Bernie Sanders can be cranky and repetitive, but he is sincere, and I like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of Trump's policies are working well. Not all, but many.

Like what? And you know what, I don’t like living in a corrupt oligarchy with “some policies working well.” I’d give Bernie a chance.

Like bearing down on China heavily with with economic policies and the trade war.

That didn’t work. We ended up paying 19 billion in subsidies to farmers who have lost their market share.

Next?

No, that actually IS working. We're letting the Chinese know they need to get out of our networks and stop stealing intellectual property from us. It's a slow learning curve, but the message is being received. Trust me.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol the Federalist.

By the way, who funds the Federalist? Does anybody here know?

BTW, all of it is sourced by other than the federalist. Much of it is on camera and in interviews. Still gonna deny what he is?

I’m not a Bernie supporter but I don’t buy your desire to create hysteria about him. I don’t hold people accountable for things they said 30 years ago.

People are held accountable for anything they said - until they are able to explain how they have changed since then.

Look, Bernie is 78. 30 years ago he was 48, a fully grown and functional man. Not a 20 year old college idiot enamored with socialist revolutions in failed communist regimes. One can forgive the latter, but not so easily the former. I do not say Bernie can't have changed his minds as he learned more about the realities of the regimes he praised and their orthodoxies but as far as I can tell he hasn't done that.

Why this is relevant is that because if he's the nominee, the Republican hit machine is going to slam him so hard on everything he's said and done 30 years ago. And they will be justified in doing so. Until Bernie explains and also explains how he's changed from the past. That's why the Democratic leadership are very concerned about Bernie wining the nomination. It doesn't matter what today's polling show - anyone is beating Trump. But when it's a real choice between two candidates, not a hypothetical match up between "any functional person versus Donald Trump," it's a very different story.

There is not a single candidate right now that the “Republican Hit Machine” won’t slam.

I don’t think Bernie is the best candidate but I think it’s entirely possible that he could beat Trump at his own game. He doesn’t have to apologize or explain his past. Has Trump done that? Apologies are for losers, that’s the lesson of 2016.

He has very unsound policy ideas. He's an old-school marxist. That's not going to work here. EVER.

And Trump’s policies and corruption work? I don’t think so.

As Michael once said on the office: “I don’t have to win, I just have to beat YOU.”

Bernie has strong similarities to Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, both are cut from very similar molds, the 1960s communist revolutionaries who never really grew up. Corbyn got destroyed in the British General Election, the worst showing for Labour since the 1930s. And the analysis of the former Labour voters who switched to voting for the Tories made clear that Corbyn himself was the big problem. The reasons given were what you'd expect: weird, promising lots of free things but who's going to pay for it, skeptical and even directly hostile to his decades' long support and refusal to condemn the failed communist regimes. A lot of similarities to Sanders. Just be warned.

Isn’t Corbin also a huge racist who said all kinds of horrible things not 30 years ago, but recently?

Also, Sanders seems more genuine and that matters. He is not just promising “free stuff.” I think he understands that it is hard for middle class people in America and that resonates. Someone like Buttigieg or Biden seem fairly milquetoast or out of touch in comparison.. Again, I don’t particularly think Sanders is the best, but I’m not terribly worried if he does get the nomination.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of Trump's policies are working well. Not all, but many.

Like what? And you know what, I don’t like living in a corrupt oligarchy with “some policies working well.” I’d give Bernie a chance.

Like bearing down on China heavily with with economic policies and the trade war.

That didn’t work. We ended up paying 19 billion in subsidies to farmers who have lost their market share.

Next?

No, that actually IS working. We're letting the Chinese know they need to get out of our networks and stop stealing intellectual property from us. It's a slow learning curve, but the message is being received. Trust me.

Nope. We’ve lost a complete farming industry, we lost the steel industry (again) and exactly what concessions have we gotten from the Chinese? Is any of this written down somewhere? Or is it all the subject of “negotiations?”

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Actually trade agreements are written down. Do Trump supporters not know this?

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Anonymous wrote:So if Bernie forgives student loan debt, who pays it, since it's already spent?

Why cannot Bernie direct the military funding to pay for student loan?

What are your plans when airplanes start flying into buildings?

Sorry but we had a bloated inefficient military before 9/11 and it’s only gotten worse.

Dude, the worst example of this is the F35 which Bernie loves because they build it in Vermont.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/why-bernie-sanders-is-backing-a-15-trillion-military-boondoggle.html

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Anonymous wrote:Lol the Federalist.

