Thought it was difficult to find child care pre-COVID?

[Anonymous]

I’m afraid we have no idea what’s in store. This is one reason we went back. I want to lock in a place and help support our center. I’m afraid parents aren’t considering how tough it might be to find a spot with thousands of centers closing in the region. Waitlists were already ridiculous and costs were already insane pre-COVID. How is no one talking about this?

https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/thousands-of-local-child-care-centers-closed-due-to-covid-19/2406310/

[Anonymous]

And yet, people crow about how horrible we are for sending our kid to preschool.

[Anonymous]

Huge mess. America has no plan. This makes me weep for our country.

Richest country in the world. Used to have the biggest and best scientific and public health infrastructure in the world. And a corrupt president* and his corrupt party are lighting that on fire in order to cash in themselves.


* who is in office only with massive voter suppression, notably Black voter suppression in Philly and Milwaukee and Detroit.

[Anonymous]

And this is why we continue to shell out 2K a month for daycare we haven't been to since mid-March. Gotta hold that spot!

[Anonymous]

We got in very easily into a new daycare in July when our old one closed indirectly due to Covid. The new place typically has a long waitlist but several families had decided to withdraw so there was ample space.

[Anonymous]

This doesn't give a lot of information. Some of those centers probably were struggling and were going to go under regardless. And, many got federal funds and parents like previous posters are fully paying to keep their spot (which may not be there when they want it) so where is that money going. What concerned me was all the positive cases and how many chemicals they were spraying onto surfaces to disinfect and how much of that get injected by kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't give a lot of information. Some of those centers probably were struggling and were going to go under regardless. And, many got federal funds and parents like previous posters are fully paying to keep their spot (which may not be there when they want it) so where is that money going. What concerned me was all the positive cases and how many chemicals they were spraying onto surfaces to disinfect and how much of that get injected by kids.

The center we were at typically had very long wait lists for non siblings — like 18 months in many cases. Now they are operating at 30% capacity. How long do you think they can maintain that even with staff reductions and some people paying. The math just doesn’t work.

And they are just using typical cleaning products they would use any way. If it weren’t for mass hysteria parents like you that thought that covid posed an outsized danger in day care centers when all evidence shows that it clearly doesn’t when basic safety measures are taken like mask wearing from adults, limiting or eliminating parents and non-staff from entering the center, and increasing hand washing, then they would not be adopting these completely unnecessary and scientifically unsupported “deep cleaning” practices. They are a waste of resources and all for show. You, lady, are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want a more substantive article and study, here is one from Berkeley. It’s focus is in California, but there’s no reason to think what’s happening there is markedly different that what is happening here for in many other parts of the country.

“The challenges are stark for programs that remain open:

Eight-five percent reported reduced enrollment, with the average number of students cut roughly in half.
Seventy-seven percent reported lost income, and significant numbers of providers reported they have missed rent or mortgage payments and used personal credit cards to cover expenses. Just over 40% said they have, at times, been unable to pay themselves.
Even as revenues fall, 67% reported higher staffing costs to meet health and safety requirements.
Eighty percent reported higher costs for sanitation and protective gear.”

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/22/california-child-care-system-collapsing-under-covid-19-berkeley-report-says/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't give a lot of information. Some of those centers probably were struggling and were going to go under regardless. And, many got federal funds and parents like previous posters are fully paying to keep their spot (which may not be there when they want it) so where is that money going. What concerned me was all the positive cases and how many chemicals they were spraying onto surfaces to disinfect and how much of that get injected by kids.

The center we were at typically had very long wait lists for non siblings — like 18 months in many cases. Now they are operating at 30% capacity. How long do you think they can maintain that even with staff reductions and some people paying. The math just doesn’t work.

And they are just using typical cleaning products they would use any way. If it weren’t for mass hysteria parents like you that thought that covid posed an outsized danger in day care centers when all evidence shows that it clearly doesn’t when basic safety measures are taken like mask wearing from adults, limiting or eliminating parents and non-staff from entering the center, and increasing hand washing, then they would not be adopting these completely unnecessary and scientifically unsupported “deep cleaning” practices. They are a waste of resources and all for show. You, lady, are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want a more substantive article and study, here is one from Berkeley. It’s focus is in California, but there’s no reason to think what’s happening there is markedly different that what is happening here for in many other parts of the country.

