ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, IF this were to happen would it be based on specific date ranges regardless of what grade you are in at school? We keep calling it grade year, but isn't it just shifting the age cutoff dates?

For a kid born in say Sept 2013: instead of 1 Jan 2013 - 31 Dec 2013 you are now on a team based around 1 Aug 2013 - 31 Jul 2014?

I think that’s what they are trying to figure out or finalize. Each state has different cutoffs my guess is they will go with Aug 1/July 31 for the majority of US Club teams. ECNL going to grad year and is building contingency plan for hold backs. More than likely they will be allowed to compete with GY team for Soph to SR year teams. U12-U15 will hold the true SY model.

If this all gets approved.

What happens when they use a 1 Aug cutoff, kid was born 31 Aug, and local school cutoff is say Sept 15th for grade? They will be in the higher grade, but miss the 1 Aug deadline and play with younger kids? Is that what you mean by hold backs?

They could play with younger kids in that circumstance. But when this was the cutoff before 2016 those kids, and clubs, tended to have them play up with their classmates. Remember, you can play up, but not down.

If you are in the date ranges how would that be considered playing down? I understand that you mostly play kids in a lower school grade, but if that is a problem then why have age cutoff dates?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, IF this were to happen would it be based on specific date ranges regardless of what grade you are in at school? We keep calling it grade year, but isn't it just shifting the age cutoff dates?

For a kid born in say Sept 2013: instead of 1 Jan 2013 - 31 Dec 2013 you are now on a team based around 1 Aug 2013 - 31 Jul 2014?

I think that’s what they are trying to figure out or finalize. Each state has different cutoffs my guess is they will go with Aug 1/July 31 for the majority of US Club teams. ECNL going to grad year and is building contingency plan for hold backs. More than likely they will be allowed to compete with GY team for Soph to SR year teams. U12-U15 will hold the true SY model.

If this all gets approved.

What happens when they use a 1 Aug cutoff, kid was born 31 Aug, and local school cutoff is say Sept 15th for grade? They will be in the higher grade, but miss the 1 Aug deadline and play with younger kids? Is that what you mean by hold backs?

They could play with younger kids in that circumstance. But when this was the cutoff before 2016 those kids, and clubs, tended to have them play up with their classmates. Remember, you can play up, but not down.

If you are in the date ranges how would that be considered playing down? I understand that you mostly play kids in a lower school grade, but if that is a problem then why have age cutoff dates?

It wouldn't be considered playing down - you can't play down. You could play with kids from the class below you, but that is your official age bracket. You can, however, play up with your classmates. If, for instance, US Soccer, US Club, or USYS recommended clubs tried to play players with class, the clubs could tell the player they won't consider him/her for the lower team. That player may have to shop around for a club willing to go against the recommendation. It has also been floated that after U15 the groups would go to strict class year. So this hypothetical player would effectively be bio-banded down until U15 knowing that they will eventually have to make the jump up.

Most likely, you will see families with soccer parents (knowing their kid will play competitive soccer in kindergarten) holding back their August birthday kid if they are in a school district that uses a Sep 1 cutoff. Before people freak out, we are talking about a small amount of redshirting, just one month, and it's already happening today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, IF this were to happen would it be based on specific date ranges regardless of what grade you are in at school? We keep calling it grade year, but isn't it just shifting the age cutoff dates?

For a kid born in say Sept 2013: instead of 1 Jan 2013 - 31 Dec 2013 you are now on a team based around 1 Aug 2013 - 31 Jul 2014?

I think that’s what they are trying to figure out or finalize. Each state has different cutoffs my guess is they will go with Aug 1/July 31 for the majority of US Club teams. ECNL going to grad year and is building contingency plan for hold backs. More than likely they will be allowed to compete with GY team for Soph to SR year teams. U12-U15 will hold the true SY model.

If this all gets approved.

What happens when they use a 1 Aug cutoff, kid was born 31 Aug, and local school cutoff is say Sept 15th for grade? They will be in the higher grade, but miss the 1 Aug deadline and play with younger kids? Is that what you mean by hold backs?

They could play with younger kids in that circumstance. But when this was the cutoff before 2016 those kids, and clubs, tended to have them play up with their classmates. Remember, you can play up, but not down.

If you are in the date ranges how would that be considered playing down? I understand that you mostly play kids in a lower school grade, but if that is a problem then why have age cutoff dates?

It wouldn't be considered playing down - you can't play down. You could play with kids from the class below you, but that is your official age bracket. You can, however, play up with your classmates. If, for instance, US Soccer, US Club, or USYS recommended clubs tried to play players with class, the clubs could tell the player they won't consider him/her for the lower team. That player may have to shop around for a club willing to go against the recommendation. It has also been floated that after U15 the groups would go to strict class year. So this hypothetical player would effectively be bio-banded down until U15 knowing that they will eventually have to make the jump up.

Most likely, you will see families with soccer parents (knowing their kid will play competitive soccer in kindergarten) holding back their August birthday kid if they are in a school district that uses a Sep 1 cutoff. Before people freak out, we are talking about a small amount of redshirting, just one month, and it's already happening today.

