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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.


Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.


Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.


DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?


Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.


20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican


Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.


Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.


This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.



You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.


Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.


African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.


Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/


Misinformation there. Bad site.


That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.


Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.


How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.


FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.


So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data


Because gun control is a political thing, to disarm your political opponents so they can be rounded up. Always been that way. So the Socialists skew data to fit an agenda.


NRA lobbyists thwart any sort of government research or standardized data collection related to gun violence, so anyone can define a mass shooting however they want.


Curious how old are you? NRA hasn't been a big lobby thing really in 2 decades. They basically do nothing. Just a club.


Ah, ok. Just a club. So who’s thwarting it now? NSSF?


300+ million Americans who realize gun control is a scam.
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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.


Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.


Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.


DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?


Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.


20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican


Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.


Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.


This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.



You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.


Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.


African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.


Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/


Misinformation there. Bad site.


That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.


Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.


How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.


FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.


So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data


Because gun control is a political thing, to disarm your political opponents so they can be rounded up. Always been that way. So the Socialists skew data to fit an agenda.

so anyone can define a mass shooting however they want.


It's a pointless term and only for propaganda purposes. It has been worn out, nobody cares now.


How about “massacre of schoolchildren with a gun”? Do people care about that?


Sounds even more silly and hysterical/crazy.
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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.


Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.


Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.


DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?


Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.


20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican


Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.


Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.


This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.



You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.


Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.


African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.


Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/


Misinformation there. Bad site.


That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.


Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.


How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.


FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.


So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data


No one said they were unimportant. All human lives are important.

How you examine data depends on the question you are trying to answer. And if you are trying to prove a point, your data should be relevant to that point.

You are a pot stirrer, huh.



(DP). I agree. More than half of these school shooters are white and they are overwhelmingly male. I think that’s worth exploring. Is it something in white culture? Is there something in non-white cultures that discourages school shooters?

The fact that Black / non-white males are more often the perpetrators of gang violence / domestic violence (if true) seems irrelevant here. But, that’s certainly a conversation that society should be having too, just not here.


There are metal detectors in the black and Hispanic schools to prevent shootings. Schools in the inner city are ironically safer this way. Maybe instead of gay pride lessons, metal detectors can help suburban schools


ACLU helped remove metal detectors in my majority minority city in the 80s/90s bc they are discriminatory. At white majority schools they are allowed for safety. 🤔
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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.


Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.


Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.


DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?


Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.


20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican


Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.


Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.


This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.



You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.


Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.


African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.


Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/


Misinformation there. Bad site.


That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.


Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.


How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.


FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.


So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data


No one said they were unimportant. All human lives are important.

How you examine data depends on the question you are trying to answer. And if you are trying to prove a point, your data should be relevant to that point.

You are a pot stirrer, huh.



(DP). I agree. More than half of these school shooters are white and they are overwhelmingly male. I think that’s worth exploring. Is it something in white culture? Is there something in non-white cultures that discourages school shooters?

The fact that Black / non-white males are more often the perpetrators of gang violence / domestic violence (if true) seems irrelevant here. But, that’s certainly a conversation that society should be having too, just not here.


There are metal detectors in the black and Hispanic schools to prevent shootings. Schools in the inner city are ironically safer this way. Maybe instead of gay pride lessons, metal detectors can help suburban schools


ACLU helped remove metal detectors in my majority minority city in the 80s/90s bc they are discriminatory. At white majority schools they are allowed for safety. 🤔


Sample of articles…

https://www.edweek.org/education/in-detroit-metal-detector-searches-hit-legal-snags/1986/01

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-challenges-detroit-police-over-mass-searches-public-school-students

https://www.aclumich.org/en/press-releases/students-sue-end-unconstitutional-searches-detroit-public-schools-aclu-michigan
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I think poor people are living more in reality where they aren't raised to some ideal they have to reject or not live up to. This makes them feel less like failures. Lots of people are messed up so if they are messed up too they actually might fit in more. They dont have as much money to pull it off and aren't around kids that most Americans would care about as much. There still are some. Uvalde was a minority majority school.
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Anonymous wrote:I like Senator Kloubichar but it really upset me how she went on the news talking about how this is such a tragedy… lady you are in the ONLY position to change this. And you’re on tv going “wow this is terrible, oh well nothing we can do about it”. Are you for real? DO YOUR JOB.

