Official Ebola update thread

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Anonymous wrote:So many of the assumptions about stopping Ebola in its tracks rest on bureaucrats' view of human beings engaging in rational behavior. It was not rational behavior for the dr to (allegedly) travel to Brooklyn or wherever via mass transit. Not good.

He didn't have symptoms and he rode the subway. It's not rational to panic about this.

From a PR perspective, terrible idea to ride the subway. But actual risk? None.

He told the hospital he was feeling poor since Tuesday.

He said he felt sluggish. No fever, no other symptoms.

If he had a 103 fever on wed night, he wouldn't have been hopping on the subway. Do you know how bad you feel with a 103 fever?

I sort of understood the ignorance and the government is lying to us about how ebola is spread crap before and during the Duncan case. But seeing what happened there, what are you people thinking?

Two people who cared for him when he was extremely, gravely ill and didn't have proper protection got sick. That's it.

No one knows what his temperature was on the subway. Vomit and urine are common features on the NYC subway, but there have been zero reports that this individual had anything other than an uneventful ride.

Again, have you had a temperature above 101 as an adult? I have and could barely function. Little kids power through, but a high fever in an adult is very debilitating. I wasn't there to take the guy's temp, but doubt it was high if he was out and functioning.

You're rationalizing--or trying to rationalize--what should have been an obvious decision upon feeling unwell: stay home and call the health authorities.

I'm not rationalizing anything. I agree he should have probably stayed home. What I am saying is the risk factor of his actions is negligible.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of the assumptions about stopping Ebola in its tracks rest on bureaucrats' view of human beings engaging in rational behavior. It was not rational behavior for the dr to (allegedly) travel to Brooklyn or wherever via mass transit. Not good.

He didn't have symptoms and he rode the subway. It's not rational to panic about this.

From a PR perspective, terrible idea to ride the subway. But actual risk? None.

He told the hospital he was feeling poor since Tuesday.

He said he felt sluggish. No fever, no other symptoms.

If he had a 103 fever on wed night, he wouldn't have been hopping on the subway. Do you know how bad you feel with a 103 fever?

I sort of understood the ignorance and the government is lying to us about how ebola is spread crap before and during the Duncan case. But seeing what happened there, what are you people thinking?

Two people who cared for him when he was extremely, gravely ill and didn't have proper protection got sick. That's it.

No one knows what his temperature was on the subway. Vomit and urine are common features on the NYC subway, but there have been zero reports that this individual had anything other than an uneventful ride.

Again, have you had a temperature above 101 as an adult? I have and could barely function. Little kids power through, but a high fever in an adult is very debilitating. I wasn't there to take the guy's temp, but doubt it was high if he was out and functioning.

You're rationalizing--or trying to rationalize--what should have been an obvious decision upon feeling unwell: stay home and call the health authorities.

I'm not rationalizing anything. I agree he should have probably stayed home. What I am saying is the risk factor of his actions is negligible.

We don't have enough facts yet to say,

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

Well, we'll know more tomorrow. This could be a game changer or it could not.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

Well, we'll know more tomorrow. This could be a game changer or it could not.

What are you thinking that we'll find out tomorrow about his mental state yesterday?

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Anonymous wrote:Ebola symptoms begin with sudden, high fever. I don't think he was irresponsible. He felt tired for a couple of days, so what? Sounds like he called 911 as soon as fever hit.

+1

The people living in the apartment with Duncan while he was in early days of ebola didn't catch it. This doctor isolated himself as soon as he had symptoms.

Hope the guy is ok. So few people are willing to help in West Africa.[/quote

There has been no indication either way. Disappeared

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

Well, we'll know more tomorrow. This could be a game changer or it could not.

What are you thinking that we'll find out tomorrow about his mental state yesterday?

Not sure what you are talking about. It was just reported that he did not have a fever, apparently, on the subway and did not feel sick while jogging. Who cares what his mental state was? Facts matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

Well, we'll know more tomorrow. This could be a game changer or it could not.

What are you thinking that we'll find out tomorrow about his mental state yesterday?

Not sure what you are talking about. It was just reported that he did not have a fever, apparently, on the subway and did not feel sick while jogging. Who cares what his mental state was? Facts matter.

I speculated about his mental state, that he probably attributed his sluggishness to stress, and not thought of himself as sick until his fever developed. You replied to my post that "we'll know more tomorrow". I'm just not sure what you could have meant by that.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

Well, we'll know more tomorrow. This could be a game changer or it could not.

What are you thinking that we'll find out tomorrow about his mental state yesterday?

