Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New Boundary Study that will “help” with Wheaton’s overcrowding shows:

Option #1: Wheaton [...] would then be above 100% capacity.

Option #2: "All of the high schools would fall between 80% and 100% of enrollment capacity and the majority of the attendance zones would have contiguous boundaries, except for a small area of Wheaton’s attendance zone. "

Option #3: "Wheaton would be slightly above 100% of capacity."

Option #4: "Wheaton [...] would be at about 120% [of capacity]."

https://bethesdamagazine....84YKnifJPw

Most posters on this thread are oblivious to the needs of schools like Wheaton HS and were easily placated by the notion of adding more capacity at Edison.

Ignorant bethesdan here and didn't go to meeting....what is the Edison plan and what's wrong with it? ( assume not expanding the Edison program..?)

They want to put portables at Edison…. For Wheaton students to use because there is NO LAND OR SPACE to put portables at Wheaton. This is not feasible. Kids have huge problems getting to class on time as it is with the size of the school… having them walk 15 mins from another site is NOT going to work. We will continue to be pushed out of our classrooms and made to float. Right now we are having classes in the library and the cafeteria. Let me say that again. Classes in the CAFETERIA. It is not fair for other schools like WJ to be at 77% capacity and Wheaton at 120%. Who in their right mind thinks that is a good idea?

People without empathy. Imagine the uproar if 2 of 4 options left WJ or BCC 20% overcrowded. What a horrible message to send. It's like they decided to send a message to the Latino community to say "Sorry, you don't matter, you are not valued."

The Latino and others in the DCC aren't valued... its pretty clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

Some of us don't have mortgages as we were financially responsible, bought what we could afford at a lower income and never moved. So, we put that extra money into paying off our houses so come college time no mortgage (or better high school when activitiy expenses are high). I'd be thrilled if my property went down $100-200K or more. Less taxes. Think logically.

Look, we get you don't want our kids. We are ok with it. We may have just as much money as you or more but you look down on us because of where or how we live nor do you want your housekeeper or gardener's kids with your kids. Many of us choose not to live in your school district to avoid our kids growing up in that world of entitlement and want them to be down to earth.

The big issue of busing the not so wealthy kids is if they are sick/parents don't have cars, they cannot pick them up easily. Or, get back and forth easily for activities and sports.

The easy solution is to make the less wealthy schools more appealing by providing them with the classes and activities/sports/clubs so people will stay. But, wait, that takes away from the wealthy schools.

You'd be thrilled to have your home lose $100,000-200,000 in value, so that you could save $1000 a year in property taxes? And you are the logical one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t get is why they are insisting using the new school as an excuse to attempt to reengineer the county. Seems like this should be simple — Wheaton and WJ get split and go to the new school. Period.

Because that doesn’t solve the overcrowding at other schools as well. WJ is at 134% and Wheaton at 124%, but Einstein is at 123%, Blair at 113%, and Northwood at 109% as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I don’t get is why they are insisting using the new school as an excuse to attempt to reengineer the county. Seems like this should be simple — Wheaton and WJ get split and go to the new school. Period.

All this nonsense is going to do is deflate property values some places, increase them in others, and cause people with means to shift where they can go to better schools. Trying to force boundary changes isn’t going to work

Do you think Option 1 is "reengineering" the county? Have you even looked at the options or are you just reacting to what people are saying about Option 3?

They’re all reengineering in different ways. Split articulations, breaking up neighborhoods. They need the option for the least change for the most number of kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t get is why they are insisting using the new school as an excuse to attempt to reengineer the county. Seems like this should be simple — Wheaton and WJ get split and go to the new school. Period.

All this nonsense is going to do is deflate property values some places, increase them in others, and cause people with means to shift where they can go to better schools. Trying to force boundary changes isn’t going to work

Do you think Option 1 is "reengineering" the county? Have you even looked at the options or are you just reacting to what people are saying about Option 3?

