So how many IB are going to really be at Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:You're making too much of any distinction between Feeder and IB. If you care about academics, the relevant number is Feeder. That's something like 45-50, from what I understand.

This is true. There's several OB kids from feeder schools attending the 6th grade "honor" classes in math and English.

Go take a look. Ask Principal Pride for a guided tour during, for instance, the 8:45-9:30 slot (go see the 6th grade honor English class).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're making too much of any distinction between Feeder and IB. If you care about academics, the relevant number is Feeder. That's something like 45-50, from what I understand.

This is true. There's several OB kids from feeder schools attending the 6th grade "honor" classes in math and English.

Go take a look. Ask Principal Pride for a guided tour during, for instance, the 8:45-9:30 slot (go see the 6th grade honor English class).

Do the kids wear buttons on their uniforms designating:

IB
OOB
OOB but high performer
OOB but from feeder
OOB low performer from Brent
OOB low performer from low performing DCPS

[Anonymous]

No , but I am sure you'll identify the OB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're making too much of any distinction between Feeder and IB. If you care about academics, the relevant number is Feeder. That's something like 45-50, from what I understand.

That's right. Every student from a feeder school is already performing at a high level. Those numbers have increased impressively.

You must be joking. There are kids in Hardy feeders who are not performing at their grade level. How is that "high level" ?!

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Anonymous wrote:So.....this uniform business is all about parents' concerns that THEY will be judged by THEIR peers for sending their child to a "ghetto school". Way to parent. Three cheers for self-involved, shallow and vapid.

I think it has more do to do with concern that Hardy has felt the need to embrace aspects of a tough zero tolerance culture that is more characteristic of turn-around measures employed at chaotic failing urban schools.

Interesting. Cause for years on this board the complaint has been that Hardy has not been cracking down enough on discipline issues and that it is overly tolerant of misbehavior.

For too many on this board, poor old Hardy just can't win....

For too many on this board and Ward 3, Hardy is winning and they are disturbed by it, for various reasons. List include proponents of a Ward 3 charter school , private school constituency (incl. administrators and parents), misinformed parents who have never stepped into the school, segregationists.

I am a parent whose 7th grader is attending a private school just blocks from Hardy. I am very familiar with the anti-Hardy litany. And I am also familiar with the facts that the anti-Hardy arguments are now starting to crack. And the truth is that if a wave of just, let's say, 30 additional families from feeder schools adhered to Hardy next year (which would make a definitive turnaround, following this year IB and feeders school numbers), the Ward 3 middle school landscape and perspectives would look very different. And adverse to the proponents of the charterization or privatization of schools in the District.

We did not feel sure about Hardy 2 years ago (eldest son was in 5th grade at an IB feeder school) . Ms Pride has just been appointed when she received us (literally 3 months before), she did not look solid and consolidated yet, had still to build a vision for the school and programming together with DCPS and the feeder school PTO. We did not feel taking the risk for our son.

We will definitely reassess the situation in one year for our second son (currently in 4th grade). Two families in my block have 6th graders at Hardy. Families and kids look very happy with the school. One of the parents shared with me a few remarks on areas where the school could still do better, however the list I have for our private school is definitely longer that theirs for Hardy!!

And by the way, they gave me the NUMBERS for 6th grade, which are pretty much consistent with what I just finished reading in this post: 43 kids from feeder schools, 26 IB students, plus 7 kids from Brent elementary in Capitol Hill which is a very good school. The numbers were passed to them from the Principal.

I bet that the "segregationist" private schools administrators at St Alban's, Sidwell Friends, etc are just panicked over Hardy's rise.

They claim, and I believe them, they receive applications in numbers which are multiples of their available slots ... Still they ability to "cherry-pick" the best students will be diminished. The most affected schools will be the mid-tier schools: British, Holy Trinity, Field School... Plus the charters (Basis) and the proposed Ward 3 middle school .

Man, you must have stumbled into some of Marion Barry's private crack stash. This is nonsensical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So.....this uniform business is all about parents' concerns that THEY will be judged by THEIR peers for sending their child to a "ghetto school". Way to parent. Three cheers for self-involved, shallow and vapid.

I think it has more do to do with concern that Hardy has felt the need to embrace aspects of a tough zero tolerance culture that is more characteristic of turn-around measures employed at chaotic failing urban schools.

Interesting. Cause for years on this board the complaint has been that Hardy has not been cracking down enough on discipline issues and that it is overly tolerant of misbehavior.

