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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Manchin and Sinema refused to change the filibuster rule for this particular vote. It wasn;t for lack of trying. Needed more actual democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

I guess you are forgetting that at the time, you needed 60 votes in the senate, so just having a majority wasn't enough.

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What does the article say? Is this Doug Jones who was briefly a US senator or some other Doug Jones?

Yes, it’s former Alabama Senator Doug Jones. The article is here: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/09/inside-the-gops-operation-to-retire-manchin-00126472

Well there you go. The article is about the Republicans trying to regain control of the Senate.

And it includes other issues such as this excerpt,

"After the governor got in the race, McConnell’s campaign chief, Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), spent months trying to persuade former President Donald Trump to endorse Justice, according to a person familiar with the discussions. During the ultimately successful operation, Daines argued to Trump that endorsing Justice could knock Manchin out of the race — and make the Democrat more likely to run for president, siphoning votes from Biden."

What a stunning move. The leading Republican candidate for president endorsed a Republican candidate for the Senate.

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What does the article say? Is this Doug Jones who was briefly a US senator or some other Doug Jones?

Yes, it’s former Alabama Senator Doug Jones. The article is here: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/09/inside-the-gops-operation-to-retire-manchin-00126472

Well there you go. The article is about the Republicans trying to regain control of the Senate.

And it includes other issues such as this excerpt,

"After the governor got in the race, McConnell’s campaign chief, Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), spent months trying to persuade former President Donald Trump to endorse Justice, according to a person familiar with the discussions. During the ultimately successful operation, Daines argued to Trump that endorsing Justice could knock Manchin out of the race — and make the Democrat more likely to run for president, siphoning votes from Biden."

What a stunning move. The leading Republican candidate for president endorsed a Republican candidate for the Senate.

Woosh. Not that part.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had their poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden and Trump received 155 million votes combined in 2020. They will get a lot more votes in 2024. Turnout in 2020 was 67%. Third party share of the total popular vote was less than 2%. If there is a groundswell of support for radical change to our current 2-party system, I’m not seeing it.