They’re all reengineering in different ways. Split articulations, breaking up neighborhoods. They need the option for the least change for the most number of kids

Did you know they built 2 new high schools? You are going to have to accept that change is necessary. What you want is for a bunch of schools to stay overcrowded because you can't handle change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t get is why they are insisting using the new school as an excuse to attempt to reengineer the county. Seems like this should be simple — Wheaton and WJ get split and go to the new school. Period.

Because that doesn’t solve the overcrowding at other schools as well. WJ is at 134% and Wheaton at 124%, but Einstein is at 123%, Blair at 113%, and Northwood at 109% as well.

For Blair, move the magnet program to Woodward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don’t get is why they are insisting using the new school as an excuse to attempt to reengineer the county. Seems like this should be simple — Wheaton and WJ get split and go to the new school. Period.

All this nonsense is going to do is deflate property values some places, increase them in others, and cause people with means to shift where they can go to better schools. Trying to force boundary changes isn’t going to work

Do you think Option 1 is "reengineering" the county? Have you even looked at the options or are you just reacting to what people are saying about Option 3?

They’re all reengineering in different ways. Split articulations, breaking up neighborhoods. They need the option for the least change for the most number of kids

Did you know they built 2 new high schools? You are going to have to accept that change is necessary. What you want is for a bunch of schools to stay overcrowded because you can't handle change.

Can’t handle change. lol. Thanks for the laugh this morning. The goal needs to be change for the fewest number of kids, families, neighborhoods. Right now it’s just an excuse to try to break up the Ws and Bcc and everyone can see straight through it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

Some of us don't have mortgages as we were financially responsible, bought what we could afford at a lower income and never moved. So, we put that extra money into paying off our houses so come college time no mortgage (or better high school when activitiy expenses are high). I'd be thrilled if my property went down $100-200K or more. Less taxes. Think logically.

Look, we get you don't want our kids. We are ok with it. We may have just as much money as you or more but you look down on us because of where or how we live nor do you want your housekeeper or gardener's kids with your kids. Many of us choose not to live in your school district to avoid our kids growing up in that world of entitlement and want them to be down to earth.

The big issue of busing the not so wealthy kids is if they are sick/parents don't have cars, they cannot pick them up easily. Or, get back and forth easily for activities and sports.

The easy solution is to make the less wealthy schools more appealing by providing them with the classes and activities/sports/clubs so people will stay. But, wait, that takes away from the wealthy schools.

You'd be thrilled to have your home lose $100,000-200,000 in value, so that you could save $1000 a year in property taxes? And you are the logical one?

You realize what you want is for the county to keep all the low income kids concentrated in certain schools so your property value stays up? How can you look yourself in the mirror?

[Anonymous]

They should move the magnet to the lowest performing school- Kennedy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

Some of us don't have mortgages as we were financially responsible, bought what we could afford at a lower income and never moved. So, we put that extra money into paying off our houses so come college time no mortgage (or better high school when activitiy expenses are high). I'd be thrilled if my property went down $100-200K or more. Less taxes. Think logically.

Look, we get you don't want our kids. We are ok with it. We may have just as much money as you or more but you look down on us because of where or how we live nor do you want your housekeeper or gardener's kids with your kids. Many of us choose not to live in your school district to avoid our kids growing up in that world of entitlement and want them to be down to earth.

The big issue of busing the not so wealthy kids is if they are sick/parents don't have cars, they cannot pick them up easily. Or, get back and forth easily for activities and sports.

The easy solution is to make the less wealthy schools more appealing by providing them with the classes and activities/sports/clubs so people will stay. But, wait, that takes away from the wealthy schools.

You'd be thrilled to have your home lose $100,000-200,000 in value, so that you could save $1000 a year in property taxes? And you are the logical one?

You realize what you want is for the county to keep all the low income kids concentrated in certain schools so your property value stays up? How can you look yourself in the mirror?

Yes surely the people (overly)worked up about property values realize they have invested in inequality….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should move the magnet to the lowest performing school- Kennedy?