For too many on this board, poor old Hardy just can't win....

For too many on this board and Ward 3, Hardy is winning and they are disturbed by it, for various reasons. List include proponents of a Ward 3 charter school , private school constituency (incl. administrators and parents), misinformed parents who have never stepped into the school, segregationists.

I am a parent whose 7th grader is attending a private school just blocks from Hardy. I am very familiar with the anti-Hardy litany. And I am also familiar with the facts that the anti-Hardy arguments are now starting to crack. And the truth is that if a wave of just, let's say, 30 additional families from feeder schools adhered to Hardy next year (which would make a definitive turnaround, following this year IB and feeders school numbers), the Ward 3 middle school landscape and perspectives would look very different. And adverse to the proponents of the charterization or privatization of schools in the District.

We did not feel sure about Hardy 2 years ago (eldest son was in 5th grade at an IB feeder school) . Ms Pride has just been appointed when she received us (literally 3 months before), she did not look solid and consolidated yet, had still to build a vision for the school and programming together with DCPS and the feeder school PTO. We did not feel taking the risk for our son.

We will definitely reassess the situation in one year for our second son (currently in 4th grade). Two families in my block have 6th graders at Hardy. Families and kids look very happy with the school. One of the parents shared with me a few remarks on areas where the school could still do better, however the list I have for our private school is definitely longer that theirs for Hardy!!

And by the way, they gave me the NUMBERS for 6th grade, which are pretty much consistent with what I just finished reading in this post: 43 kids from feeder schools, 26 IB students, plus 7 kids from Brent elementary in Capitol Hill which is a very good school. The numbers were passed to them from the Principal.

I bet that the "segregationist" private schools administrators at St Alban's, Sidwell Friends, etc are just panicked over Hardy's rise.

They claim, and I believe them, they receive applications in numbers which are multiples of their available slots ... Still they ability to "cherry-pick" the best students will be diminished. The most affected schools will be the mid-tier schools: British, Holy Trinity, Field School... Plus the charters (Basis) and the proposed Ward 3 middle school .

Man, you must have stumbled into some of Marion Barry's private crack stash. This is nonsensical.

Why nonsensical? Don't you know that, just to make an example, St Ann Academy (a private elementary/middle school in Tenleytown) is closing this year due to the drop in enrollment (see article below, "... enrollment has dropped from 250 students during the 90s to just 139 in 2014...") , and the drop in applications over time has paralleled the rise in neighborhood enrollment in Janney/Deal as their academic performance improved?

Read the articles. You are obviously not from Ward 3.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/northwest-washingtons-st-anns-academy-to-close/2014/03/07/ed638560-a647-11e3-9cff-b1406de784f0_story.html

http://www.currentnewspapers.com/admin/uploadfiles/NW%2003-12-2014.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:So.....this uniform business is all about parents' concerns that THEY will be judged by THEIR peers for sending their child to a "ghetto school". Way to parent. Three cheers for self-involved, shallow and vapid.

I think it has more do to do with concern that Hardy has felt the need to embrace aspects of a tough zero tolerance culture that is more characteristic of turn-around measures employed at chaotic failing urban schools.

Interesting. Cause for years on this board the complaint has been that Hardy has not been cracking down enough on discipline issues and that it is overly tolerant of misbehavior.

For too many on this board, poor old Hardy just can't win....

For too many on this board and Ward 3, Hardy is winning and they are disturbed by it, for various reasons. List include proponents of a Ward 3 charter school , private school constituency (incl. administrators and parents), misinformed parents who have never stepped into the school, segregationists.

I am a parent whose 7th grader is attending a private school just blocks from Hardy. I am very familiar with the anti-Hardy litany. And I am also familiar with the facts that the anti-Hardy arguments are now starting to crack. And the truth is that if a wave of just, let's say, 30 additional families from feeder schools adhered to Hardy next year (which would make a definitive turnaround, following this year IB and feeders school numbers), the Ward 3 middle school landscape and perspectives would look very different. And adverse to the proponents of the charterization or privatization of schools in the District.

We did not feel sure about Hardy 2 years ago (eldest son was in 5th grade at an IB feeder school) . Ms Pride has just been appointed when she received us (literally 3 months before), she did not look solid and consolidated yet, had still to build a vision for the school and programming together with DCPS and the feeder school PTO. We did not feel taking the risk for our son.

We will definitely reassess the situation in one year for our second son (currently in 4th grade). Two families in my block have 6th graders at Hardy. Families and kids look very happy with the school. One of the parents shared with me a few remarks on areas where the school could still do better, however the list I have for our private school is definitely longer that theirs for Hardy!!

