Great article about education from the NY Times

Anonymous
I am a teacher and I believe that Susan Engel could not be more on target! What are other people's thoughts?

New York Times February 2, 2010
Playing to Learn
By SUSAN ENGEL


THE Obama administration is planning some big changes to how we measure the success or failure of schools and how we apportion federal money based on those assessments. It’s great that the administration is trying to undertake reforms, but if we want to make sure all children learn, we will need to overhaul the curriculum itself. Our current educational approach — and the testing that is driving it — is completely at odds with what scientists understand about how children develop during the elementary school years and has led to a curriculum that is strangling children and teachers alike.
In order to design a curriculum that teaches what truly matters, educators should remember a basic precept of modern developmental science: developmental precursors don’t always resemble the skill to which they are leading. For example, saying the alphabet does not particularly help children learn to read. But having extended and complex conversations during toddlerhood does. Simply put, what children need to do in elementary school is not to cram for high school or college, but to develop ways of thinking and behaving that will lead to valuable knowledge and skills later on.
So what should children be able to do by age 12, or the time they leave elementary school? They should be able to read a chapter book, write a story and a compelling essay; know how to add, subtract, divide and multiply numbers; detect patterns in complex phenomena; use evidence to support an opinion; be part of a group of people who are not their family; and engage in an exchange of ideas in conversation. If all elementary school students mastered these abilities, they would be prepared to learn almost anything in high school and college.
Imagine, for instance, a third-grade classroom that was free of the laundry list of goals currently harnessing our teachers and students, and that was devoted instead to just a few narrowly defined and deeply focused goals.
In this classroom, children would spend two hours each day hearing stories read aloud, reading aloud themselves, telling stories to one another and reading on their own. After all, the first step to literacy is simply being immersed, through conversation and storytelling, in a reading environment; the second is to read a lot and often. A school day where every child is given ample opportunities to read and discuss books would give teachers more time to help those students who need more instruction in order to become good readers.
Children would also spend an hour a day writing things that have actual meaning to them — stories, newspaper articles, captions for cartoons, letters to one another. People write best when they use writing to think and to communicate, rather than to get a good grade.
In our theoretical classroom, children would also spend a short period of time each day practicing computation — adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. Once children are proficient in those basics they would be free to turn to other activities that are equally essential for math and science: devising original experiments, observing the natural world and counting things, whether they be words, events or people. These are all activities children naturally love, if given a chance to do them in a genuine way.
What they shouldn’t do is spend tedious hours learning isolated mathematical formulas or memorizing sheets of science facts that are unlikely to matter much in the long run. Scientists know that children learn best by putting experiences together in new ways. They construct knowledge; they don’t swallow it.
Along the way, teachers should spend time each day having sustained conversations with small groups of children. Such conversations give children a chance to support their views with evidence, change their minds and use questions as a way to learn more.
During the school day, there should be extended time for play. Research has shown unequivocally that children learn best when they are interested in the material or activity they are learning. Play — from building contraptions to enacting stories to inventing games — can allow children to satisfy their curiosity about the things that interest them in their own way. It can also help them acquire higher-order thinking skills, like generating testable hypotheses, imagining situations from someone else’s perspective and thinking of alternate solutions.
A classroom like this would provide lots of time for children to learn to collaborate with one another, a skill easily as important as math or reading. It takes time and guidance to learn how to get along, to listen to one another and to cooperate. These skills cannot be picked up casually at the corners of the day.
The reforms suggested by the administration on Monday have the potential to help liberate our schools. But they can only do so much. Our success depends on embracing a curriculum focused on essential skills like reading, writing, computation, pattern detection, conversation and collaboration — a curriculum designed to raise children, rather than test scores.
Susan Engel is a senior lecturer in psychology and the director of the teaching program at Williams College.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Imagine, for instance, a third-grade classroom that was free of the laundry list of goals currently harnessing our teachers and students, and that was devoted instead to just a few narrowly defined and deeply focused goals.

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What they shouldn’t do is spend tedious hours learning isolated mathematical formulas or memorizing sheets of science facts that are unlikely to matter much in the long run. Scientists know that children learn best by putting experiences together in new ways.


I have a problem with this part. I think children SHOULD be required to learn by memory lots and lots of basic facts about the world... facts about history, geography, civis, economics, the natural and physical sciences. Some kids pick these things up just by being exposed to the facts through read alounds and "natural discovery", but you cannot count on that; children need to be systemactially intoduced to thes topids to be sure they have learned them all when they enter middle school for further study and inquiry.

