ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in the other thread (and others apparently echoing) ... "NL will be BY. RL and lower will be SY."

It's getting shot down, however, I could see this. NL, in this case, not being what NL currently is. For example, we'll see the formation of a new girls super league of the best GA and ECNL yeams where it's BY and no HS (basically the ECNL 10-month program, for instance).

Most of ECNL, the part focused on college and trapped players, will essentially be considered regional.

ECNL definitely changing age groups up. GA/MLSN are most likely staying BY.

ECNL and all of US Club will goto a 9/1 cut off.

If GA gets rid of high school that will be a death sentence. The majority of girls want to play with their high school teams.

My daughters GA team is doing High School right now (west coast).

There's been 4 injuries playing high school ball and 2 are 9+ month recoveries.

My kids a trapped player so she'll be in HS next year. It will be interesting to see how many choose to skip playing in HS next year. All the drama to play on a HS team where some dumb heffer will try to take you out if they're losing doesn't sound fun. If she does play I'm going to tell her to flop and get off the field if opponents start targeting. HS soccer is not worth getting hurt.

Parent of a teenage girl referring to other teenage girls as heffers. Oof. Seek therapy.

You're obviously new to competitive soccer and High School soccer as well. So I'll give you some background which will help you to understand why heffer is a very apt description.

In competitive soccer players and teams are focused on playing and winning. They practice 3-4x a week year round (again west coast) and focus on what kind of edge whatever it may be that translates to a win. Some teams have had the same roster for years.

In High School soccer coaches take what they can get trying to quickly figure out how to win. "Take what they can get" means players that go to their high school that can play soccer. Some schools are going to have a deep pool of talent to pull from. Other schools will barely be able to field a team.

In general whenever a team gets blown out they get frustrated. When they get frustrated they start fouling. If a team never wins midway through the season players will look to punish others because they know they're not going to make it to the winners circle, playoffs, whatever.

This is what I'm talking about. This is why you don't see really good teams going out of their way to play not good teams in club. Unfortunately in high school soccer it happens all the time.

Reguarding the heffers comment one of the primary reasons some high school teams don't win is specifically because their players aren't in as good of shape as their competition. These are the teams that don't win. These are the teams that are looking to hurt/injure their competition because they've got nothing to lose.

Make sense now?

Nothing says anonymous forum quite like someone responding to being called out as unhinged with something even MORE unhinged.

Your point didn’t need to be made, everyone already knows it, some girls just really want to play high school with their friends cause it’s fun and do they take the risks inherent with playing with less experienced girls. However even if you felt you had new information for us all you definitely could have made it without name calling teenage girls, and I am deeply concerned about any parent who chooses to do that. Shows a true lack of understanding of the pressures teenage girls are under and a shocking lack of care for how dangerous casual comments like that can be.

Therapy really would help. It’s a fantastic resource!

Tell the truth...

Are you at home because Trump canceled your DEI job?

Nothing throws cold water on this thread like non-soccer politics!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone in the other thread (and others apparently echoing) ... "NL will be BY. RL and lower will be SY."

It's getting shot down, however, I could see this. NL, in this case, not being what NL currently is. For example, we'll see the formation of a new girls super league of the best GA and ECNL yeams where it's BY and no HS (basically the ECNL 10-month program, for instance).

Most of ECNL, the part focused on college and trapped players, will essentially be considered regional.

ECNL definitely changing age groups up. GA/MLSN are most likely staying BY.

ECNL and all of US Club will goto a 9/1 cut off.

If GA gets rid of high school that will be a death sentence. The majority of girls want to play with their high school teams.

My daughters GA team is doing High School right now (west coast).

There's been 4 injuries playing high school ball and 2 are 9+ month recoveries.

My kids a trapped player so she'll be in HS next year. It will be interesting to see how many choose to skip playing in HS next year. All the drama to play on a HS team where some dumb heffer will try to take you out if they're losing doesn't sound fun. If she does play I'm going to tell her to flop and get off the field if opponents start targeting. HS soccer is not worth getting hurt.

Parent of a teenage girl referring to other teenage girls as heffers. Oof. Seek therapy.