By the way, who funds the Federalist? Does anybody here know?

BTW, all of it is sourced by other than the federalist. Much of it is on camera and in interviews. Still gonna deny what he is?

I’m not a Bernie supporter but I don’t buy your desire to create hysteria about him. I don’t hold people accountable for things they said 30 years ago.

People are held accountable for anything they said - until they are able to explain how they have changed since then.

Look, Bernie is 78. 30 years ago he was 48, a fully grown and functional man. Not a 20 year old college idiot enamored with socialist revolutions in failed communist regimes. One can forgive the latter, but not so easily the former. I do not say Bernie can't have changed his minds as he learned more about the realities of the regimes he praised and their orthodoxies but as far as I can tell he hasn't done that.

Why this is relevant is that because if he's the nominee, the Republican hit machine is going to slam him so hard on everything he's said and done 30 years ago. And they will be justified in doing so. Until Bernie explains and also explains how he's changed from the past. That's why the Democratic leadership are very concerned about Bernie wining the nomination. It doesn't matter what today's polling show - anyone is beating Trump. But when it's a real choice between two candidates, not a hypothetical match up between "any functional person versus Donald Trump," it's a very different story.

There is not a single candidate right now that the “Republican Hit Machine” won’t slam.

I don’t think Bernie is the best candidate but I think it’s entirely possible that he could beat Trump at his own game. He doesn’t have to apologize or explain his past. Has Trump done that? Apologies are for losers, that’s the lesson of 2016.

He has very unsound policy ideas. He's an old-school marxist. That's not going to work here. EVER.

And Trump’s policies and corruption work? I don’t think so.

As Michael once said on the office: “I don’t have to win, I just have to beat YOU.”

Bernie has strong similarities to Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, both are cut from very similar molds, the 1960s communist revolutionaries who never really grew up. Corbyn got destroyed in the British General Election, the worst showing for Labour since the 1930s. And the analysis of the former Labour voters who switched to voting for the Tories made clear that Corbyn himself was the big problem. The reasons given were what you'd expect: weird, promising lots of free things but who's going to pay for it, skeptical and even directly hostile to his decades' long support and refusal to condemn the failed communist regimes. A lot of similarities to Sanders. Just be warned.

Isn’t Corbin also a huge racist who said all kinds of horrible things not 30 years ago, but recently?

Also, Sanders seems more genuine and that matters. He is not just promising “free stuff.” I think he understands that it is hard for middle class people in America and that resonates. Someone like Buttigieg or Biden seem fairly milquetoast or out of touch in comparison.. Again, I don’t particularly think Sanders is the best, but I’m not terribly worried if he does get the nomination.

Corbin has a big history of racism and anti-Semitism. Bernie does not. Most importantly he’s a really likeable figure with the highest favorability rating among all the Democratic candidates by 10%. People inside the Beltway, who think they know politics, put way too much emphasis on ideology and policy over more personal factors. If ideology and policy mattered so much Trump wouldn’t have won the Republican nomination and have such a high approval rating among Republicans. Trump could pass Bernie’s proposals and still win Republican support because Republicans like his attitude and brashness and the fact he “sticks it to the libs.”

Bernie is a fighter who has a solid character and “sticks it to the man.” He’s electable for those reasons, his ideology and policies are not the important to the average low information voter.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol the Federalist.

By the way, who funds the Federalist? Does anybody here know?

BTW, all of it is sourced by other than the federalist. Much of it is on camera and in interviews. Still gonna deny what he is?

I’m not a Bernie supporter but I don’t buy your desire to create hysteria about him. I don’t hold people accountable for things they said 30 years ago.

People are held accountable for anything they said - until they are able to explain how they have changed since then.

Look, Bernie is 78. 30 years ago he was 48, a fully grown and functional man. Not a 20 year old college idiot enamored with socialist revolutions in failed communist regimes. One can forgive the latter, but not so easily the former. I do not say Bernie can't have changed his minds as he learned more about the realities of the regimes he praised and their orthodoxies but as far as I can tell he hasn't done that.

Why this is relevant is that because if he's the nominee, the Republican hit machine is going to slam him so hard on everything he's said and done 30 years ago. And they will be justified in doing so. Until Bernie explains and also explains how he's changed from the past. That's why the Democratic leadership are very concerned about Bernie wining the nomination. It doesn't matter what today's polling show - anyone is beating Trump. But when it's a real choice between two candidates, not a hypothetical match up between "any functional person versus Donald Trump," it's a very different story.

