Trump 47 Economy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to remember, how long did posters here say the "Obama economy" extended into the Trump administration? Maybe someone can refresh my memory. Was it 6, 9 or 12 months.

Do you think the current economic conditions are…?

Mostly something Trump inherited 40%
Mostly a result of Trump’s own policies 60%

% say current economic conditions are mostly a result of Trump’s own policies
Dem 86%
GOP 32%
Ind 61%

Reg. voters

NPR/PBS News/Marist Poll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The -.3% is because of a large boost in imports ahead of tariffs, which is a negative in GPD calculations.

Imports do not reduce GDP.

In the GDP formula they are subtracted because they are included in C, I and G, and the goal is to isolate domestic production.

If imports hadn't surged, CIG would be lower. Imports are independent of domestic production.

GDP = C+I+G +(X–M)

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/09/do-imports-subtract-from-gdp/

Steering the economy constantly with artificial subsidies like massive green energy subsidies causes economic dislocation and deficits. Who knew?

Now we're like a heroine addict coming off the sugar. Printing dollars endlessly and dropping helicopter money everywhere had long term consequences. Shocking, eh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The -.3% is because of a large boost in imports ahead of tariffs, which is a negative in GPD calculations.

Imports do not reduce GDP.

In the GDP formula they are subtracted because they are included in C, I and G, and the goal is to isolate domestic production.

If imports hadn't surged, CIG would be lower. Imports are independent of domestic production.

GDP = C+I+G +(X–M)

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/09/do-imports-subtract-from-gdp/

Steering the economy constantly with artificial subsidies like massive green energy subsidies causes economic dislocation and deficits. Who knew?

Now we're like a heroine addict coming off the sugar. Printing dollars endlessly and dropping helicopter money everywhere had long term consequences. Shocking, eh?

Non sequitur says what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The -.3% is because of a large boost in imports ahead of tariffs, which is a negative in GPD calculations.

Imports do not reduce GDP.

In the GDP formula they are subtracted because they are included in C, I and G, and the goal is to isolate domestic production.

If imports hadn't surged, CIG would be lower. Imports are independent of domestic production.

GDP = C+I+G +(X–M)

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/09/do-imports-subtract-from-gdp/

Steering the economy constantly with artificial subsidies like massive green energy subsidies causes economic dislocation and deficits. Who knew?

Now we're like a heroine addict coming off the sugar. Printing dollars endlessly and dropping helicopter money everywhere had long term consequences. Shocking, eh?

The US Government has spent $220 billion more dollars in 1Q 2025 than in 1Q 2024.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The -.3% is because of a large boost in imports ahead of tariffs, which is a negative in GPD calculations.

Imports do not reduce GDP.

In the GDP formula they are subtracted because they are included in C, I and G, and the goal is to isolate domestic production.

If imports hadn't surged, CIG would be lower. Imports are independent of domestic production.

GDP = C+I+G +(X–M)

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/09/do-imports-subtract-from-gdp/

Steering the economy constantly with artificial subsidies like massive green energy subsidies causes economic dislocation and deficits. Who knew?

Now we're like a heroine addict coming off the sugar. Printing dollars endlessly and dropping helicopter money everywhere had long term consequences. Shocking, eh?

Green economy is a triple bottom line benefit:

- green jobs
- cleaner air and water which has a positive impact on the environment and public health
- energy independence which also means the US can export oil and gas and also save on military spending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The -.3% is because of a large boost in imports ahead of tariffs, which is a negative in GPD calculations.

Imports do not reduce GDP.

In the GDP formula they are subtracted because they are included in C, I and G, and the goal is to isolate domestic production.

If imports hadn't surged, CIG would be lower. Imports are independent of domestic production.

GDP = C+I+G +(X–M)

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/09/do-imports-subtract-from-gdp/

Steering the economy constantly with artificial subsidies like massive green energy subsidies causes economic dislocation and deficits. Who knew?

Now we're like a heroine addict coming off the sugar. Printing dollars endlessly and dropping helicopter money everywhere had long term consequences. Shocking, eh?

Such a bizarre economic analogy. Did Ron Varra tell you that? SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine the numbers for Q2 and Q3, with no foreign tourists, 250K federal workers laid off, and agriculture exports at a standstill.

“BE PATIENT!!!” 🤪

In other words, Trump is saying "be patient, the Democrat I get elected to President in 2028 because of my incompetence will fix it".

Trump is lying, lying lying as always.

When he took office, we had historically low unemployment. Yes, inflation was too high, but eggs were still about $3 a dozen. People were working, the stock market was stable, things were going well for the vast majority of Americans.

Now? Look around. In a few weeks, store shelves will be empty because of his "beautiful" tariffs. And once a supply chain has been disrupted or dismantled, it takes a long time for it to recover. Get ready for higher prices, because you're going to be paying them. And once they go up, they won't go down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to remember, how long did posters here say the "Obama economy" extended into the Trump administration? Maybe someone can refresh my memory. Was it 6, 9 or 12 months.