You're obviously new to competitive soccer and High School soccer as well. So I'll give you some background which will help you to understand why heffer is a very apt description.

In competitive soccer players and teams are focused on playing and winning. They practice 3-4x a week year round (again west coast) and focus on what kind of edge whatever it may be that translates to a win. Some teams have had the same roster for years.

In High School soccer coaches take what they can get trying to quickly figure out how to win. "Take what they can get" means players that go to their high school that can play soccer. Some schools are going to have a deep pool of talent to pull from. Other schools will barely be able to field a team.

In general whenever a team gets blown out they get frustrated. When they get frustrated they start fouling. If a team never wins midway through the season players will look to punish others because they know they're not going to make it to the winners circle, playoffs, whatever.

This is what I'm talking about. This is why you don't see really good teams going out of their way to play not good teams in club. Unfortunately in high school soccer it happens all the time.

Reguarding the heffers comment one of the primary reasons some high school teams don't win is specifically because their players aren't in as good of shape as their competition. These are the teams that don't win. These are the teams that are looking to hurt/injure their competition because they've got nothing to lose.

Make sense now?

Nothing says anonymous forum quite like someone responding to being called out as unhinged with something even MORE unhinged.

Your point didn’t need to be made, everyone already knows it, some girls just really want to play high school with their friends cause it’s fun and do they take the risks inherent with playing with less experienced girls. However even if you felt you had new information for us all you definitely could have made it without name calling teenage girls, and I am deeply concerned about any parent who chooses to do that. Shows a true lack of understanding of the pressures teenage girls are under and a shocking lack of care for how dangerous casual comments like that can be.

Therapy really would help. It’s a fantastic resource!

Tell the truth...

Are you at home because Trump canceled your DEI job?

Nothing throws cold water on this thread like non-soccer politics!

There appears to be one commenter that doesn't like the term "heffer" and is going after another commenter for using it. Personally I think there's much worse terms that could have been used.

The person that used the term heffer is 100% correct about high school soccer being dangerous for club players that are used to a higher level of skill and ability. They're also correct about how different teams physical ability directly affects their chances at winning.

Seems like a lot of complaining about nothing from the person that hates the term heffer so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone in the other thread (and others apparently echoing) ... "NL will be BY. RL and lower will be SY."

It's getting shot down, however, I could see this. NL, in this case, not being what NL currently is. For example, we'll see the formation of a new girls super league of the best GA and ECNL yeams where it's BY and no HS (basically the ECNL 10-month program, for instance).

Most of ECNL, the part focused on college and trapped players, will essentially be considered regional.

ECNL definitely changing age groups up. GA/MLSN are most likely staying BY.

ECNL and all of US Club will goto a 9/1 cut off.

If GA gets rid of high school that will be a death sentence. The majority of girls want to play with their high school teams.

My daughters GA team is doing High School right now (west coast).

There's been 4 injuries playing high school ball and 2 are 9+ month recoveries.

My kids a trapped player so she'll be in HS next year. It will be interesting to see how many choose to skip playing in HS next year. All the drama to play on a HS team where some dumb heffer will try to take you out if they're losing doesn't sound fun. If she does play I'm going to tell her to flop and get off the field if opponents start targeting. HS soccer is not worth getting hurt.

Parent of a teenage girl referring to other teenage girls as heffers. Oof. Seek therapy.

You're obviously new to competitive soccer and High School soccer as well. So I'll give you some background which will help you to understand why heffer is a very apt description.

In competitive soccer players and teams are focused on playing and winning. They practice 3-4x a week year round (again west coast) and focus on what kind of edge whatever it may be that translates to a win. Some teams have had the same roster for years.

In High School soccer coaches take what they can get trying to quickly figure out how to win. "Take what they can get" means players that go to their high school that can play soccer. Some schools are going to have a deep pool of talent to pull from. Other schools will barely be able to field a team.

In general whenever a team gets blown out they get frustrated. When they get frustrated they start fouling. If a team never wins midway through the season players will look to punish others because they know they're not going to make it to the winners circle, playoffs, whatever.

This is what I'm talking about. This is why you don't see really good teams going out of their way to play not good teams in club. Unfortunately in high school soccer it happens all the time.

