SF and Boston votes on changing admissions criteria for magnet schools this week

[Anonymous]

If you haven't been following this news, TJ isn't the only school being reviewed for admissions changes. The SF school board votes tonight and Boston votes tomorrow on revising admissions criteria for their magnet schools.

Here are the proposals:

https://go.boarddocs.com/ca/sfusd/Board.nsf/files/BUDT6R75DB8E/$file/Presentation%20Supt's%20Resolution%20on%20Lowell.pdf


https://www.bostonpublicschools.org/cms/lib/MA01906464/Centricity/Domain/162/Exam%20Schools%20Admission%20Criteria%20Recommendation%20to%20SC%20FINAL.pdf

[Anonymous]

Short version?

[Anonymous]

The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

This is another way to come close to what MCPS has done by dividing their schools into three SES groups and ranking student magnet test scores against only the students within their Similar SES Set of MCPS schools. Except you just compete in your zip code.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

How are students ranked?

[Anonymous]

The San Francisco Unified Board of Education has unanimously approved a lottery admissions process for Lowell High School, applying to the freshman class of 2021 for one year only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The San Francisco Unified Board of Education has unanimously approved a lottery admissions process for Lowell High School, applying to the freshman class of 2021 for one year only.

I would not want to be a part of that class because colleges will know about that class as the "no standards admittance class", which I believe will create a negative effect on their college admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

This is another way to come close to what MCPS has done by dividing their schools into three SES groups and ranking student magnet test scores against only the students within their Similar SES Set of MCPS schools. Except you just compete in your zip code.

The problem with the MCPS system is the use of the cloudy "peer cohort" criteria to exclude groups of students.

The Boston solution is better. Clear and transparent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

This is another way to come close to what MCPS has done by dividing their schools into three SES groups and ranking student magnet test scores against only the students within their Similar SES Set of MCPS schools. Except you just compete in your zip code.

The problem with the MCPS system is the use of the cloudy "peer cohort" criteria to exclude groups of students.

The Boston solution is better. Clear and transparent.

Using zip code to force Chinese American students in Boston's Chinatown to compete against each other. Brilliant idea for race norming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

This is another way to come close to what MCPS has done by dividing their schools into three SES groups and ranking student magnet test scores against only the students within their Similar SES Set of MCPS schools. Except you just compete in your zip code.

The problem with the MCPS system is the use of the cloudy "peer cohort" criteria to exclude groups of students.

The Boston solution is better. Clear and transparent.

Using zip code to force Chinese American students in Boston's Chinatown to compete against each other. Brilliant idea for race norming.

Boston's system still allows in the top 20% from anywhere. Then the remaining 80% get a chance based by district. I think it's reasonable.

It's based on merit. You still have a chance to earn your spot. It's clear and transparent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

This is another way to come close to what MCPS has done by dividing their schools into three SES groups and ranking student magnet test scores against only the students within their Similar SES Set of MCPS schools. Except you just compete in your zip code.

The problem with the MCPS system is the use of the cloudy "peer cohort" criteria to exclude groups of students.

The Boston solution is better. Clear and transparent.

Using zip code to force Chinese American students in Boston's Chinatown to compete against each other. Brilliant idea for race norming.

Boston's system still allows in the top 20% from anywhere. Then the remaining 80% get a chance based by district. I think it's reasonable.

It's based on merit. You still have a chance to earn your spot. It's clear and transparent.

Why 20%?

Do you want to allot 80% of doctors, writers, mathematicians, physicists... by zip code?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

This is another way to come close to what MCPS has done by dividing their schools into three SES groups and ranking student magnet test scores against only the students within their Similar SES Set of MCPS schools. Except you just compete in your zip code.

The problem with the MCPS system is the use of the cloudy "peer cohort" criteria to exclude groups of students.

The Boston solution is better. Clear and transparent.

Using zip code to force Chinese American students in Boston's Chinatown to compete against each other. Brilliant idea for race norming.

Boston's system still allows in the top 20% from anywhere. Then the remaining 80% get a chance based by district. I think it's reasonable.

It's based on merit. You still have a chance to earn your spot. It's clear and transparent.

Why 20%?

Do you want to allot 80% of doctors, writers, mathematicians, physicists... by zip code?

People are just going to game the system by moving to a different zip code. There should just be a transparent objective test, GPA requirement, teacher recs and essay. Everyone gets a cumulative score. Everyone above a certain score gets put into a lottery. Randomly pick from the pool of the most qualified kids. Done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Boston model is interesting.

1) Rank all students based on admission criteria. Since there are multiple exam schools, students also rank their first choice school.

2) For the first 20% of the seats, offer admission to the top ranking students. (Caveat: If a student in the top 20% overall chose school A, but wasn't in the top 20% of students who chose school A, they would not be offered admission in this round, but would go back in the pool for the next round.)

3) Group the remaining 80% of students by zip code. Allocate seats for each zip code proportional to the number of enrolled students in that zip code. Offer admission based on top ranking students in the zip code.

That sounds great.

Yes, this sounds reasonable. A lot more intelligent than the stupid lottery proposed by stupid Brabrand.

This is another way to come close to what MCPS has done by dividing their schools into three SES groups and ranking student magnet test scores against only the students within their Similar SES Set of MCPS schools. Except you just compete in your zip code.

The problem with the MCPS system is the use of the cloudy "peer cohort" criteria to exclude groups of students.

The Boston solution is better. Clear and transparent.

Using zip code to force Chinese American students in Boston's Chinatown to compete against each other. Brilliant idea for race norming.

Boston's system still allows in the top 20% from anywhere. Then the remaining 80% get a chance based by district. I think it's reasonable.

It's based on merit. You still have a chance to earn your spot. It's clear and transparent.

Why 20%?

Do you want to allot 80% of doctors, writers, mathematicians, physicists... by zip code?

People are just going to game the system by moving to a different zip code. There should just be a transparent objective test, GPA requirement, teacher recs and essay. Everyone gets a cumulative score. Everyone above a certain score gets put into a lottery. Randomly pick from the pool of the most qualified kids. Done.

That's basically what they are going to do

There will be URM and FARMS plusups to get more of them in the pool similar to the racial and/or veteran plusups used by the federal government
The Quantitative essay is taking the place of the test