Now that decisions are out.....where are the non-perfect kids getting accepted

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you fighting about whether someone you don't know, said something that wasn't true. You realize you will never find out the answer. Get a better life.

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It freaks them out that this happens, so it *has* to be a lie.

Wait til your kid goes through the college admissions process. There will be surprises.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was rejected from Tampa and admitted to Purdue. It happens. Tampa was a super safety and Purdue was a reach.

My kid, who went through the process last year, was rejected from one of her safety schools (FSU), one of her 'should be a lock' schools (JMU), but got into both reach schools (one of which is an ivy). Crazy things like this do happen. One girl in her class, who graduated #3 in the class, was rejected from UVA and W&M. From what my DD told me, her scores were very high as well. She was accepted to UChicago and is loving it but really wanted UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:I think one reason the admissions patterns are so strange is families’ sudden refusal to max out on student loans.

That’s probably done strange, bad things to admissions at a lot of private schools and increased competition for slots at places like William and Mary.

Thanks Betsy D. for making this a huge mess.

what on earth does Betsy DeVos have to do with any of this?

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Anonymous wrote:I think one reason the admissions patterns are so strange is families’ sudden refusal to max out on student loans.

That’s probably done strange, bad things to admissions at a lot of private schools and increased competition for slots at places like William and Mary.

Thanks Betsy D. for making this a huge mess.

what on earth does Betsy DeVos have to do with any of this?

Student loan mess. More on the horizon.

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Anonymous wrote:I think one reason the admissions patterns are so strange is families’ sudden refusal to max out on student loans.

That’s probably done strange, bad things to admissions at a lot of private schools and increased competition for slots at places like William and Mary.

Parents reticence about student loans is because wages have been flat for 25 years. The economy is fundamentally broken. Taking on significant debt is nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think one reason the admissions patterns are so strange is families’ sudden refusal to max out on student loans.

That’s probably done strange, bad things to admissions at a lot of private schools and increased competition for slots at places like William and Mary.

Thanks Betsy D. for making this a huge mess.

what on earth does Betsy DeVos have to do with any of this?

Student loan mess. More on the horizon.

She has nothing to do with the fact that privates have priced themselves out of existence and that students CHOOSE to take out too many private loans. In fact, FAFSA, which her department runs, usually tells families like ours that we're entitled to no financial aid except the minimum $5500 loan. This problem has nothing to do with DeVos.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine has a 4.0 uw, all honors and AP classes, student government plus other EC clubs, and was terrible at SAT but slightly better at ACT (1190 vs 33).

She’s in at JMU, Penn State, Amherst, Williams, and Boston College.

Was a no at UVA and W&M.

That seems crazy - in at Williams but not W&M?

SLACs love that 4.0 GPA.

Still bit making sense. My DD had 4.0 uw plus 1550 and was wl and rejected at all top 10 SLACs save one.

Should read still not making sense

I'm not sure how someone got into Amherst and Williams, and rejected at UVA and W&M. Really surprised your dc got into those two schools with that SAT, but hey, congrats!

Because it didn't happen.

Of course it can happen. College admissions total at the top levels is a lottery. Many on this board don't realize how difficult it has become to get into the Virginia public schools. UVA is ranked by USN&WR at 25 under National Universities and Amherst is at No. 70. UVA is also rated by USN&WR at 3 behind UCLA and Berkeley under public universities. The College of William & Mary is at 10 and Amherst is at 26. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public.

That Amherst might want a presumably OOS student from this area with that record is no surprise. But as an in-state applicant, William & Mary expects a 4.43 weighted GPA for top 25% of entering students (statistics which are less than those of accepted because many Virginia students use W&M and UVA as safeties when applying to Ivies) and a SAT of 1490, so PP's DC's SAT score of 1190 would indicate not a fit. Same with UVA which now sees an entering class with an average GPA of 4.48 for top 25% and a 1480 SAT and a 34 ACT.

Williams is private and $67,000 a year . . . in other words, an institution that many in-state Virginians can't afford so we don't even apply. But would Williams want someone with that record from a particular state in our area with that record who can pay full freight? Sure. And Williams probably took the time to see that the SAT score was a bad day and that the ACT score was terrific.