Reguarding the heffers comment one of the primary reasons some high school teams don't win is specifically because their players aren't in as good of shape as their competition. These are the teams that don't win. These are the teams that are looking to hurt/injure their competition because they've got nothing to lose.

Make sense now?

Nothing says anonymous forum quite like someone responding to being called out as unhinged with something even MORE unhinged.

Your point didn’t need to be made, everyone already knows it, some girls just really want to play high school with their friends cause it’s fun and do they take the risks inherent with playing with less experienced girls. However even if you felt you had new information for us all you definitely could have made it without name calling teenage girls, and I am deeply concerned about any parent who chooses to do that. Shows a true lack of understanding of the pressures teenage girls are under and a shocking lack of care for how dangerous casual comments like that can be.

Therapy really would help. It’s a fantastic resource!

Tell the truth...

Are you at home because Trump canceled your DEI job?

Nothing throws cold water on this thread like non-soccer politics!

That's not a no reguarding the DEI job...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone in the other thread (and others apparently echoing) ... "NL will be BY. RL and lower will be SY."

It's getting shot down, however, I could see this. NL, in this case, not being what NL currently is. For example, we'll see the formation of a new girls super league of the best GA and ECNL yeams where it's BY and no HS (basically the ECNL 10-month program, for instance).

Most of ECNL, the part focused on college and trapped players, will essentially be considered regional.

ECNL definitely changing age groups up. GA/MLSN are most likely staying BY.

ECNL and all of US Club will goto a 9/1 cut off.

If GA gets rid of high school that will be a death sentence. The majority of girls want to play with their high school teams.

My daughters GA team is doing High School right now (west coast).

There's been 4 injuries playing high school ball and 2 are 9+ month recoveries.

My kids a trapped player so she'll be in HS next year. It will be interesting to see how many choose to skip playing in HS next year. All the drama to play on a HS team where some dumb heffer will try to take you out if they're losing doesn't sound fun. If she does play I'm going to tell her to flop and get off the field if opponents start targeting. HS soccer is not worth getting hurt.

Parent of a teenage girl referring to other teenage girls as heffers. Oof. Seek therapy.

You're obviously new to competitive soccer and High School soccer as well. So I'll give you some background which will help you to understand why heffer is a very apt description.

In competitive soccer players and teams are focused on playing and winning. They practice 3-4x a week year round (again west coast) and focus on what kind of edge whatever it may be that translates to a win. Some teams have had the same roster for years.

In High School soccer coaches take what they can get trying to quickly figure out how to win. "Take what they can get" means players that go to their high school that can play soccer. Some schools are going to have a deep pool of talent to pull from. Other schools will barely be able to field a team.

In general whenever a team gets blown out they get frustrated. When they get frustrated they start fouling. If a team never wins midway through the season players will look to punish others because they know they're not going to make it to the winners circle, playoffs, whatever.

This is what I'm talking about. This is why you don't see really good teams going out of their way to play not good teams in club. Unfortunately in high school soccer it happens all the time.

Reguarding the heffers comment one of the primary reasons some high school teams don't win is specifically because their players aren't in as good of shape as their competition. These are the teams that don't win. These are the teams that are looking to hurt/injure their competition because they've got nothing to lose.

Make sense now?

Nothing says anonymous forum quite like someone responding to being called out as unhinged with something even MORE unhinged.

Your point didn’t need to be made, everyone already knows it, some girls just really want to play high school with their friends cause it’s fun and do they take the risks inherent with playing with less experienced girls. However even if you felt you had new information for us all you definitely could have made it without name calling teenage girls, and I am deeply concerned about any parent who chooses to do that. Shows a true lack of understanding of the pressures teenage girls are under and a shocking lack of care for how dangerous casual comments like that can be.

Therapy really would help. It’s a fantastic resource!

Tell the truth...

Are you at home because Trump canceled your DEI job?

Nothing throws cold water on this thread like non-soccer politics!

That's not a no reguarding the DEI job...

You might need to wait longer than usual for PP to respond, I’m guessing they had to go to the office for the first time in a few years.