Not sure what you are talking about. It was just reported that he did not have a fever, apparently, on the subway and did not feel sick while jogging. Who cares what his mental state was? Facts matter.

I speculated about his mental state, that he probably attributed his sluggishness to stress, and not thought of himself as sick until his fever developed. You replied to my post that "we'll know more tomorrow". I'm just not sure what you could have meant by that.

Know more about the facts of the situation. And the facts seem to be suggesting,at this point, that the situation is low risk for others. And that's that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd hope the folks at NIH have a grip on the actual risk, and not the perceived risk. I agree with the people at NIH.

But the PP said that NIH isn't concerned about Ebola.

Right. I'm not concerned about contracting ebola.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of the assumptions about stopping Ebola in its tracks rest on bureaucrats' view of human beings engaging in rational behavior. It was not rational behavior for the dr to (allegedly) travel to Brooklyn or wherever via mass transit. Not good.

He didn't have symptoms and he rode the subway. It's not rational to panic about this.

From a PR perspective, terrible idea to ride the subway. But actual risk? None.

He told the hospital he was feeling poor since Tuesday.

He said he felt sluggish. No fever, no other symptoms.

If he had a 103 fever on wed night, he wouldn't have been hopping on the subway. Do you know how bad you feel with a 103 fever?

I sort of understood the ignorance and the government is lying to us about how ebola is spread crap before and during the Duncan case. But seeing what happened there, what are you people thinking?

Two people who cared for him when he was extremely, gravely ill and didn't have proper protection got sick. That's it.

No one knows what his temperature was on the subway. Vomit and urine are common features on the NYC subway, but there have been zero reports that this individual had anything other than an uneventful ride.

Again, have you had a temperature above 101 as an adult? I have and could barely function. Little kids power through, but a high fever in an adult is very debilitating. I wasn't there to take the guy's temp, but doubt it was high if he was out and functioning.

You're rationalizing--or trying to rationalize--what should have been an obvious decision upon feeling unwell: stay home and call the health authorities.

Agree. The pp is thinking people are angry because they are afraid they will catch it. In fact, people are angry about him lying about self-quarantine. Perhaps pp thinks this behavoir is ok?

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My prediction is soon you will see the govt telling the medical facilities if they use the word ebola, their jobs will be threatened.

There is pretty much a media blackout on Duncan's family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

Well, we'll know more tomorrow. This could be a game changer or it could not.

What are you thinking that we'll find out tomorrow about his mental state yesterday?

Not sure what you are talking about. It was just reported that he did not have a fever, apparently, on the subway and did not feel sick while jogging. Who cares what his mental state was? Facts matter.

Facts keep changing, now he did have a low grade fever for a few days, felt sluggish, had a headache, and finally went to hospital when he had gasteointestinal issues. Sounds like to me like he was in denial he was sick, like the second nurse who flew to Ohio. While chances he has infected people on the subway or bowlin alley or in the uber car are slim, it does seem irresponsible. Businesses have to close, people can't work because they are quarantined, etc. look at Ohio, I was reading about the bridal store, the owner was afraid she would have to throw out all her inventory and her insurance won't cover it, for example. Besides the medical risks, there are other far reaching consequences. And at some point maybe someone's irresponsibility will just go too far.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read he ran 3 miles on Wednesday. How sluggish can you feel and run 3 miles?

I wonder if it's the type of thing where you look back and think...well maybe I did feel kind of off.

Sometimes I run to shake off sluggishness.

But if it's the kind of sluggishness that you can shake off with a nice long distance run, I'm not sure I'd think "Oh, I'm sick".

I also think that the emotional and mental stress of coming back from a trip like that must be enormous. I imagine that emotions and energy levels are probably all over the place for quite a while.

Well, we'll know more tomorrow. This could be a game changer or it could not.

What are you thinking that we'll find out tomorrow about his mental state yesterday?

Not sure what you are talking about. It was just reported that he did not have a fever, apparently, on the subway and did not feel sick while jogging. Who cares what his mental state was? Facts matter.

Facts keep changing, now he did have a low grade fever for a few days, felt sluggish, had a headache, and finally went to hospital when he had gasteointestinal issues. Sounds like to me like he was in denial he was sick, like the second nurse who flew to Ohio. While chances he has infected people on the subway or bowlin alley or in the uber car are slim, it does seem irresponsible. Businesses have to close, people can't work because they are quarantined, etc. look at Ohio, I was reading about the bridal store, the owner was afraid she would have to throw out all her inventory and her insurance won't cover it, for example. Besides the medical risks, there are other far reaching consequences. And at some point maybe someone's irresponsibility will just go too far.

You are correct,