I think all congress people are gaslighting us.


What are you talking about? Senator Klobuchar would put stronger gun control in place in a nanosecond. It's the crazy Republicans who sit around and squeal like piglets about their precious 2nd amendment when Democrats suggest something as minor as strengthening background checks.


What are YOU talking about? She’s been a senator since 2007. Once Obama took office on 2009, Democrats had the trifecta of power. They controlled both houses. Why didn’t she put stronger gun controls in place 16 years ago?? Think how many lives would’ve been saved.


What are you both talking about? In 1994, President Bill Clinton, and former Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Joe Biden successfully banned assault weapons when the anti-crime law was passed. At the time, there were approximately 400,000 AR-15 weapons in existence.

The House of Representatives flipped to a Republican majority when Republican George W. Bush was elected President. Bush allowed the assault weapons ban to lapse despite promising to re-enact the law if it was passed by Congress. It wasn’t. Yet, he did not invoke EO. Worse than that, he had the power to sign the ban before the 10 year sundown.

W Bush caused the surge of assault rifles when the federal ban expired in 2004.

In 2022, 24.4 million AR-15s and similar assault weapons were in existence. The NSSF (National Shooting Sports Foundation) advocates for keeping guns out of the wrong hands, estimates that there are over 30 million Modern Sporting Rifles (MSRs), which include AR-15s and AK-platform firearms, in private circulation in the U.S. as of early 2025.

Congress failed Americans by not reinstating the assault weapons ban in 2004. W failed at EVERYTHING— weapons of mass destruction were here in our country, 9 11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine.

Never forget racist Mitch McConnell who swore he’d prevent a 2nd term for Obama who was fiercely focused on passing the affordable care act. Mitch facilitated the current Supreme Court Injustices by manipulating Obama’s appointment.

In this deeply racist country, all roads led to Trump:

"I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

"I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is. I believe that."
Donald Trump, entered into the the Congressional Record
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record...tion/article/S6073-2

W, McConnell, and Trump are a scourge on our country. Their fate will not end peacefully in the physical or ethereal worlds.
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Anonymous wrote:I like Senator Kloubichar but it really upset me how she went on the news talking about how this is such a tragedy… lady you are in the ONLY position to change this. And you’re on tv going “wow this is terrible, oh well nothing we can do about it”. Are you for real? DO YOUR JOB.

I think all congress people are gaslighting us.


What are you talking about? Senator Klobuchar would put stronger gun control in place in a nanosecond. It's the crazy Republicans who sit around and squeal like piglets about their precious 2nd amendment when Democrats suggest something as minor as strengthening background checks.


What are YOU talking about? She’s been a senator since 2007. Once Obama took office on 2009, Democrats had the trifecta of power. They controlled both houses. Why didn’t she put stronger gun controls in place 16 years ago?? Think how many lives would’ve been saved.


What are you both talking about? In 1994, President Bill Clinton, and former Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Joe Biden successfully banned assault weapons when the anti-crime law was passed. At the time, there were approximately 400,000 AR-15 weapons in existence.

The House of Representatives flipped to a Republican majority when Republican George W. Bush was elected President. Bush allowed the assault weapons ban to lapse despite promising to re-enact the law if it was passed by Congress. It wasn’t. Yet, he did not invoke EO. Worse than that, he had the power to sign the ban before the 10 year sundown.

W Bush caused the surge of assault rifles when the federal ban expired in 2004.

In 2022, 24.4 million AR-15s and similar assault weapons were in existence. The NSSF (National Shooting Sports Foundation) advocates for keeping guns out of the wrong hands, estimates that there are over 30 million Modern Sporting Rifles (MSRs), which include AR-15s and AK-platform firearms, in private circulation in the U.S. as of early 2025.

Congress failed Americans by not reinstating the assault weapons ban in 2004. W failed at EVERYTHING— weapons of mass destruction were here in our country, 9 11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine.

Never forget racist Mitch McConnell who swore he’d prevent a 2nd term for Obama who was fiercely focused on passing the affordable care act. Mitch facilitated the current Supreme Court Injustices by manipulating Obama’s appointment.