[Anonymous]

This is all why a new thread got created. Too many keyboard warriors sitting here. Not enough talk about BY/SY. Makes me miss the +60 guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone in the other thread (and others apparently echoing) ... "NL will be BY. RL and lower will be SY."

It's getting shot down, however, I could see this. NL, in this case, not being what NL currently is. For example, we'll see the formation of a new girls super league of the best GA and ECNL yeams where it's BY and no HS (basically the ECNL 10-month program, for instance).

Most of ECNL, the part focused on college and trapped players, will essentially be considered regional.

ECNL definitely changing age groups up. GA/MLSN are most likely staying BY.

ECNL and all of US Club will goto a 9/1 cut off.

If GA gets rid of high school that will be a death sentence. The majority of girls want to play with their high school teams.

My daughters GA team is doing High School right now (west coast).

There's been 4 injuries playing high school ball and 2 are 9+ month recoveries.

My kids a trapped player so she'll be in HS next year. It will be interesting to see how many choose to skip playing in HS next year. All the drama to play on a HS team where some dumb heffer will try to take you out if they're losing doesn't sound fun. If she does play I'm going to tell her to flop and get off the field if opponents start targeting. HS soccer is not worth getting hurt.

Parent of a teenage girl referring to other teenage girls as heffers. Oof. Seek therapy.

You're obviously new to competitive soccer and High School soccer as well. So I'll give you some background which will help you to understand why heffer is a very apt description.

In competitive soccer players and teams are focused on playing and winning. They practice 3-4x a week year round (again west coast) and focus on what kind of edge whatever it may be that translates to a win. Some teams have had the same roster for years.

In High School soccer coaches take what they can get trying to quickly figure out how to win. "Take what they can get" means players that go to their high school that can play soccer. Some schools are going to have a deep pool of talent to pull from. Other schools will barely be able to field a team.

In general whenever a team gets blown out they get frustrated. When they get frustrated they start fouling. If a team never wins midway through the season players will look to punish others because they know they're not going to make it to the winners circle, playoffs, whatever.

This is what I'm talking about. This is why you don't see really good teams going out of their way to play not good teams in club. Unfortunately in high school soccer it happens all the time.

Reguarding the heffers comment one of the primary reasons some high school teams don't win is specifically because their players aren't in as good of shape as their competition. These are the teams that don't win. These are the teams that are looking to hurt/injure their competition because they've got nothing to lose.

Make sense now?

Nothing says anonymous forum quite like someone responding to being called out as unhinged with something even MORE unhinged.

Your point didn’t need to be made, everyone already knows it, some girls just really want to play high school with their friends cause it’s fun and do they take the risks inherent with playing with less experienced girls. However even if you felt you had new information for us all you definitely could have made it without name calling teenage girls, and I am deeply concerned about any parent who chooses to do that. Shows a true lack of understanding of the pressures teenage girls are under and a shocking lack of care for how dangerous casual comments like that can be.

Therapy really would help. It’s a fantastic resource!

Tell the truth...

Are you at home because Trump canceled your DEI job?

Nothing throws cold water on this thread like non-soccer politics!

That's not a no reguarding the DEI job...

You might need to wait longer than usual for PP to respond, I’m guessing they had to go to the office for the first time in a few years.

Hahaha 😆

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is all why a new thread got created. Too many keyboard warriors sitting here. Not enough talk about BY/SY. Makes me miss the +60 guy.

The +60 guys proposal or some slight variant is the only way to make SY work without trapped players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all why a new thread got created. Too many keyboard warriors sitting here. Not enough talk about BY/SY. Makes me miss the +60 guy.

The +60 guys proposal or some slight variant is the only way to make SY work without trapped players.

Things are starting to leak. Looks like there is going to be some variant of the +60 coming down real soon. The kid ringing up my groceries saw my ECNL hat (didn't even say anything about my awesome sweater and keychain) and told me that his brother's old coach, who now works in sales at the local Kia, heard from his uncle who is a higher up at a company that is next door to US Soccer, that they are going to make it school year with a 9/1 cutoff with room to align with grade. Don't shoot the messenger. You heard it here first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all why a new thread got created. Too many keyboard warriors sitting here. Not enough talk about BY/SY. Makes me miss the +60 guy.