And by the way, they gave me the NUMBERS for 6th grade, which are pretty much consistent with what I just finished reading in this post: 43 kids from feeder schools, 26 IB students, plus 7 kids from Brent elementary in Capitol Hill which is a very good school. The numbers were passed to them from the Principal.

I bet that the "segregationist" private schools administrators at St Alban's, Sidwell Friends, etc are just panicked over Hardy's rise.

They claim, and I believe them, they receive applications in numbers which are multiples of their available slots ... Still they ability to "cherry-pick" the best students will be diminished. The most affected schools will be the mid-tier schools: British, Holy Trinity, Field School... Plus the charters (Basis) and the proposed Ward 3 middle school .

Man, you must have stumbled into some of Marion Barry's private crack stash. This is nonsensical.

Why nonsensical? Don't you know that, just to make an example, St Ann Academy (a private elementary/middle school in Tenleytown) is closing this year due to the drop in enrollment (see article below, "... enrollment has dropped from 250 students during the 90s to just 139 in 2014...") , and the drop in applications over time has paralleled the rise in neighborhood enrollment in Janney/Deal as their academic performance improved?

Read the articles. You are obviously not from Ward 3.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/northwest-washingtons-st-anns-academy-to-close/2014/03/07/ed638560-a647-11e3-9cff-b1406de784f0_story.html

http://www.currentnewspapers.com/admin/uploadfiles/NW%2003-12-2014.pdf

Most families in the 400-600k income range with multiple kids actually can't comfortably afford private school (take home = 200-300k, giant mortgage, nanny, etc). They do it at the expense of their kids inheritance because they either 1) want to keep up with the Joneses or 2) feel that DCPS is bad. An improving Hardy really does rock the private school boat. I'm IB and all the families I know who are well off but not truly loaded would go public in a hot minute if they felt confident. The PP is not crazy at all.

[Anonymous]

I agree.
I have always thought that the vivid animosity against Hardy in this thread can only come from people with some stakes in either the private school sector or charters.
If you are an IB family, i.e. you own a real estate property in the area, you would see Hardy's recent dynamic with a favorable and supporting eye. Unless the undergoing efforts and positive results are harming your vested interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree.
I have always thought that the vivid animosity against Hardy in this thread can only come from people with some stakes in either the private school sector or charters.
If you are an IB family, i.e. you own a real estate property in the area, you would see Hardy's recent dynamic with a favorable and supporting eye. Unless the undergoing efforts and positive results are harming your vested interests.

Exactly. But one need only look at the number of pages (67 and counting) and views (almost 20k) to see that people are really watching this closely. At Key, there are so many families for whom private would be really, really taxing . . . but there is also such peer pressure against Hardy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're making too much of any distinction between Feeder and IB. If you care about academics, the relevant number is Feeder. That's something like 45-50, from what I understand.

That's right. Every student from a feeder school is already performing at a high level. Those numbers have increased impressively.

You must be joking. There are kids in Hardy feeders who are not performing at their grade level. How is that "high level" ?!

Really? Which feeder?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're making too much of any distinction between Feeder and IB. If you care about academics, the relevant number is Feeder. That's something like 45-50, from what I understand.

That's right. Every student from a feeder school is already performing at a high level. Those numbers have increased impressively.

You must be joking. There are kids in Hardy feeders who are not performing at their grade level. How is that "high level" ?!

Really? Which feeder?

Come on Captain Obvious. There's not a school in DC that is at 100% proficiency. The whole premise of the initial comment - the impossible standard set by OP that a school cannot be at a high level if there is even a single kid not at grade level - and the obtuse response by PP are both pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree.
I have always thought that the vivid animosity against Hardy in this thread can only come from people with some stakes in either the private school sector or charters.
If you are an IB family, i.e. you own a real estate property in the area, you would see Hardy's recent dynamic with a favorable and supporting eye. Unless the undergoing efforts and positive results are harming your vested interests.

Exactly. But one need only look at the number of pages (67 and counting) and views (almost 20k) to see that people are really watching this closely. At Key, there are so many families for whom private would be really, really taxing . . . but there is also such peer pressure against Hardy.

It is possible to live IB, observe the actions of Hardy students when not in school (uniforms visible), and be impressed or unimpressed. The 67 pages could be 5 or 500 posters.