By the end of 6th grade I want every child to have at least hear of World War I, the Civil War, the Crusades, and Charlemagne; to know the different animal kingdoms and the difference between algae, fungi, and bacteria; to be able to locate the Fertile Crescent on a map and know why it was important in history; to locate mountains, rivers, continents, and states; to have a basic understanding of simple machines, gravity and and electrictity; to know the difference between a hot desert and a cold desert and to locate them on a map, and so on. None of these facts are boring and kids fdont' need to discover the information on their own. They are inherently interesting, and we as teachers are adults with knowledge about our world and the story of our people and the way our world works. We should pass that information on, not wait for kids to learn to discover what is interesting to them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher and I believe that Susan Engel could not be more on target! What are other people's thoughts?

New York Times February 2, 2010
Playing to Learn
By SUSAN ENGEL

Imagine, for instance, a third-grade classroom that was free of the laundry list of goals currently harnessing our teachers and students, and that was devoted instead to just a few narrowly defined and deeply focused goals.
In this classroom, children would spend two hours each day hearing stories read aloud, reading aloud themselves, telling stories to one another and reading on their own. After all, the first step to literacy is simply being immersed, through conversation and storytelling, in a reading environment; the second is to read a lot and often. A school day where every child is given ample opportunities to read and discuss books would give teachers more time to help those students who need more instruction in order to become good readers.
Children would also spend an hour a day writing things that have actual meaning to them — stories, newspaper articles, captions for cartoons, letters to one another. People write best when they use writing to think and to communicate, rather than to get a good grade.
In our theoretical classroom, children would also spend a short period of time each day practicing computation — adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. Once children are proficient in those basics they would be free to turn to other activities that are equally essential for math and science: devising original experiments, observing the natural world and counting things, whether they be words, events or people. These are all activities children naturally love, if given a chance to do them in a genuine way.
What they shouldn’t do is spend tedious hours learning isolated mathematical formulas or memorizing sheets of science facts that are unlikely to matter much in the long run. Scientists know that children learn best by putting experiences together in new ways. They construct knowledge; they don’t swallow it.
Along the way, teachers should spend time each day having sustained conversations with small groups of children. Such conversations give children a chance to support their views with evidence, change their minds and use questions as a way to learn more.
During the school day, there should be extended time for play. Research has shown unequivocally that children learn best when they are interested in the material or activity they are learning. Play — from building contraptions to enacting stories to inventing games — can allow children to satisfy their curiosity about the things that interest them in their own way. It can also help them acquire higher-order thinking skills, like generating testable hypotheses, imagining situations from someone else’s perspective and thinking of alternate solutions.




I disagree with only this part. More and more research is showing that math has to be looked at differently. It is the only subject that does not lend itself to too much of the progressive approach. I am not saying it can't be fun, but these above (bolded) statements make me nervous.

Otherwise, it was well put. This is why we are in private elementary school, we will go public in HS.
Anonymous
You don't have to make such stark choices. Start with rich content and give teachers the freedom to develop integrated units and teach them using a combination of strategies that work for the students in the class.
Anonymous
22:08 -- I think you are confusing the successful regurgitation of facts with true, deep understanding of mathematical concepts. Formulae can always be looked up. Scientists know formulae through frequent use, not because they had to memorize them as kids. But if they don't understand how to use them and what they mean, they are useless.

This article has some great food for thought:
http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf

Would you consider your children to have learned and mastered music if they knew how to read music and could recite theories but had never heard or played music?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:22:08 -- I think you are confusing the successful regurgitation of facts with true, deep understanding of mathematical concepts. Formulae can always be looked up. Scientists know formulae through frequent use, not because they had to memorize them as kids. But if they don't understand how to use them and what they mean, they are useless.

This article has some great food for thought:
http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf

Would you consider your children to have learned and mastered music if they knew how to read music and could recite theories but had never heard or played music?


You can do both. You should do both. There are some facts that need to be in the front of the brain, not in a text. That said, understanding is also important.
BTW, some people will never get to a point where they understand some concepts, some will understand later. Memorization can help them get through the material.
Why is it that whenever we comment on memorization, negative adjectives and terms are used like regurgitation, drill and kill, tedious?

Keep in mind that her approach is costly, and it takes longer to teach everything in this way. Some children may have no interest in a particular area ( I see this with my own kids), and all the experiential teaching can go to waste. That trip to the fire station might inspire 2 out of 20 kids, and it takes up the whole day.

BTW, I am all in favor of much of what she says, but we also have to be practical because of costs. Parents might want to substitute and provide much of what she advocates at home.
I am a proponent of half day school options for kids whose parents just want to schools to provide the basics, then do the rest of the special learning at home.
Anonymous
Eliminate grade levels and benchmarks, and you've probably solved most of the problems facing education today.