BS. I watch the stock market every day multiple times a day. Literally the second Trump talks tariffs, it dips significantly. Every recent dip is related to tariffs. In one day, I had never seen anything like this- he implemented tariffs, marker drops, a single tweet about a 90 day moratorium goes viral, the market completely rebounds like 1000 pts mid day, the administration denies the rumor, the market immediately plummets again.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The -.3% is because of a large boost in imports ahead of tariffs, which is a negative in GPD calculations.

Imports do not reduce GDP.

In the GDP formula they are subtracted because they are included in C, I and G, and the goal is to isolate domestic production.

If imports hadn't surged, CIG would be lower. Imports are independent of domestic production.

GDP = C+I+G +(X–M)

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/09/do-imports-subtract-from-gdp/

Steering the economy constantly with artificial subsidies like massive green energy subsidies causes economic dislocation and deficits. Who knew?

Now we're like a heroine addict coming off the sugar. Printing dollars endlessly and dropping helicopter money everywhere had long term consequences. Shocking, eh?

Green economy is a triple bottom line benefit:

- green jobs
- cleaner air and water which has a positive impact on the environment and public health
- energy independence which also means the US can export oil and gas and also save on military spending.

Nope.

- Green jobs are artificial and expensive - unless the government mandates and subsidizes, they aren't appearing in the first place
- crap like forcing EV buying through mandates like federal fleets for the post office are expensive and borne by the tax payer
- forcing the military to purchase biofuels instead of petroleum is expensive
- at the end of that EV charging station is a smokestack, so no again on clean air
- allowing China to poor mouth itself as a developing economy while we unilaterally shoot ourselves in the foot through artificial feel-good mandates kills our competivesness in a global economy
- the more you spend on artificial edicts like green energy, the more you starve other industries because tax revenue cannot be spent in two places at once. We were literally starving other industries because of political mandates from the ivory towers of Washington DC.

Command economies fail every time.

Learn to see ALL sides of the argument, not just the ones you want to tout. There are positives and negatives to every spending decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to remember, how long did posters here say the "Obama economy" extended into the Trump administration? Maybe someone can refresh my memory. Was it 6, 9 or 12 months.

BS. I watch the stock market every day multiple times a day. Literally the second Trump talks tariffs, it dips significantly. Every recent dip is related to tariffs. In one day, I had never seen anything like this- he implemented tariffs, marker drops, a single tweet about a 90 day moratorium goes viral, the market completely rebounds like 1000 pts mid day, the administration denies the rumor, the market immediately plummets again.

The market isn't the economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to remember, how long did posters here say the "Obama economy" extended into the Trump administration? Maybe someone can refresh my memory. Was it 6, 9 or 12 months.

BS. I watch the stock market every day multiple times a day. Literally the second Trump talks tariffs, it dips significantly. Every recent dip is related to tariffs. In one day, I had never seen anything like this- he implemented tariffs, marker drops, a single tweet about a 90 day moratorium goes viral, the market completely rebounds like 1000 pts mid day, the administration denies the rumor, the market immediately plummets again.

The market isn't the economy.

Tell that to my busted 401k thanks to Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The -.3% is because of a large boost in imports ahead of tariffs, which is a negative in GPD calculations.

Imports do not reduce GDP.

In the GDP formula they are subtracted because they are included in C, I and G, and the goal is to isolate domestic production.

If imports hadn't surged, CIG would be lower. Imports are independent of domestic production.

GDP = C+I+G +(X–M)

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/09/do-imports-subtract-from-gdp/

Steering the economy constantly with artificial subsidies like massive green energy subsidies causes economic dislocation and deficits. Who knew?

Now we're like a heroine addict coming off the sugar. Printing dollars endlessly and dropping helicopter money everywhere had long term consequences. Shocking, eh?

Green economy is a triple bottom line benefit:

- green jobs
- cleaner air and water which has a positive impact on the environment and public health
- energy independence which also means the US can export oil and gas and also save on military spending.

Nope.

- Green jobs are artificial and expensive - unless the government mandates and subsidizes, they aren't appearing in the first place
- crap like forcing EV buying through mandates like federal fleets for the post office are expensive and borne by the tax payer
- forcing the military to purchase biofuels instead of petroleum is expensive
- at the end of that EV charging station is a smokestack, so no again on clean air
- allowing China to poor mouth itself as a developing economy while we unilaterally shoot ourselves in the foot through artificial feel-good mandates kills our competivesness in a global economy
- the more you spend on artificial edicts like green energy, the more you starve other industries because tax revenue cannot be spent in two places at once. We were literally starving other industries because of political mandates from the ivory towers of Washington DC.

Command economies fail every time.

Learn to see ALL sides of the argument, not just the ones you want to tout. There are positives and negatives to every spending decision.

Your assertions and assumptions are rooted in 2005 rhetoric. Things have changed significantly on every single point you are trying to make.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone actually believe teh 177k jobs number?

Is this Biden's economy or Trump's?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When this kicks in, there will be millions impacted

https://acasignups.net/25/05/01/and-so-it-begins-aetnacvs-pulling-out-aca-exchanges-next-year-gop-allows-ira-subsidies

and not in a good way.

The most people losing coverage will be in Red states, where Aetna appears to have concentrated their ACA numbers: Florida, Georgia, North Carolia, and Texas

Florida is really getting rocked by insurers.