There is not a single candidate right now that the “Republican Hit Machine” won’t slam.

I don’t think Bernie is the best candidate but I think it’s entirely possible that he could beat Trump at his own game. He doesn’t have to apologize or explain his past. Has Trump done that? Apologies are for losers, that’s the lesson of 2016.

He has very unsound policy ideas. He's an old-school marxist. That's not going to work here. EVER.

And Trump’s policies and corruption work? I don’t think so.

As Michael once said on the office: “I don’t have to win, I just have to beat YOU.”

Bernie has strong similarities to Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, both are cut from very similar molds, the 1960s communist revolutionaries who never really grew up. Corbyn got destroyed in the British General Election, the worst showing for Labour since the 1930s. And the analysis of the former Labour voters who switched to voting for the Tories made clear that Corbyn himself was the big problem. The reasons given were what you'd expect: weird, promising lots of free things but who's going to pay for it, skeptical and even directly hostile to his decades' long support and refusal to condemn the failed communist regimes. A lot of similarities to Sanders. Just be warned.

Isn’t Corbin also a huge racist who said all kinds of horrible things not 30 years ago, but recently?

Also, Sanders seems more genuine and that matters. He is not just promising “free stuff.” I think he understands that it is hard for middle class people in America and that resonates. Someone like Buttigieg or Biden seem fairly milquetoast or out of touch in comparison.. Again, I don’t particularly think Sanders is the best, but I’m not terribly worried if he does get the nomination.

Corbin has a big history of racism and anti-Semitism. Bernie does not. Most importantly he’s a really likeable figure with the highest favorability rating among all the Democratic candidates by 10%. People inside the Beltway, who think they know politics, put way too much emphasis on ideology and policy over more personal factors. If ideology and policy mattered so much Trump wouldn’t have won the Republican nomination and have such a high approval rating among Republicans. Trump could pass Bernie’s proposals and still win Republican support because Republicans like his attitude and brashness and the fact he “sticks it to the libs.”

Bernie is a fighter who has a solid character and “sticks it to the man.” He’s electable for those reasons, his ideology and policies are not the important to the average low information voter.

Yes, exactly. Voters are (sorry) stupid, and likability or charisma is all that seems to matter. No one knows policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol the Federalist.

By the way, who funds the Federalist? Does anybody here know?

BTW, all of it is sourced by other than the federalist. Much of it is on camera and in interviews. Still gonna deny what he is?

I’m not a Bernie supporter but I don’t buy your desire to create hysteria about him. I don’t hold people accountable for things they said 30 years ago.

People are held accountable for anything they said - until they are able to explain how they have changed since then.

Look, Bernie is 78. 30 years ago he was 48, a fully grown and functional man. Not a 20 year old college idiot enamored with socialist revolutions in failed communist regimes. One can forgive the latter, but not so easily the former. I do not say Bernie can't have changed his minds as he learned more about the realities of the regimes he praised and their orthodoxies but as far as I can tell he hasn't done that.

Why this is relevant is that because if he's the nominee, the Republican hit machine is going to slam him so hard on everything he's said and done 30 years ago. And they will be justified in doing so. Until Bernie explains and also explains how he's changed from the past. That's why the Democratic leadership are very concerned about Bernie wining the nomination. It doesn't matter what today's polling show - anyone is beating Trump. But when it's a real choice between two candidates, not a hypothetical match up between "any functional person versus Donald Trump," it's a very different story.

There is not a single candidate right now that the “Republican Hit Machine” won’t slam.

I don’t think Bernie is the best candidate but I think it’s entirely possible that he could beat Trump at his own game. He doesn’t have to apologize or explain his past. Has Trump done that? Apologies are for losers, that’s the lesson of 2016.

He has very unsound policy ideas. He's an old-school marxist. That's not going to work here. EVER.

And Trump’s policies and corruption work? I don’t think so.

As Michael once said on the office: “I don’t have to win, I just have to beat YOU.”

Bernie has strong similarities to Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, both are cut from very similar molds, the 1960s communist revolutionaries who never really grew up. Corbyn got destroyed in the British General Election, the worst showing for Labour since the 1930s. And the analysis of the former Labour voters who switched to voting for the Tories made clear that Corbyn himself was the big problem. The reasons given were what you'd expect: weird, promising lots of free things but who's going to pay for it, skeptical and even directly hostile to his decades' long support and refusal to condemn the failed communist regimes. A lot of similarities to Sanders. Just be warned.

