MCPS CEO Program and Discipline Report in the Spotlight at County Council Committee Meetings

[Anonymous]

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

Some CEOs are in schools. They are not roaming the hallways. There is still little room for relationship building with students or preventive policing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

It seems like removing SROs had the opposite effect. Things seem to be better judging by their data.

While school service calls are down, actual police reports are up. If they continue at this pace, it will end the year about 50% worse than last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

Some CEOs are in schools. They are not roaming the hallways. There is still little room for relationship building with students or preventive policing.

Then what's the difference between CEO and CEO 2.0?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

Some CEOs are in schools. They are not roaming the hallways. There is still little room for relationship building with students or preventive policing.

Then what's the difference between CEO and CEO 2.0?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2023/20230320/20230320_PSEC1.pdf

The new model increased CEO presence on campus at the discretion of individual schools, thereby making CEOs more visible and providing opportunities for non-enforcement engagement and relationship building. This was not a return to the prior SRO program, but it does provide some limited opportunities for preventive policing.

For a more detailed overview of the multiple program changes, please see staff report, Community Engagement Officers Memorandum of Understanding- Montgomery County Public Schools and County Police Departments

CEO 2.0 doesn't seem all that different:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2022/20220426/20220426_8.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

Some CEOs are in schools. They are not roaming the hallways. There is still little room for relationship building with students or preventive policing.

Then what's the difference between CEO and CEO 2.0?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2023/20230320/20230320_PSEC1.pdf

The new model increased CEO presence on campus at the discretion of individual schools, thereby making CEOs more visible and providing opportunities for non-enforcement engagement and relationship building. This was not a return to the prior SRO program, but it does provide some limited opportunities for preventive policing.

For a more detailed overview of the multiple program changes, please see staff report, Community Engagement Officers Memorandum of Understanding- Montgomery County Public Schools and County Police Departments

CEO 2.0 doesn't seem all that different:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2022/20220426/20220426_8.pdf

CEO 2.0 and SRO are not very different. They just can’t be involved in discipline, they only deal with crime.

Same exact people, in the same exact schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

Some CEOs are in schools. They are not roaming the hallways. There is still little room for relationship building with students or preventive policing.

Then what's the difference between CEO and CEO 2.0?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2023/20230320/20230320_PSEC1.pdf

The new model increased CEO presence on campus at the discretion of individual schools, thereby making CEOs more visible and providing opportunities for non-enforcement engagement and relationship building. This was not a return to the prior SRO program, but it does provide some limited opportunities for preventive policing.

For a more detailed overview of the multiple program changes, please see staff report, Community Engagement Officers Memorandum of Understanding- Montgomery County Public Schools and County Police Departments

CEO 2.0 doesn't seem all that different:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2022/20220426/20220426_8.pdf

CEO 2.0 and SRO are not very different. They just can’t be involved in discipline, they only deal with crime.

Same exact people, in the same exact schools.

police were never involved in discipline.

ceo 2.0 allows individual schools to invite ceos into the office. they have desk space. they aren’t really interacting with kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

Some CEOs are in schools. They are not roaming the hallways. There is still little room for relationship building with students or preventive policing.

Then what's the difference between CEO and CEO 2.0?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2023/20230320/20230320_PSEC1.pdf

The new model increased CEO presence on campus at the discretion of individual schools, thereby making CEOs more visible and providing opportunities for non-enforcement engagement and relationship building. This was not a return to the prior SRO program, but it does provide some limited opportunities for preventive policing.

For a more detailed overview of the multiple program changes, please see staff report, Community Engagement Officers Memorandum of Understanding- Montgomery County Public Schools and County Police Departments

CEO 2.0 doesn't seem all that different:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2022/20220426/20220426_8.pdf

CEO 2.0 and SRO are not very different. They just can’t be involved in discipline, they only deal with crime.

Same exact people, in the same exact schools.

police were never involved in discipline.

ceo 2.0 allows individual schools to invite ceos into the office. they have desk space. they aren’t really interacting with kids.

Yes. SROs were involved in discipline now they aren’t.