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Anonymous wrote:So.....this uniform business is all about parents' concerns that THEY will be judged by THEIR peers for sending their child to a "ghetto school". Way to parent. Three cheers for self-involved, shallow and vapid.

I think it has more do to do with concern that Hardy has felt the need to embrace aspects of a tough zero tolerance culture that is more characteristic of turn-around measures employed at chaotic failing urban schools.

Interesting. Cause for years on this board the complaint has been that Hardy has not been cracking down enough on discipline issues and that it is overly tolerant of misbehavior.

For too many on this board, poor old Hardy just can't win....

For too many on this board and Ward 3, Hardy is winning and they are disturbed by it, for various reasons. List include proponents of a Ward 3 charter school , private school constituency (incl. administrators and parents), misinformed parents who have never stepped into the school, segregationists.

I am a parent whose 7th grader is attending a private school just blocks from Hardy. I am very familiar with the anti-Hardy litany. And I am also familiar with the facts that the anti-Hardy arguments are now starting to crack. And the truth is that if a wave of just, let's say, 30 additional families from feeder schools adhered to Hardy next year (which would make a definitive turnaround, following this year IB and feeders school numbers), the Ward 3 middle school landscape and perspectives would look very different. And adverse to the proponents of the charterization or privatization of schools in the District.

We did not feel sure about Hardy 2 years ago (eldest son was in 5th grade at an IB feeder school) . Ms Pride has just been appointed when she received us (literally 3 months before), she did not look solid and consolidated yet, had still to build a vision for the school and programming together with DCPS and the feeder school PTO. We did not feel taking the risk for our son.

We will definitely reassess the situation in one year for our second son (currently in 4th grade). Two families in my block have 6th graders at Hardy. Families and kids look very happy with the school. One of the parents shared with me a few remarks on areas where the school could still do better, however the list I have for our private school is definitely longer that theirs for Hardy!!

And by the way, they gave me the NUMBERS for 6th grade, which are pretty much consistent with what I just finished reading in this post: 43 kids from feeder schools, 26 IB students, plus 7 kids from Brent elementary in Capitol Hill which is a very good school. The numbers were passed to them from the Principal.

I bet that the "segregationist" private schools administrators at St Alban's, Sidwell Friends, etc are just panicked over Hardy's rise.

They claim, and I believe them, they receive applications in numbers which are multiples of their available slots ... Still they ability to "cherry-pick" the best students will be diminished. The most affected schools will be the mid-tier schools: British, Holy Trinity, Field School... Plus the charters (Basis) and the proposed Ward 3 middle school .

Man, you must have stumbled into some of Marion Barry's private crack stash. This is nonsensical.

Why nonsensical? Don't you know that, just to make an example, St Ann Academy (a private elementary/middle school in Tenleytown) is closing this year due to the drop in enrollment (see article below, "... enrollment has dropped from 250 students during the 90s to just 139 in 2014...") , and the drop in applications over time has paralleled the rise in neighborhood enrollment in Janney/Deal as their academic performance improved?

Read the articles. You are obviously not from Ward 3.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/northwest-washingtons-st-anns-academy-to-close/2014/03/07/ed638560-a647-11e3-9cff-b1406de784f0_story.html

http://www.currentnewspapers.com/admin/uploadfiles/NW%2003-12-2014.pdf

St. Ann's isn't a really a good comparison. Most Catholic schools have struggled in DC and many turned into charters a number of years ago.

You do realize that The Field School added a 6th grade in 2012. That is a better comparison. Many more kids from Hardy feeders choose The Field School ($$) than choose Hardy.

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I knew we could make 1000 replies!

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're making too much of any distinction between Feeder and IB. If you care about academics, the relevant number is Feeder. That's something like 45-50, from what I understand.

That's right. Every student from a feeder school is already performing at a high level. Those numbers have increased impressively.

You must be joking. There are kids in Hardy feeders who are not performing at their grade level. How is that "high level" ?!

Really? Which feeder?

Come on Captain Obvious. There's not a school in DC that is at 100% proficiency. The whole premise of the initial comment - the impossible standard set by OP that a school cannot be at a high level if there is even a single kid not at grade level - and the obtuse response by PP are both pathetic.

I think the original poster's point is that the "OOB" kids coming from the feeder schools are desirable because they are performing at a high level. There's not a frightening amount of difference, academically, between the "IB" feeder kids and the "OOB" feeder kids. The respondent was being obtuse with a misleading, irrelevant stat. I think even Captain Obvious would the respondent's comment to be a smirky smear.