Understood...thank you! We will see what happens for sure. I have a mid-sept kid and the school cutoff is Sept 30 so is one of the youngest in the class by 10 days. But would be one of the older if the age cutoff was 1 Aug. So its got an impact on those few kids in those situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, IF this were to happen would it be based on specific date ranges regardless of what grade you are in at school? We keep calling it grade year, but isn't it just shifting the age cutoff dates?

For a kid born in say Sept 2013: instead of 1 Jan 2013 - 31 Dec 2013 you are now on a team based around 1 Aug 2013 - 31 Jul 2014?

I think that’s what they are trying to figure out or finalize. Each state has different cutoffs my guess is they will go with Aug 1/July 31 for the majority of US Club teams. ECNL going to grad year and is building contingency plan for hold backs. More than likely they will be allowed to compete with GY team for Soph to SR year teams. U12-U15 will hold the true SY model.

If this all gets approved.

Sorry to ask this but what do you mean by SY and GY?
SY = the year your state goes by to determine age for entering first grade?
And GY = graduation year (so it includes all kids held back, goes early, etc)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, IF this were to happen would it be based on specific date ranges regardless of what grade you are in at school? We keep calling it grade year, but isn't it just shifting the age cutoff dates?

For a kid born in say Sept 2013: instead of 1 Jan 2013 - 31 Dec 2013 you are now on a team based around 1 Aug 2013 - 31 Jul 2014?

I think that’s what they are trying to figure out or finalize. Each state has different cutoffs my guess is they will go with Aug 1/July 31 for the majority of US Club teams. ECNL going to grad year and is building contingency plan for hold backs. More than likely they will be allowed to compete with GY team for Soph to SR year teams. U12-U15 will hold the true SY model.

If this all gets approved.

Sorry to ask this but what do you mean by SY and GY?
SY = the year your state goes by to determine age for entering first grade?
And GY = graduation year (so it includes all kids held back, goes early, etc)

SY meaning school year or some type of new cut off dates. GY grad year meaning regardless of when you were born you are placed with kids in your same grade.

[Anonymous]

I think ECNL will do 8/1 to 7/31 and allow a few players up to 1/1 to play down if they are in the same grade. A player can play up if he is capable of being on his grade-year team. That will solve all the trapped players' issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will do 8/1 to 7/31 and allow a few players up to 1/1 to play down if they are in the same grade. A player can play up if he is capable of being on his grade-year team. That will solve all the trapped players' issues.

What? The cutoff dates will serve as a cutoff, no?

[Anonymous]

Meaning they will allow some kids who were hold backs to play with their grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will do 8/1 to 7/31 and allow a few players up to 1/1 to play down if they are in the same grade. A player can play up if he is capable of being on his grade-year team. That will solve all the trapped players' issues.

What? The cutoff dates will serve as a cutoff, no?

The fine print is on ECNL to decide what a fair cutoff is. Grade year is good for team sports. Before becoming ECNL eligible at U14, they have six years to develop in the local team. Playing with friends is always an enjoyable experience, so they are less likely to quit.

[Anonymous]

If ECNL switches the dates to correspond by and large with grade years (ie 9/1 or 8/1 or 7/1), I highly doubt they will then make exceptions for those dates. That would pretty much undermine the concept of switching to those dates in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL switches the dates to correspond by and large with grade years (ie 9/1 or 8/1 or 7/1), I highly doubt they will then make exceptions for those dates. That would pretty much undermine the concept of switching to those dates in the first place.

Good, someone gets it. Switching to Grade Year will cause new problems. They already figured this out and we have Birth Year.

[Anonymous]

Its Grade year with a date cap not a free for all for kids who were held back....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will do 8/1 to 7/31 and allow a few players up to 1/1 to play down if they are in the same grade. A player can play up if he is capable of being on his grade-year team. That will solve all the trapped players' issues.

This makes no sense. If the cutoff is changed to 8/1, then kids between 8/1 and 1/1 would now be playing with their grade year team. They would not be playing up or down. The only kids not playing grade year would be kids who were born before 8/1 and were held back for whatever reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think ECNL will do 8/1 to 7/31 and allow a few players up to 1/1 to play down if they are in the same grade. A player can play up if he is capable of being on his grade-year team. That will solve all the trapped players' issues.

This makes no sense. If the cutoff is changed to 8/1, then kids between 8/1 and 1/1 would now be playing with their grade year team. They would not be playing up or down. The only kids not playing grade year would be kids who were born before 8/1 and were held back for whatever reason.

Kids after 8/1 and choose to go to school one year early. In this case, if he is capable and wants to still play in his grade, then he can stay in his current team to "play up" after the change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If ECNL switches the dates to correspond by and large with grade years (ie 9/1 or 8/1 or 7/1), I highly doubt they will then make exceptions for those dates. That would pretty much undermine the concept of switching to those dates in the first place.

Disagree. If a child is properly in a grade, meaning no holding back for school, I think that approach allows for flexibility of different school cut offs. In Mass our cut off is Sept 1. So my August kid is the youngest in their grade.

If ECNL goes with 8/1 a lot of Northeast teams will have August kids playing below their grade. If they do ‘8/1 unless your proper grade is determined 9/1’ then you’ve got the best alignment for the entire country.