However, this is not feasible, as taxpayers want to see accountability. And as we all know, people love to categorize in any way possible - by race, gender, socio-economics, and even age!

Anonymous
Would that we had, at a minimum, "regurgitation of facts" in our schools today.

But most kids don't even memorize a significant number of facts! Not even their multiplcation tables. They just draw rows and rows of circles and count them

That's not an efficient way to do math. And yes, they can always use a calculator, but without actually being able to handle computation in their heads, they will not develop any kind of number sense and will not be able to have common sense to know when their answers are off -- way off.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Eliminate grade levels and benchmarks, and you've probably solved most of the problems facing education today.

However, this is not feasible, as taxpayers want to see accountability. And as we all know, people love to categorize in any way possible - by race, gender, socio-economics, and even age!



If you eliminate benchmarks, plenty of kids would never be taught anything at all!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Would that we had, at a minimum, "regurgitation of facts" in our schools today.

But most kids don't even memorize a significant number of facts! Not even their multiplcation tables. They just draw rows and rows of circles and count them

That's not an efficient way to do math. And yes, they can always use a calculator, but without actually being able to handle computation in their heads, they will not develop any kind of number sense and will not be able to have common sense to know when their answers are off -- way off.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Eliminate grade levels and benchmarks, and you've probably solved most of the problems facing education today.

However, this is not feasible, as taxpayers want to see accountability. And as we all know, people love to categorize in any way possible - by race, gender, socio-economics, and even age!



If you eliminate benchmarks, plenty of kids would never be taught anything at all!


ITA, we have to be real. Most teachers have good intentions, but the all need to be supervised.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Would you consider your children to have learned and mastered music if they knew how to read music and could recite theories but had never heard or played music?


It was an interesting article, but the fact is that beginning music instruction entails a great deal of "boring" repitition of practicing basic notes. Over and over again, boring, drill, drill, practice. This is a D and this is how you make an E. Drill, drill, drill.

You do this until the process becomes automatic, and then WOW! you can fly! You can read music, you don't have to think about how to form the notes any more.

Why bother to drill and practice each individual note so much? After all, can't you just "look it up" if you forget how to make an "E" on the violin? Then look up the next note, and the next one?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Eliminate grade levels and benchmarks, and you've probably solved most of the problems facing education today.

However, this is not feasible, as taxpayers want to see accountability. And as we all know, people love to categorize in any way possible - by race, gender, socio-economics, and even age!



If you eliminate benchmarks, plenty of kids would never be taught anything at all!


ITA, we have to be real. Most teachers have good intentions, but the all need to be supervised.


I'm the poster you are quoting. I am a teacher. I had a huge awakening on this topic the day I showed up to pull a child from her language arts class, only to learn that her teacher was teaching math at that time. But it was OK to remover her from the lesson (introducing a new concept) because, her teacher told me, "her scores don't count on the (state) test."

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Would you consider your children to have learned and mastered music if they knew how to read music and could recite theories but had never heard or played music?


It was an interesting article, but the fact is that beginning music instruction entails a great deal of "boring" repitition of practicing basic notes. Over and over again, boring, drill, drill, practice. This is a D and this is how you make an E. Drill, drill, drill.

You do this until the process becomes automatic, and then WOW! you can fly! You can read music, you don't have to think about how to form the notes any more.

Why bother to drill and practice each individual note so much? After all, can't you just "look it up" if you forget how to make an "E" on the violin? Then look up the next note, and the next one?


Good point!!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:22:08 -- I think you are confusing the successful regurgitation of facts with true, deep understanding of mathematical concepts. Formulae can always be looked up. Scientists know formulae through frequent use, not because they had to memorize them as kids. But if they don't understand how to use them and what they mean, they are useless.

This article has some great food for thought:
http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf

Would you consider your children to have learned and mastered music if they knew how to read music and could recite theories but had never heard or played music?


On second thought...

having nothing better to do, I read that article in it's entirety. What a load of crap!


SIMPLICIO: But don’t we need third graders to be able to do arithmetic?

SALVIATI: Why? You want to train them to calculate 427 plus 389? It’s just not a question that very many eight-year-olds are asking. For that matter, most adults don’t fully understand decimal place-value arithmetic, and you expect third graders to have a clear conception? Or do you not care if they understand it? It is simply too early for that kind of technical training. Of course it can be done, but I think it ultimately does more harm than good. Much better to wait until their own natural curiosity about numbers kicks in.


I'm so sorry, but most adults I know DO understand how to add three digit numbers, and third graders certainly can be taught so as well. Maybe adults who went to some kind of school where math was taught for beauty and joy and exploration, they never got around to learning to actually ADD, but I assure you many of uus went to regular schools and learned to compute just fine!
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