Isn’t Corbin also a huge racist who said all kinds of horrible things not 30 years ago, but recently?

Also, Sanders seems more genuine and that matters. He is not just promising “free stuff.” I think he understands that it is hard for middle class people in America and that resonates. Someone like Buttigieg or Biden seem fairly milquetoast or out of touch in comparison.. Again, I don’t particularly think Sanders is the best, but I’m not terribly worried if he does get the nomination.

Corbin has a big history of racism and anti-Semitism. Bernie does not. Most importantly he’s a really likeable figure with the highest favorability rating among all the Democratic candidates by 10%. People inside the Beltway, who think they know politics, put way too much emphasis on ideology and policy over more personal factors. If ideology and policy mattered so much Trump wouldn’t have won the Republican nomination and have such a high approval rating among Republicans. Trump could pass Bernie’s proposals and still win Republican support because Republicans like his attitude and brashness and the fact he “sticks it to the libs.”

Bernie is a fighter who has a solid character and “sticks it to the man.” He’s electable for those reasons, his ideology and policies are not the important to the average low information voter.

YEah. They said all that about Corbyn and look what happened.

You keep ignoring that Bernie is very popular - with his supporters, and far less so with anyone outside his supporters. His support is pretty much capped at about 25% of the electorate and doesn't budge beyond that. You see this in the primary pollings over and over again. That's his ceiling. Corbyn was hugely popular among his supporters, but far less so with anyone else. So talking about how popular he is is meaningless. Just as Corbyn's supporters couldn't see or understand (or refuse to see / understand) why Corbyn was deeply unpopular outside his core supporters, the same is true for the Bernie Bros. The parallels are striking.

Bernie is the most ideological of all the Democratic candidates, and that is the problem, not the solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol the Federalist.

By the way, who funds the Federalist? Does anybody here know?

BTW, all of it is sourced by other than the federalist. Much of it is on camera and in interviews. Still gonna deny what he is?

I’m not a Bernie supporter but I don’t buy your desire to create hysteria about him. I don’t hold people accountable for things they said 30 years ago.

People are held accountable for anything they said - until they are able to explain how they have changed since then.

Look, Bernie is 78. 30 years ago he was 48, a fully grown and functional man. Not a 20 year old college idiot enamored with socialist revolutions in failed communist regimes. One can forgive the latter, but not so easily the former. I do not say Bernie can't have changed his minds as he learned more about the realities of the regimes he praised and their orthodoxies but as far as I can tell he hasn't done that.

Why this is relevant is that because if he's the nominee, the Republican hit machine is going to slam him so hard on everything he's said and done 30 years ago. And they will be justified in doing so. Until Bernie explains and also explains how he's changed from the past. That's why the Democratic leadership are very concerned about Bernie wining the nomination. It doesn't matter what today's polling show - anyone is beating Trump. But when it's a real choice between two candidates, not a hypothetical match up between "any functional person versus Donald Trump," it's a very different story.

There is not a single candidate right now that the “Republican Hit Machine” won’t slam.

I don’t think Bernie is the best candidate but I think it’s entirely possible that he could beat Trump at his own game. He doesn’t have to apologize or explain his past. Has Trump done that? Apologies are for losers, that’s the lesson of 2016.

He has very unsound policy ideas. He's an old-school marxist. That's not going to work here. EVER.

And Trump’s policies and corruption work? I don’t think so.

As Michael once said on the office: “I don’t have to win, I just have to beat YOU.”

Bernie has strong similarities to Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, both are cut from very similar molds, the 1960s communist revolutionaries who never really grew up. Corbyn got destroyed in the British General Election, the worst showing for Labour since the 1930s. And the analysis of the former Labour voters who switched to voting for the Tories made clear that Corbyn himself was the big problem. The reasons given were what you'd expect: weird, promising lots of free things but who's going to pay for it, skeptical and even directly hostile to his decades' long support and refusal to condemn the failed communist regimes. A lot of similarities to Sanders. Just be warned.

Isn’t Corbin also a huge racist who said all kinds of horrible things not 30 years ago, but recently?

Also, Sanders seems more genuine and that matters. He is not just promising “free stuff.” I think he understands that it is hard for middle class people in America and that resonates. Someone like Buttigieg or Biden seem fairly milquetoast or out of touch in comparison.. Again, I don’t particularly think Sanders is the best, but I’m not terribly worried if he does get the nomination.

