ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

Game the system? Your ignorance is glaring if you believe late summer kids are held back simply to "game the system". And who decides when kids are "supposed" to start school? Clearly its not a easy/hard cutoff given all the different state imposed cutoffs throughout the country.

Except all the national leagues said they'd act as one to avoid needing any sort of SY +60 system. What they come up with remains to be seen. I guess it could impact USYS the most if state associations adopt their own calendars as state cup champions have a pathway to compete in their national championships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

Yeah sounds like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

Game the system? Your ignorance is glaring if you believe late summer kids are held back simply to "game the system". And who decides when kids are "supposed" to start school? Clearly its not a easy/hard cutoff given all the different state imposed cutoffs throughout the country.

At some point you need to stop looking for exceptions for your kids. The real world, with all its unfairness, will hit them sooner or later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just chatted with some 2011 parents who are getting two trapped 2010s this spring. They are pissed off. Not a great situation for the unwelcome trapped players coming in taking playtime and not a great situation for the 2011 starting CB that’s losing her spot to a 2010 this spring.

Clubs making these moves like this already? This is ECNL?

ECNL already allows for a limited number of trapped players to play down but it's only allowed during the High School soccer season.

People are probably getting this confused with ECNL allowing trapped players to play down the entire season. Which isn't allowed currently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

Game the system? Your ignorance is glaring if you believe late summer kids are held back simply to "game the system". And who decides when kids are "supposed" to start school? Clearly its not a easy/hard cutoff given all the different state imposed cutoffs throughout the country.

Except all the national leagues said they'd act as one to avoid needing any sort of SY +60 system. What they come up with remains to be seen. I guess it could impact USYS the most if state associations adopt their own calendars as state cup champions have a pathway to compete in their national championships.

P.S. ... AND maybe that's the solution, if you want to play on a team in your grade, play USYS. Their national league isn't considered the top one BUT still has very elite competition travel and all the bells and whistles (college scouting) and some of their players have gone on to great acclaim (while also playing in the other elite leagues).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

And keep in mind the most you can "game the system" is by 2 months.

Nobody is going out of their way to game a system for a RAE advantage of 2 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

My DD has an October birthday so no dog in this fight. But isn't the number of July or August players misaligned going to be fairly insignificant? Or does everyone being extremely vocal against this think all of a sudden all parents of July and August birthday's are going to start delaying their kids starting school because of future soccer ambitions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

Ok, so for DMV teams, +60 helps July and August kids who either (a) moved to the DMV after starting school in a system that had a school cutoff date between 7/1 and 8/31 (I'm somewhat sympathetic to this group) or (b) started school in the DMV and have parents who wanted them to be the oldest in their grade and so held them back a year. Do I have this right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

And keep in mind the most you can "game the system" is by 2 months.

Nobody is going out of their way to game a system for a RAE advantage of 2 months.

Except that over time you'll see these teams have the first 2-4 months end up being most of the players on any one team. That's RAE (and youth soccer preferring size and speed over perhaps skill), so it's not so much gaming as the eventual reality AND then when one team with a bunch of older players wins, there will be quite the kerfuffle.

But we probably won't see that in the national leagues to avoid that, so maybe the solution is mid and lower tier competition will have this to accommodate the masses while not so much at the highest levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

Ok, so for DMV teams, +60 helps July and August kids who either (a) moved to the DMV after starting school in a system that had a school cutoff date between 7/1 and 8/31 (I'm somewhat sympathetic to this group) or (b) started school in the DMV and have parents who wanted them to be the oldest in their grade and so held them back a year. Do I have this right?

Yes all correct.

Parents could technically hold their kid back if they were a 7/1 to 9/1. But you're not really gaining much of an advantage because all you're doing is making your kid the same age as other states with an earlier (8/1,7/1) start date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

And keep in mind the most you can "game the system" is by 2 months.

Nobody is going out of their way to game a system for a RAE advantage of 2 months.

Except that over time you'll see these teams have the first 2-4 months end up being most of the players on any one team. That's RAE (and youth soccer preferring size and speed over perhaps skill), so it's not so much gaming as the eventual reality AND then when one team with a bunch of older players wins, there will be quite the kerfuffle.

But we probably won't see that in the national leagues to avoid that, so maybe the solution is mid and lower tier competition will have this to accommodate the masses while not so much at the highest levels.

That works very well + makes a lot of sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

My DD has an October birthday so no dog in this fight. But isn't the number of July or August players misaligned going to be fairly insignificant? Or does everyone being extremely vocal against this think all of a sudden all parents of July and August birthday's are going to start delaying their kids starting school because of future soccer ambitions?

No, it will be significant as many July and August kids start school older even in 9/1 cutoff states. This is the growing trend and is recommended by many educators assessing Kindergarten readiness and pediatricians for a whole host of non-sports reasons. And also, the vast majority of parents aren’t delaying Kindergarten start due to a perceived advantage in soccer. Good grief. Some corner cases of uber competitive parents of 5 year olds, maybe. But on the whole no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

Ok, so for DMV teams, +60 helps July and August kids who either (a) moved to the DMV after starting school in a system that had a school cutoff date between 7/1 and 8/31 (I'm somewhat sympathetic to this group) or (b) started school in the DMV and have parents who wanted them to be the oldest in their grade and so held them back a year. Do I have this right?

Yes all correct.

Parents could technically hold their kid back if they were a 7/1 to 9/1. But you're not really gaining much of an advantage because all you're doing is making your kid the same age as other states with an earlier (8/1,7/1) start date.

Good point! But which states are 7/1?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

And keep in mind the most you can "game the system" is by 2 months.

Nobody is going out of their way to game a system for a RAE advantage of 2 months.

Except that over time you'll see these teams have the first 2-4 months end up being most of the players on any one team. That's RAE (and youth soccer preferring size and speed over perhaps skill), so it's not so much gaming as the eventual reality AND then when one team with a bunch of older players wins, there will be quite the kerfuffle.

But we probably won't see that in the national leagues to avoid that, so maybe the solution is mid and lower tier competition will have this to accommodate the masses while not so much at the highest levels.

Yeah, and ironically the kids who are hurt the most also are July and August kids, except it's the ones who started school on time, as they will have to deal with teammates who are more than a year older than them.

If we're going to create special exceptions from 12-month groups, let's go all the way to the Spanish model and group kids in 24-month blocks.