That is the whole purpose of magnets if you look up their history in Ed policy — create magnets that would draw wealthier kids to lower ranked schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

Some of us don't have mortgages as we were financially responsible, bought what we could afford at a lower income and never moved. So, we put that extra money into paying off our houses so come college time no mortgage (or better high school when activitiy expenses are high). I'd be thrilled if my property went down $100-200K or more. Less taxes. Think logically.

Look, we get you don't want our kids. We are ok with it. We may have just as much money as you or more but you look down on us because of where or how we live nor do you want your housekeeper or gardener's kids with your kids. Many of us choose not to live in your school district to avoid our kids growing up in that world of entitlement and want them to be down to earth.

The big issue of busing the not so wealthy kids is if they are sick/parents don't have cars, they cannot pick them up easily. Or, get back and forth easily for activities and sports.

The easy solution is to make the less wealthy schools more appealing by providing them with the classes and activities/sports/clubs so people will stay. But, wait, that takes away from the wealthy schools.

You'd be thrilled to have your home lose $100,000-200,000 in value, so that you could save $1000 a year in property taxes? And you are the logical one?

You realize what you want is for the county to keep all the low income kids concentrated in certain schools so your property value stays up? How can you look yourself in the mirror?

Yes surely the people (overly)worked up about property values realize they have invested in inequality….

I mean clearly they know because they are explicitly advocating to keep the schools segregated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

Some of us don't have mortgages as we were financially responsible, bought what we could afford at a lower income and never moved. So, we put that extra money into paying off our houses so come college time no mortgage (or better high school when activitiy expenses are high). I'd be thrilled if my property went down $100-200K or more. Less taxes. Think logically.

Look, we get you don't want our kids. We are ok with it. We may have just as much money as you or more but you look down on us because of where or how we live nor do you want your housekeeper or gardener's kids with your kids. Many of us choose not to live in your school district to avoid our kids growing up in that world of entitlement and want them to be down to earth.

The big issue of busing the not so wealthy kids is if they are sick/parents don't have cars, they cannot pick them up easily. Or, get back and forth easily for activities and sports.

The easy solution is to make the less wealthy schools more appealing by providing them with the classes and activities/sports/clubs so people will stay. But, wait, that takes away from the wealthy schools.

You'd be thrilled to have your home lose $100,000-200,000 in value, so that you could save $1000 a year in property taxes? And you are the logical one?

You realize what you want is for the county to keep all the low income kids concentrated in certain schools so your property value stays up? How can you look yourself in the mirror?

Yes surely the people (overly)worked up about property values realize they have invested in inequality….

I mean clearly they know because they are explicitly advocating to keep the schools segregated.

Schools are likely to be somewhat segregated no matter what. People are going to move to what looks more desirable. It’s just shifting where that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

Some of us don't have mortgages as we were financially responsible, bought what we could afford at a lower income and never moved. So, we put that extra money into paying off our houses so come college time no mortgage (or better high school when activitiy expenses are high). I'd be thrilled if my property went down $100-200K or more. Less taxes. Think logically.

Look, we get you don't want our kids. We are ok with it. We may have just as much money as you or more but you look down on us because of where or how we live nor do you want your housekeeper or gardener's kids with your kids. Many of us choose not to live in your school district to avoid our kids growing up in that world of entitlement and want them to be down to earth.

The big issue of busing the not so wealthy kids is if they are sick/parents don't have cars, they cannot pick them up easily. Or, get back and forth easily for activities and sports.

The easy solution is to make the less wealthy schools more appealing by providing them with the classes and activities/sports/clubs so people will stay. But, wait, that takes away from the wealthy schools.

You'd be thrilled to have your home lose $100,000-200,000 in value, so that you could save $1000 a year in property taxes? And you are the logical one?

You realize what you want is for the county to keep all the low income kids concentrated in certain schools so your property value stays up? How can you look yourself in the mirror?

You just made a lot of assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should move the magnet to the lowest performing school- Kennedy?

+1. If they need more space at Blair move the magnets over to Kennedy. I do not understand why this is never discussed.