MCPS CEO Program and Discipline Report in the Spotlight at County Council Committee Meetings

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WOW.

So many rapes (including in an elementary school!), sexual assaults and assault & batteries.

I had no idea.



My point is: who cares about the bias incidents (swastika drawn on a desk, for example, like in my kid's high school) when there is far worse going on!!! It's as if everyone is comfortable talking about that, but no one is comfortable talking about the truly disturbing, trauma-inducing attacks.



Different people care about different things, and hate/bias graffiti shouldn't be ignored just because other things are going on in a school. All of it creates a culture of stress and, at times, fear in schools, and that is harmful for learning, to say the least. These different types of incidents get addressed differently, as they should. But they should be addressed.
Anonymous
ModeratelyMoco wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
ModeratelyMoco wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The school data is kind of eye opening in terms of the level and type of problems.


Keep in mind that they only call in the more serious stuff and this is in school only


I think my surprise came from where the volume had been coming from. And seriously, traffic violations being included in a report about violence, theft, sexual assault . . . It was distracting.


I had that thought too


The police have reported all school service calls received from MCPS, so traffic gets included.
Anonymous
I think the data is eye opening. There seems to be even more unrest and disorder at middle schools, in some respects, than high schools. Look at the mental health calls to elementary schools for example. No clue if those are for students or teachers/staff or someone else. But I guess I just thought most stuff happened in the high schools.
Anonymous
There’s no way that data is complete. I know of several incidents that didn’t make the list. This is at a W middle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There’s no way that data is complete. I know of several incidents that didn’t make the list. This is at a W middle.


So, police were called and showed up? Or something happened and MCPS did not call MCPD?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.


It seems like removing SROs had the opposite effect. Things seem to be better judging by their data.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.


Agree, I can't help but wonder. Did MCPD just throw in the towel when they removed SROs. It seems like they're no longer even trying to police schools even though it's their job.
ModeratelyMoco
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.


I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.


It seems like removing SROs had the opposite effect. Things seem to be better judging by their data.

I think you don't know how to read data, or understand why the County is meeting again about school safety, or why the schools implement CEO 2.0.
Anonymous
ModeratelyMoco wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.


I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?
ModeratelyMoco
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Anonymous wrote:
ModeratelyMoco wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.


I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?


I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution


Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?


I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.


Agree, I can't help but wonder. Did MCPD just throw in the towel when they removed SROs. It seems like they're no longer even trying to police schools even though it's their job.


This is a joke, right? You’re aware that MCPD was kicked out of the schools, correct? That the exec and council decided police should not be affiliated with the schools? After they were kicked out, MCPS would have to call the police to have police involved. They can’t show up if they don’t know there’s a problem.

Looking for someone to blame? Elrich and the council. You don’t have to go any further than that. This is their mess.
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