUM says you said this; please tell me it isn't so. But, unlike someone stated in another post on this thread, not everyone can be paid a price to tell you that your kid has an IQ that cannot accurately be measured. Think about it for a second: If you have an IQ of 135, you're in the top 99.95% of the population (or something like that). How exactly are they supposed to accurately measure large differences within such a very, very, very small group? You pay someone to take a guess, but it won't mean anything.

There are certainly people that have IQs above 135, and teachers start to discern them over time and by accomplishment. But to give those IQs a number? With any measure of certainty? No way.
Anonymous
NP here. This is as awesome as the 'my zipcode is better than your zipcode' argument. You guys are the best.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I had a nearly identical experience to the 11:09. I have several friends in the 140/150 range. We can't be all that rare.


It is quite rare in the general population, actually. But not surprising in that there's a self-selection factor here, too. People become friends with others they can relate to. My guess is this is one of the many reasons you and your friends connect well. Not because you KNOW you all have high IQs, but because perhaps you think about things in a similar way (complex/abstract/analytic/whatever) and it makes it easy to relate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"How does an adult go about testing their IQ? As a child I was tested and scored reasonably high, but nowdays, I really can't imagine being that much above average. Could my IQ have lowered? And no, this is not a fake post. I'm seriously curious. "

My understanding is that the testing isn't reliable if it is done before the older elementary years.


Your understanding is correct.


The research on this is explained well in NurtureShock by Po Bronson. And yet there seems to be a trend in the other direction. Just saw an article about how the NY public schools may start doing IQ testing for kids as young as 3 to screen/identify G&T candidates. Completely contradictory to what the research shows about reliability of IQ testing for those under 7 or so.
Anonymous
OP here, I made a typo this morning, I meant to say, I didn't know what flavor my kid likes at DQ not IQ sorry for the confusion.
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I know it's more fun to just argue about this stuff without any verifiable factual constraints, but if anyone is interested in actually reading about how this all works, I'd recommend this guy: http://faculty.education.uiowa.edu/dlohman/ .

I think Lohman would agree that the tests are less accurate at very young ages, maybe correctly predicting only about 25% of those that will continue to test as "gifted" 10-15 years later (which is actually a pretty impressive prediction if you think about it). But I think he'd say that by the time kids reach 3rd or 4th grade, he can make some fairly good predictions about their future giftedness designations.

I don't know (or care) who the most well-known firm in DC for IQ testing is, so I'm not really qualified to judge whether someone like Lohman speaks with more experience in the area. I'll let others address that.

Carry on.
Anonymous
Think about it, folks. We're in DC. We have a firm of experts in the field of intelligence testing. My bet is that they're pretty damn good, and I can tell you from my experience with them as an adult that they are good at a multitude of things.

Let's consider this again for a moment: If you have an IQ of 135, you're in the top 99% (or more) of the population. Does it really take a super-genius to understand that, beyond that, it is very hard to measure IQ in a way that is statistically reliable? I don't know, but I'm guessing that those out there with IQs truly above 135 should be able to grasp this concept, albeit at the expense of their egos (for themselves or their children).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All this talk about whose IQ is what and how my kid really does, too, have an IQ of 145 or whatever is obsuring the very important point that 11:09 made. Sometimes a very high IQ can be a burden to a child in learning work habits before it is too late. I could have written 11:09's story word-for-word. Sometimes it's a wonder to me how I managed to succeed at all given my pathetic study habits. I've learned some work habits as an adult, but not the ones some of my very successful colleagues in grad school had - they were machines.

My kids attend private school in part because I want them to learn good work habits. Their WPPSI scores are in the mid-90s percentile. I would call them bright, not genuises, but I don't care about the label or the number. What I care about far more is that they learn to love school and learning and that they develop good work habits.


This is me as well. 99th percentile on every standardized test I ever took as a child, never had to study or do homework to get straight As, never learned good study habits. Same thing once I got to college/grad school where study habits mattered - I did not know how to focus, study, put in the work. I still graduated with good grades - magna cum laude from college, I think, but not law school - but it makes me feel like an idiot knowing I could have done better if I had any study skills. My husband on the other hand learned great study habits early on, because he needed to use those study habits to get good grades, whereas I skated on whatever "smarts" I had without studying. I envy his knowledge of how to be a good student - I don't have that. I wish I did.


Same, same, same here!! When I read Carol Dweck's book (Mindset: The New Psychology of Success), it was a revleation. Growing up, everyone (and every test) told me how smart I was, but for whatever reason I took that as a green light to coast on natural talent rather than develop good work habits. This bit me in the ass later, and it was only late in college and then in grad school that I learned how to "apply myself," as they say.

As for DH, I'm awed that he is both "smarter" than me (no IQ stats to verify, but I see it) AND learned better work habits from an earlier age. I chalk that last bit up to parenting -- my in laws did not dwell on his brilliance (although they certainly challenged him with every advanced opportunity they could find) -- they focused instead on praising effort and hard work, just as the "experts" now recommend. I admire them for that!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Think about it, folks. We're in DC. We have a firm of experts in the field of intelligence testing. My bet is that they're pretty damn good, and I can tell you from my experience with them as an adult that they are good at a multitude of things.

Let's consider this again for a moment: If you have an IQ of 135, you're in the top 99% (or more) of the population. Does it really take a super-genius to understand that, beyond that, it is very hard to measure IQ in a way that is statistically reliable? I don't know, but I'm guessing that those out there with IQs truly above 135 should be able to grasp this concept, albeit at the expense of their egos (for themselves or their children).


Even 1% of the world population would be about 70 million. Yes, very hard to extrapolate to such a small group of people. Some good reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_IQ_society

I like this part "Measurements above 99.99997th percentile are dubious as there are insufficient normative cases upon which to base a statistically justified correlation. In 2010, the United States population normal expectation for the number of persons with IQ over 175 (sd15) is about 90."

There is no "topping out" at 135, it CAN be measured. And obviously a big difference between 135 and 175...
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