The +60 guys proposal or some slight variant is the only way to make SY work without trapped players.

Things are starting to leak. Looks like there is going to be some variant of the +60 coming down real soon. The kid ringing up my groceries saw my ECNL hat (didn't even say anything about my awesome sweater and keychain) and told me that his brother's old coach, who now works in sales at the local Kia, heard from his uncle who is a higher up at a company that is next door to US Soccer, that they are going to make it school year with a 9/1 cutoff with room to align with grade. Don't shoot the messenger. You heard it here first.

Lol! The most solid source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all why a new thread got created. Too many keyboard warriors sitting here. Not enough talk about BY/SY. Makes me miss the +60 guy.

The +60 guys proposal or some slight variant is the only way to make SY work without trapped players.

Things are starting to leak. Looks like there is going to be some variant of the +60 coming down real soon. The kid ringing up my groceries saw my ECNL hat (didn't even say anything about my awesome sweater and keychain) and told me that his brother's old coach, who now works in sales at the local Kia, heard from his uncle who is a higher up at a company that is next door to US Soccer, that they are going to make it school year with a 9/1 cutoff with room to align with grade. Don't shoot the messenger. You heard it here first.

It would be funny to see someone with an ECNL hat and Sweater combo + when you ask them which club their kid plays for they say "I don't have kids. I'm just a fan."

[Anonymous]

It makes sense for ECNL to use a 9/1 cutoff and start the transition to allow 2/3 Q3/Q4 players in the younger group for 25/26. It will smooth the transition and, at the same time, stab GA a little bit.

[Anonymous]

Will any of this matter if college soccer decides to be governed by US Soccer?

UPDATE: I hear that this process has been moving along this month, per numerous sources I've talked to on this matter.

It is believed that, at a recent coaching convention and via a recent conference call, during the month of January that further progress has been made.

Most sources I've spoken to believe that 2026-27 is when these changes would be put into place, although I don't yet know for a fact that 2025-26 has been ruled out.

The belief I've heard is that there was a recent vote on a conference call that included All ACC and Big 10 men's soccer programs to move forward with leaving the NCAA and joining the professional ranks.

Numerous sources have mentioned that many top programs are already starting to plan in a way that recognizes this coming shift.

This move would be with the backing of US Soccer Federation and this is a move to professionalize college soccer. The season would be 9-10 months long.

Speculation is that USL League One offered these programs the chance to join their league structure as professional teams, while MLS has been pushing back on this idea to USSF because they believe this move could hurt the place of their development league, MLS Next Pro, within in the professional pyramid.

Where exactly these college programs would fit in the pro pyramid is not yet clear after the discussions I've had on this matter.

Questions are swirling about exactly which programs will be involved. The answer varies, depending on who you talk to. As best as I can ascertain, no one really doubts that the ACC and Big 10 programs are on board.

Beyond that, my belief is that there are other programs, but it is not all of D1 Mens College Soccer at this point.

Some will tell you traditional power 4 conference sports schools, others say top 40-50 college soccer programs, others believe it's not split as much on prestige lines and is more a case by case basis outside of those two conferences.

Sources have mentioned that the process is chaotic and fluid, and a lot of the exact details, such as which programs are on board, is ever-changing.

There's also the likelihood of realignment of conferences in Division 1 Mens College Soccer if the professional ranks takes a segment of the programs and others end up staying.

The big picture is that there continues to be optimism that at least a sizable segment of the top men's college soccer programs are going to break away from the NCAA and professionalize in the next year or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all why a new thread got created. Too many keyboard warriors sitting here. Not enough talk about BY/SY. Makes me miss the +60 guy.

The +60 guys proposal or some slight variant is the only way to make SY work without trapped players.

Things are starting to leak. Looks like there is going to be some variant of the +60 coming down real soon. The kid ringing up my groceries saw my ECNL hat (didn't even say anything about my awesome sweater and keychain) and told me that his brother's old coach, who now works in sales at the local Kia, heard from his uncle who is a higher up at a company that is next door to US Soccer, that they are going to make it school year with a 9/1 cutoff with room to align with grade. Don't shoot the messenger. You heard it here first.