In this deeply racist country, all roads led to Trump:

"I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

"I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is. I believe that."
Donald Trump, entered into the the Congressional Record
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record...tion/article/S6073-2

W, McConnell, and Trump are a scourge on our country. Their fate will not end peacefully in the physical or ethereal worlds.


The only way to stop a bad kid with an AR-15 is a good kid with an AR-15. Clearly we must arm our elementary school kids.
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Democrats are terrified of gun control. If the US was a safe country, it'd be different. But the DC police commissioner talked about how the average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies.

Which is breathtaking when you think about it.

If the Courts would just put these violent men in prison, we could have a different conversation.

But the Courts don't, so we have these incredibly violent men around us with no recourse from the government.

So people are taking self-protection into their own hands because of the extraordinary failure of the judicial system to deal with violent crime.

If Democrats would knock it off with their equity crap, we could have sensible gun laws. In the meantime, many people are going to choose their own self-protection because the Courts have proven to be useless when it comes to getting violent men off the streets.
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Anonymous wrote:Democrats are terrified of gun control. If the US was a safe country, it'd be different. But the DC police commissioner talked about how the average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies.

Which is breathtaking when you think about it.

If the Courts would just put these violent men in prison, we could have a different conversation.

But the Courts don't, so we have these incredibly violent men around us with no recourse from the government.

So people are taking self-protection into their own hands because of the extraordinary failure of the judicial system to deal with violent crime.

If Democrats would knock it off with their equity crap, we could have sensible gun laws. In the meantime, many people are going to choose their own self-protection because the Courts have proven to be useless when it comes to getting violent men off the streets.


You realize those people with 11 felonies aren't going into schools and churches and shooting them up, right?

We should do something about gang and drug violence too, but that's a different problem than what gun control is meant to mitigate.

Different problems have different solutions. Shocking, I know.
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Anonymous wrote:Democrats are terrified of gun control. If the US was a safe country, it'd be different. But the DC police commissioner talked about how the average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies.

Which is breathtaking when you think about it.

If the Courts would just put these violent men in prison, we could have a different conversation.

But the Courts don't, so we have these incredibly violent men around us with no recourse from the government.

So people are taking self-protection into their own hands because of the extraordinary failure of the judicial system to deal with violent crime.

If Democrats would knock it off with their equity crap, we could have sensible gun laws. In the meantime, many people are going to choose their own self-protection because the Courts have proven to be useless when it comes to getting violent men off the streets.


You realize those people with 11 felonies aren't going into schools and churches and shooting them up, right?

We should do something about gang and drug violence too, but that's a different problem than what gun control is meant to mitigate.

Different problems have different solutions. Shocking, I know.


You don't think gun control is meant to mitigate deaths due to gun violence in communities with gang and drug violence? huh?
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Anonymous wrote:Democrats are terrified of gun control. If the US was a safe country, it'd be different. But the DC police commissioner talked about how the average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies.

Which is breathtaking when you think about it.

If the Courts would just put these violent men in prison, we could have a different conversation.

But the Courts don't, so we have these incredibly violent men around us with no recourse from the government.

So people are taking self-protection into their own hands because of the extraordinary failure of the judicial system to deal with violent crime.

If Democrats would knock it off with their equity crap, we could have sensible gun laws. In the meantime, many people are going to choose their own self-protection because the Courts have proven to be useless when it comes to getting violent men off the streets.


You realize those people with 11 felonies aren't going into schools and churches and shooting them up, right?

We should do something about gang and drug violence too, but that's a different problem than what gun control is meant to mitigate.

Different problems have different solutions. Shocking, I know.


You don't think gun control is meant to mitigate deaths due to gun violence in communities with gang and drug violence? huh?


No, not really. I generally agree with the idea that serious criminals will continue to find ways to get guns. Those often use handguns, which were not likely to be able to put meaningful controls on in the current market political climate.

Poverty drives gang and drug violence. That's what we need to address to mitigate gang and drug related crime. But that's not what drives mass shooters.
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This particular deranged murderer made a lot of noise and managed to kill (I think) just two people. The very list of knife events you reject demonstrates how quickly the body count can rise with a committed knife attacker. Bladed weapons were responsible for industrial-strength slaughter for millennia.