They have desks and interact with kids. No real change except discipline.

[Anonymous]

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

CEO 2.0 was always the plan for year it was executed.

The CEO’s are the exact same humans that were the SROs with extra training. Yes they named the CEO’s for political reasons.

CEOs are assigned to clusters for backup when a CEO is I’ll or on vacation.

[Anonymous]

They’re seriously renaming these people “CEOs”? No. Just no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

ModeratelyMoco wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t we had enough threads on this? No, I do not want SROs back in schools. They’re not the solution

Really, you do not care about this fact: ???


Public safety is in the gutter due to policies enacted in recent years and our schools are both less safe and teaching students less. . .“SROs were removed from schools in 2021 and violence (second article) and drug use has skyrocketed since in MCPS. Some community members say MCPS was safer with SROs. Following the in MCPS school shooting at Magruder HS, MCPS reconsidered this and eventually came up with CEO 2.0 and brought Community Engagement Officers back into schools. In fact, there is recent data showing that Black and Hispanic students percentage of suspensions for discipline has actually increased since SROs were removed (which is part of the problem removing them was supposed to solve). That article did not go into the violence or other types of suspensions but the full Maryland report can be see here.


PP: when you say you do not care if Black and Hispanic students are expelled at increasing rates, what does that make YOU ?

I am confused why people think this is some smoking gun about removing SROs from schools. There are a lot of other things going on besides the removal of SROs.

Whatever is going on, violence is up. Drug use in bathrooms are out of control.

Why do you think both MCPS and now the County Council are looking into school safety again, and why some MCPS schools have implemented CEO 2.0?

We need all hands on deck, and SROs or CEO 2.0 can be part of the solution. It's not a panacea. Not even RJ is a panacea. But we can use every tool we have to address these serious issues.

I believe CEO 2.0 is at all schools. Some schools are actually bringing SROs back essentially by having them there full time in building (unless needed elsewhere in cluster).

As far as other comment about MCPD, they’re trying to leave less serious issues to MCPS to handle (which they should) but MCPS is not doing much about any of it (imo). We’ll get more into that in the next part on the restorative justice practices. These RJ practices can be useful in some circumstances but in others serve to re victimize the victims and don’t provide much accountability to the offenders.

1000% agree

I thought I read that CEO 2.0 is at the discretion of the Principals, so not all schools have the CEO 2.0 where they are allowed to walk the halls.

So, some schools have CEO 2.0. How are they different to SROs? It is just a label change?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure MCPS went fully into CEO 2.0 across the system after Magruder. There may be some up to discretion by principals though. There are a lot of similarities though the kept them name so that politicians don’t have to be accountable for removing them. Im not an expert but there are other differences in training. The CEOs also are cluster wide whereas SROs were mainly in HS though they could go to other cluster schools when requested.

Some CEOs are in schools. They are not roaming the hallways. There is still little room for relationship building with students or preventive policing.

Then what's the difference between CEO and CEO 2.0?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2023/20230320/20230320_PSEC1.pdf

The new model increased CEO presence on campus at the discretion of individual schools, thereby making CEOs more visible and providing opportunities for non-enforcement engagement and relationship building. This was not a return to the prior SRO program, but it does provide some limited opportunities for preventive policing.

For a more detailed overview of the multiple program changes, please see staff report, Community Engagement Officers Memorandum of Understanding- Montgomery County Public Schools and County Police Departments

CEO 2.0 doesn't seem all that different:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2022/20220426/20220426_8.pdf

CEO 2.0 and SRO are not very different. They just can’t be involved in discipline, they only deal with crime.

Same exact people, in the same exact schools.

police were never involved in discipline.

ceo 2.0 allows individual schools to invite ceos into the office. they have desk space. they aren’t really interacting with kids.

Yes. SROs were involved in discipline now they aren’t.

They have desks and interact with kids. No real change except discipline.

Prove they were involved in discipline. Because their MOUs since 2017 forbid it.

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Huh -- RM went from 1 "other" to 34 "other" reports. I wonder what's in that "other"?