It would be funny to see someone with an ECNL hat and Sweater combo + when you ask them which club their kid plays for they say "I don't have kids. I'm just a fan."

Haha🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will any of this matter if college soccer decides to be governed by US Soccer?

UPDATE: I hear that this process has been moving along this month, per numerous sources I've talked to on this matter.

It is believed that, at a recent coaching convention and via a recent conference call, during the month of January that further progress has been made.

Most sources I've spoken to believe that 2026-27 is when these changes would be put into place, although I don't yet know for a fact that 2025-26 has been ruled out.

The belief I've heard is that there was a recent vote on a conference call that included All ACC and Big 10 men's soccer programs to move forward with leaving the NCAA and joining the professional ranks.

Numerous sources have mentioned that many top programs are already starting to plan in a way that recognizes this coming shift.

This move would be with the backing of US Soccer Federation and this is a move to professionalize college soccer. The season would be 9-10 months long.

Speculation is that USL League One offered these programs the chance to join their league structure as professional teams, while MLS has been pushing back on this idea to USSF because they believe this move could hurt the place of their development league, MLS Next Pro, within in the professional pyramid.

Where exactly these college programs would fit in the pro pyramid is not yet clear after the discussions I've had on this matter.

Questions are swirling about exactly which programs will be involved. The answer varies, depending on who you talk to. As best as I can ascertain, no one really doubts that the ACC and Big 10 programs are on board.

Beyond that, my belief is that there are other programs, but it is not all of D1 Mens College Soccer at this point.

Some will tell you traditional power 4 conference sports schools, others say top 40-50 college soccer programs, others believe it's not split as much on prestige lines and is more a case by case basis outside of those two conferences.

Sources have mentioned that the process is chaotic and fluid, and a lot of the exact details, such as which programs are on board, is ever-changing.

There's also the likelihood of realignment of conferences in Division 1 Mens College Soccer if the professional ranks takes a segment of the programs and others end up staying.

The big picture is that there continues to be optimism that at least a sizable segment of the top men's college soccer programs are going to break away from the NCAA and professionalize in the next year or two.

Interesting copy and paste, but better off somewhere else. But, I guess if it helps us get to 1000 we can discuss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will any of this matter if college soccer decides to be governed by US Soccer?

UPDATE: I hear that this process has been moving along this month, per numerous sources I've talked to on this matter.

It is believed that, at a recent coaching convention and via a recent conference call, during the month of January that further progress has been made.

Most sources I've spoken to believe that 2026-27 is when these changes would be put into place, although I don't yet know for a fact that 2025-26 has been ruled out.

The belief I've heard is that there was a recent vote on a conference call that included All ACC and Big 10 men's soccer programs to move forward with leaving the NCAA and joining the professional ranks.

Numerous sources have mentioned that many top programs are already starting to plan in a way that recognizes this coming shift.

This move would be with the backing of US Soccer Federation and this is a move to professionalize college soccer. The season would be 9-10 months long.

Speculation is that USL League One offered these programs the chance to join their league structure as professional teams, while MLS has been pushing back on this idea to USSF because they believe this move could hurt the place of their development league, MLS Next Pro, within in the professional pyramid.

Where exactly these college programs would fit in the pro pyramid is not yet clear after the discussions I've had on this matter.

Questions are swirling about exactly which programs will be involved. The answer varies, depending on who you talk to. As best as I can ascertain, no one really doubts that the ACC and Big 10 programs are on board.

Beyond that, my belief is that there are other programs, but it is not all of D1 Mens College Soccer at this point.

Some will tell you traditional power 4 conference sports schools, others say top 40-50 college soccer programs, others believe it's not split as much on prestige lines and is more a case by case basis outside of those two conferences.

Sources have mentioned that the process is chaotic and fluid, and a lot of the exact details, such as which programs are on board, is ever-changing.

There's also the likelihood of realignment of conferences in Division 1 Mens College Soccer if the professional ranks takes a segment of the programs and others end up staying.

The big picture is that there continues to be optimism that at least a sizable segment of the top men's college soccer programs are going to break away from the NCAA and professionalize in the next year or two.

The mental illness that which is this post continues