Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

What a total load of BS that is. Anyone with a degree or who knows a current teacher can tell you how hard it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

girl i just have to tell you that this is NOT how "bust a nut" should be used

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

What a total load of BS that is. Anyone with a degree or who knows a current teacher can tell you how hard it is.

Are you talking about how hard an M.Ed is? Because I have gone through that program at a decent public university, and uh...yeah. My colleagues were decidedly not geniuses, and the coursework was not terribly challenging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

girl i just have to tell you that this is NOT how "bust a nut" should be used

You don't know that her mom wasn't getting off each night thinking of her students. It was the 70's man

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

Especially in STEM. To complete a bachelor’s in “Math Education” you have to take Calculus 1 & II, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations, and usually some CS & Physics classes. At that point, might as well major in Computer Science, Engineering, Applied Math or Physics and get a good corporate job right out of school. If you can get good grades in proofs-based college-level math classes, you have very little incentive to become a schoolteacher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

Ah yes, the bottom 20% are teaching your kids Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Computer Science, Music, and how to write a coherent essay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

Ah yes, the bottom 20% are teaching your kids Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Computer Science, Music, and how to write a coherent essay.

Haha yeah, it's strange that parents throw this out there like it's just common knowledge and use it to bash teachers instead of trying to help improve anything. I guess their kids just don't need decent teachers so they're not concerned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Your kids are on their phones or roaming the hallways as slowly as they can during class and missing most of our instruction. They don't give a F about what we teach since Tiktok and their gameboy are so much more fun. Why should we stay longer if they're not paying attention? Do you tell your boss to stay longer and reexplain things to you because you weren't paying attention during the meeting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

Ah yes, the bottom 20% are teaching your kids Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Computer Science, Music, and how to write a coherent essay.

Haha yeah, it's strange that parents throw this out there like it's just common knowledge and use it to bash teachers instead of trying to help improve anything. I guess their kids just don't need decent teachers so they're not concerned?

Seriously, who still thinks this in 2023?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

What a total load of BS that is. Anyone with a degree or who knows a current teacher can tell you how hard it is.

Are you talking about how hard an M.Ed is? Because I have gone through that program at a decent public university, and uh...yeah. My colleagues were decidedly not geniuses, and the coursework was not terribly challenging.

But all the students in an M.Ed program have already taken their undergraduate majors in their subjects. And you have people coming from all different qualities of undergrad institutions to take their M.Ed. The M.Ed is a fairly generic introduction to pedagogy, principles and research on learning, child development etc. But it's not going to be as challenging of course content as your undergraduate major in a discipline as it has to be fairly generic professional preparation for people from a wide range of backgrounds. However learning to enact it well in the classroom is much harder. I don't think this speaks to the broader quality of students that go into education. I think you still get plenty of top arts and humanities students going into teaching fields because there aren't that many options out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

What a total load of BS that is. Anyone with a degree or who knows a current teacher can tell you how hard it is.

Are you talking about how hard an M.Ed is? Because I have gone through that program at a decent public university, and uh...yeah. My colleagues were decidedly not geniuses, and the coursework was not terribly challenging.

But all the students in an M.Ed program have already taken their undergraduate majors in their subjects. And you have people coming from all different qualities of undergrad institutions to take their M.Ed. The M.Ed is a fairly generic introduction to pedagogy, principles and research on learning, child development etc. But it's not going to be as challenging of course content as your undergraduate major in a discipline as it has to be fairly generic professional preparation for people from a wide range of backgrounds. However learning to enact it well in the classroom is much harder. I don't think this speaks to the broader quality of students that go into education. I think you still get plenty of top arts and humanities students going into teaching fields because there aren't that many options out there.

+1

I would hate for anyone to judge my intellect based on the rigor (or lack of) in the M.Ed. program I attended. I went to a highly ranked school for undergrad and double majored in two non-education subjects.
I went to the grad school that gave me the best deal because I did not want massive student loans with a 40k salary.

[Anonymous]

I don't want to derail this thread as a non-teacher but as a parent I am deeply concerned by the state of education in our country and therefore am reading threads like this to learn and hear perspectives.

For context, I often disagree with the educational policies that both political parties espouse and have considered myself a moderate independent for several years. I believe that we need a robust, thriving capitalist economy that innovates and offers diverse employment opportunities. I also believe that our nation needs to be investing in education and teachers much more efficiently and effectively than it currently is.

Culturally somehow we adults have also really lost sight of acting consistently and making small choices in the best interests of students. There is a palpable sense of overwhelm everywhere with teachers, administrators, and parents. Behavior standards, safety, grading standards, and so many other elements in schools are crumbling. There seem to be whipsaw decisions determining best practices in teaching and frequent ideological warfare instead of solutions and compromises. And yet the same rigid curricula often seem to permeate schools that doesn't necessarily prepare students well for college and/or the job market.

So. There seems to be little doubt that we need to attract teachers to the profession, we need to improve teacher quality standards, and teachers need to be able to afford to live comfortably. I don't know enough about the red tape teachers face but there seems to be a lot of that too.

What would move the needle? A loan forgiveness program that would waive loans while the teacher is actively employed and meeting certain standards? What would those standards look like? Is there a bonus structure that can be implemented to encourage excellence? Is there a more reasonable way to help ESOL/FARMS/SN kids get the support they need while not straining attention for classmates that are ready to move faster? What is preventing behavior mandates that phones are put away during class, kids are expected to behave and abusive parent entitlement behaviors are not placated?

I'd like to advocate for positive change. The solutions are not solely in voting for one political party IMO. Would value your insights, if you are willing to offer them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

girl i just have to tell you that this is NOT how "bust a nut" should be used

You don't know that her mom wasn't getting off each night thinking of her students. It was the 70's man

Almost spit my coffee on my work laptop. Urban Dictionary is your friend man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to derail this thread as a non-teacher but as a parent I am deeply concerned by the state of education in our country and therefore am reading threads like this to learn and hear perspectives.

For context, I often disagree with the educational policies that both political parties espouse and have considered myself a moderate independent for several years. I believe that we need a robust, thriving capitalist economy that innovates and offers diverse employment opportunities. I also believe that our nation needs to be investing in education and teachers much more efficiently and effectively than it currently is.

Culturally somehow we adults have also really lost sight of acting consistently and making small choices in the best interests of students. There is a palpable sense of overwhelm everywhere with teachers, administrators, and parents. Behavior standards, safety, grading standards, and so many other elements in schools are crumbling. There seem to be whipsaw decisions determining best practices in teaching and frequent ideological warfare instead of solutions and compromises. And yet the same rigid curricula often seem to permeate schools that doesn't necessarily prepare students well for college and/or the job market.

So. There seems to be little doubt that we need to attract teachers to the profession, we need to improve teacher quality standards, and teachers need to be able to afford to live comfortably. I don't know enough about the red tape teachers face but there seems to be a lot of that too.

What would move the needle? A loan forgiveness program that would waive loans while the teacher is actively employed and meeting certain standards? What would those standards look like? Is there a bonus structure that can be implemented to encourage excellence? Is there a more reasonable way to help ESOL/FARMS/SN kids get the support they need while not straining attention for classmates that are ready to move faster? What is preventing behavior mandates that phones are put away during class, kids are expected to behave and abusive parent entitlement behaviors are not placated?

I'd like to advocate for positive change. The solutions are not solely in voting for one political party IMO. Would value your insights, if you are willing to offer them.

Very thoughtful post. I wish there were a way to have the thoughtful posts rise to the top or have a place where constructive minds could convene. One of those places is individual private, public and charter schools that have a specific culture. But that doesn’t help us discuss education at large.