Besides the two dead, there were 17 injured including 14 children. Many of these (especially among those classified as being in critical condition) will likely be crippled for life.

Also note that the murderer shot at the children through the Church windows. This is something that could not be done with a knife. Yes, a committed knife attacker can kill multiple people, but it is much, much easier done with a gun.


+1

Also BFR. If you were shopping at Target with your kids and a crazy violent person came into the store, would you rather they have an AR-15 or a knife? … there is only one sane answer here

An ER doctor wrote an oped about the damage that an AR15 does to the body compared to a single shot pistol. He stated that most victims of one shot gun shot wounds can be saved, but the damage to a victim from an AR15 was basically like a blender came through the insides of the person.

There is no reason for an AR15, that's for sure.


The terminal ballistics of a 5.56 rifle bullet are relatively unpredictable and depend on, among other things, the weight and jacket material of the bullet, its design, the propellant used, and the length and twist rate of the barrel, as well as the range from which the wound is inflicted, and the build and clothing of the individual struck. Even when all else is equal, two different 5.56 wounds can vary from a small through and through wound to one with greater tissue destruction. The AR15 is popular but it is not the only firearm that uses 5.56 ammunition. And not all AR15’s use that round. The idea that a bullet wound is ever “like a blender came through a person” is simply ridiculous hyperbole.


Not hyperbole when it hits a child.

-RN


From your alleged sample size of?

Uvalde, Sandy Hook
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JUST HOW DANGEROUS ARE FIREARMS ???
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 342,000,000 as of September 2025. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons
3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to just 5,100 in a very large country. Still too many? Well, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?

480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (an increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have the strictest gun laws in the country, so it is not the lack of gun control laws that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California (with strict gun and ammunition laws) had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course. It not guns causing the CA deaths. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminal wills obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose; primarily fentanyl from China
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.....Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
The taking away of guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of a Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power." How do you feel about the current administration running our country?

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is control," not gun."
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This particular deranged murderer made a lot of noise and managed to kill (I think) just two people. The very list of knife events you reject demonstrates how quickly the body count can rise with a committed knife attacker. Bladed weapons were responsible for industrial-strength slaughter for millennia.

Besides the two dead, there were 17 injured including 14 children. Many of these (especially among those classified as being in critical condition) will likely be crippled for life.

Also note that the murderer shot at the children through the Church windows. This is something that could not be done with a knife. Yes, a committed knife attacker can kill multiple people, but it is much, much easier done with a gun.


+1

Also BFR. If you were shopping at Target with your kids and a crazy violent person came into the store, would you rather they have an AR-15 or a knife? … there is only one sane answer here

An ER doctor wrote an oped about the damage that an AR15 does to the body compared to a single shot pistol. He stated that most victims of one shot gun shot wounds can be saved, but the damage to a victim from an AR15 was basically like a blender came through the insides of the person.

There is no reason for an AR15, that's for sure.


The terminal ballistics of a 5.56 rifle bullet are relatively unpredictable and depend on, among other things, the weight and jacket material of the bullet, its design, the propellant used, and the length and twist rate of the barrel, as well as the range from which the wound is inflicted, and the build and clothing of the individual struck. Even when all else is equal, two different 5.56 wounds can vary from a small through and through wound to one with greater tissue destruction. The AR15 is popular but it is not the only firearm that uses 5.56 ammunition. And not all AR15’s use that round. The idea that a bullet wound is ever “like a blender came through a person” is simply ridiculous hyperbole.


Not hyperbole when it hits a child.

-RN


From your alleged sample size of?

Uvalde, Sandy Hook


You attended those autopsies and/or saw the photographs and read the reports? Or you read an article that somebody wrote about what they thought? Sounds like your personal sample size is zero, “RN.”
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Anonymous wrote:JUST HOW DANGEROUS ARE FIREARMS ???
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 342,000,000 as of September 2025. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons
3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to just 5,100 in a very large country. Still too many? Well, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?

480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (an increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have the strictest gun laws in the country, so it is not the lack of gun control laws that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California (with strict gun and ammunition laws) had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course. It not guns causing the CA deaths. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminal wills obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose; primarily fentanyl from China
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.....Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
The taking away of guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of a Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power." How do you feel about the current administration running our country?

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is control," not gun."


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