“The challenges are stark for programs that remain open:

Eight-five percent reported reduced enrollment, with the average number of students cut roughly in half.
Seventy-seven percent reported lost income, and significant numbers of providers reported they have missed rent or mortgage payments and used personal credit cards to cover expenses. Just over 40% said they have, at times, been unable to pay themselves.
Even as revenues fall, 67% reported higher staffing costs to meet health and safety requirements.
Eighty percent reported higher costs for sanitation and protective gear.”

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/22/california-child-care-system-collapsing-under-covid-19-berkeley-report-says/

+1. With school reopenings and the election dominating the spotlight right now, the childcare crisis has really fallen off the radar but that doesn’t mean it’s gone away. And it’s probably going to get worse. Our kids are back but our center has pretty much told us they don’t know how long they can survive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't give a lot of information. Some of those centers probably were struggling and were going to go under regardless. And, many got federal funds and parents like previous posters are fully paying to keep their spot (which may not be there when they want it) so where is that money going. What concerned me was all the positive cases and how many chemicals they were spraying onto surfaces to disinfect and how much of that get injected by kids.

And they are just using typical cleaning products they would use any way. If it weren’t for mass hysteria parents like you that thought that covid posed an outsized danger in day care centers when all evidence shows that it clearly doesn’t when basic safety measures are taken like mask wearing from adults, limiting or eliminating parents and non-staff from entering the center, and increasing hand washing, then they would not be adopting these completely unnecessary and scientifically unsupported “deep cleaning” practices. They are a waste of resources and all for show. You, lady, are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.

NP. Certainly sympathetic with the plight that many daycares now face, particularly small ones, but our daycare has followed every precaution you mentioned and then some (masks, pods, no parents inside, frequent toy cleaning, etc.), and still had two confirmed cases of Covid. To put it another way, “You are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't give a lot of information. Some of those centers probably were struggling and were going to go under regardless. And, many got federal funds and parents like previous posters are fully paying to keep their spot (which may not be there when they want it) so where is that money going. What concerned me was all the positive cases and how many chemicals they were spraying onto surfaces to disinfect and how much of that get injected by kids.

And they are just using typical cleaning products they would use any way. If it weren’t for mass hysteria parents like you that thought that covid posed an outsized danger in day care centers when all evidence shows that it clearly doesn’t when basic safety measures are taken like mask wearing from adults, limiting or eliminating parents and non-staff from entering the center, and increasing hand washing, then they would not be adopting these completely unnecessary and scientifically unsupported “deep cleaning” practices. They are a waste of resources and all for show. You, lady, are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.

NP. Certainly sympathetic with the plight that many daycares now face, particularly small ones, but our daycare has followed every precaution you mentioned and then some (masks, pods, no parents inside, frequent toy cleaning, etc.), and still had two confirmed cases of Covid. To put it another way, “You are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.”

Two kids in the same class where one caught if from another? Or two cases that weren’t related (and may have been contracted elsewhere?).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't give a lot of information. Some of those centers probably were struggling and were going to go under regardless. And, many got federal funds and parents like previous posters are fully paying to keep their spot (which may not be there when they want it) so where is that money going. What concerned me was all the positive cases and how many chemicals they were spraying onto surfaces to disinfect and how much of that get injected by kids.

And they are just using typical cleaning products they would use any way. If it weren’t for mass hysteria parents like you that thought that covid posed an outsized danger in day care centers when all evidence shows that it clearly doesn’t when basic safety measures are taken like mask wearing from adults, limiting or eliminating parents and non-staff from entering the center, and increasing hand washing, then they would not be adopting these completely unnecessary and scientifically unsupported “deep cleaning” practices. They are a waste of resources and all for show. You, lady, are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.

NP. Certainly sympathetic with the plight that many daycares now face, particularly small ones, but our daycare has followed every precaution you mentioned and then some (masks, pods, no parents inside, frequent toy cleaning, etc.), and still had two confirmed cases of Covid. To put it another way, “You are part of the problem and have no idea what you are talking about.”

Two kids in the same class where one caught if from another? Or two cases that weren’t related (and may have been contracted elsewhere?).

Or more likely, two staffers caught it in the community and it didn’t spread in the center because of the protocols being followed.

I don’t get how people don’t understand that protocols being followed in a day care or school don’t prevent staff or teachers from contracting COVID in the community (and it can be particularly difficult for workers who may have family in high risk jobs or who live in high risk communities). It simply helps prevent outbreaks at the center, and centers have been extraordinarily effective at doing this.