Corbin has a big history of racism and anti-Semitism. Bernie does not. Most importantly he’s a really likeable figure with the highest favorability rating among all the Democratic candidates by 10%. People inside the Beltway, who think they know politics, put way too much emphasis on ideology and policy over more personal factors. If ideology and policy mattered so much Trump wouldn’t have won the Republican nomination and have such a high approval rating among Republicans. Trump could pass Bernie’s proposals and still win Republican support because Republicans like his attitude and brashness and the fact he “sticks it to the libs.”

Bernie is a fighter who has a solid character and “sticks it to the man.” He’s electable for those reasons, his ideology and policies are not the important to the average low information voter.

YEah. They said all that about Corbyn and look what happened.

You keep ignoring that Bernie is very popular - with his supporters, and far less so with anyone outside his supporters. His support is pretty much capped at about 25% of the electorate and doesn't budge beyond that. You see this in the primary pollings over and over again. That's his ceiling. Corbyn was hugely popular among his supporters, but far less so with anyone else. So talking about how popular he is is meaningless. Just as Corbyn's supporters couldn't see or understand (or refuse to see / understand) why Corbyn was deeply unpopular outside his core supporters, the same is true for the Bernie Bros. The parallels are striking.

Bernie is the most ideological of all the Democratic candidates, and that is the problem, not the solution.

Bernie has the highest favorability of any candidate in the Dem Party. He’s polling at 48% with Latinos against the field and 30% with black voters against the other candidates. Acting like he has this 25% base or is only liked by college kids is just willfully ignoring facts.

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My 70 year old immigrant parents who are rich and lived in a country that implemented failed socialist policies LIKE Bernie.

To me that says a lot about how people vote. They just like him, they feel he cares about the middle class, they are extremely educated but don’t really think hard about the nuances of public policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of Trump's policies are working well. Not all, but many.

Like what? And you know what, I don’t like living in a corrupt oligarchy with “some policies working well.” I’d give Bernie a chance.

Like bearing down on China heavily with with economic policies and the trade war.

That didn’t work. We ended up paying 19 billion in subsidies to farmers who have lost their market share.

Next?

No, that actually IS working. We're letting the Chinese know they need to get out of our networks and stop stealing intellectual property from us. It's a slow learning curve, but the message is being received. Trust me.

The Chinese have stolen a tremendous amount of U.S. intellectual property. How else do you think a developing country as of 20 years ago has become a World's super power?

The trade war hasn't ALL been about tariffs, although the mainstream media would like you to think that and you have bought their story hook, line and sinker.

I suggest you be more careful going forward.

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OP reminds me of one of those SNL commercial parodies about a drug. “It’s cranky and repetitive and gives me intense anal itching, and I like that.”

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Anonymous wrote:OP reminds me of one of those SNL commercial parodies about a drug. “It’s cranky and repetitive and gives me intense anal itching, and I like that.”

Except the old man is actually trying to prevent people from dying from preventable diseases

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Anonymous wrote:Many of Trump's policies are working well. Not all, but many.

Like what? And you know what, I don’t like living in a corrupt oligarchy with “some policies working well.” I’d give Bernie a chance.

Like bearing down on China heavily with with economic policies and the trade war.

That didn’t work. We ended up paying 19 billion in subsidies to farmers who have lost their market share.

Next?

No, that actually IS working. We're letting the Chinese know they need to get out of our networks and stop stealing intellectual property from us. It's a slow learning curve, but the message is being received. Trust me.

The Chinese have stolen a tremendous amount of U.S. intellectual property. How else do you think a developing country as of 20 years ago has become a World's super power?

The trade war hasn't ALL been about tariffs, although the mainstream media would like you to think that and you have bought their story hook, line and sinker.

I suggest you be more careful going forward.

And where is some evidence that the intellectual property theft has halted or slowed down?

Did it occur to you that a nation with one billion people should have been a major economic power long ago, and that opening a country like that to trade is a huge boost?

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Anonymous wrote:OP reminds me of one of those SNL commercial parodies about a drug. “It’s cranky and repetitive and gives me intense anal itching, and I like that.”

Except the old man is actually trying to prevent people from dying from preventable diseases

Not really. He and his associates just admitted that their plan doesn’t work and will never pass, making Liza Warren correct and not the devil like the Bros all claimed.