UVA received over 40,000 applications last year. It doesn't have time to parse through every one if the student doesn't have the stats. https://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/uva/uva-admission-offers-reflect-growing-diversity/article_fa707306-4f63-11e9-8db6-4bdd83c3baef.html. Williams receives only 10,000 and has a much larger admissions office so can take more time reading the applications. It truly is a lottery and the sooner your student understands that the less pain they will feel when those rejections come in.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine has a 4.0 uw, all honors and AP classes, student government plus other EC clubs, and was terrible at SAT but slightly better at ACT (1190 vs 33).

She’s in at JMU, Penn State, Amherst, Williams, and Boston College.

Was a no at UVA and W&M.

That seems crazy - in at Williams but not W&M?

SLACs love that 4.0 GPA.

Still bit making sense. My DD had 4.0 uw plus 1550 and was wl and rejected at all top 10 SLACs save one.

Should read still not making sense

I'm not sure how someone got into Amherst and Williams, and rejected at UVA and W&M. Really surprised your dc got into those two schools with that SAT, but hey, congrats!

Because it didn't happen.

Of course it can happen. College admissions total at the top levels is a lottery. Many on this board don't realize how difficult it has become to get into the Virginia public schools. UVA is ranked by USN&WR at 25 under National Universities and Amherst is at No. 70. UVA is also rated by USN&WR at 3 behind UCLA and Berkeley under public universities. The College of William & Mary is at 10 and Amherst is at 26. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public.

That Amherst might want a presumably OOS student from this area with that record is no surprise. But as an in-state applicant, William & Mary expects a 4.43 weighted GPA for top 25% of entering students (statistics which are less than those of accepted because many Virginia students use W&M and UVA as safeties when applying to Ivies) and a SAT of 1490, so PP's DC's SAT score of 1190 would indicate not a fit. Same with UVA which now sees an entering class with an average GPA of 4.48 for top 25% and a 1480 SAT and a 34 ACT.

Williams is private and $67,000 a year . . . in other words, an institution that many in-state Virginians can't afford so we don't even apply. But would Williams want someone with that record from a particular state in our area with that record who can pay full freight? Sure. And Williams probably took the time to see that the SAT score was a bad day and that the ACT score was terrific.

UVA received over 40,000 applications last year. It doesn't have time to parse through every one if the student doesn't have the stats. https://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/uva/uva-admission-offers-reflect-growing-diversity/article_fa707306-4f63-11e9-8db6-4bdd83c3baef.html. Williams receives only 10,000 and has a much larger admissions office so can take more time reading the applications. It truly is a lottery and the sooner your student understands that the less pain they will feel when those rejections come in.

PP- I am at a loss. Amherst is a private highly ranked liberal arts college. It is hard to get into, not ranked in US news National Universities nor in US News Public Colleges. You have looked up the ranking for U Mass Amherst, a state school. None of the VA state schools are as highly ranked as Williams or Amherst. Maybe this level of ignorance explains the constant ridiculous bragging about VA's very good state schools? VA's high schools inflate grades so who knows what the noninflated GPA of NoVa kids is anyway?

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UVA is a "Public Ivy"

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No way a kid gets into Amherst or Williams and rejected from UVa or WM. Either that poster is a troll or has confused Amherst with UMass Amherst and confused Williams with Hobart & William Smith College.

Amherst’s and Williams’ acceptance rates are 14-15%. UVa’s is 27% and WM is 34%.

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Anonymous wrote:No way a kid gets into Amherst or Williams and rejected from UVa or WM. Either that poster is a troll or has confused Amherst with UMass Amherst and confused Williams with Hobart & William Smith College.

Amherst’s and Williams’ acceptance rates are 14-15%. UVa’s is 27% and WM is 34%.

You can't compare public university acceptance rates to privates. They serve entirely different populations and have different missions.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine has a 4.0 uw, all honors and AP classes, student government plus other EC clubs, and was terrible at SAT but slightly better at ACT (1190 vs 33).

She’s in at JMU, Penn State, Amherst, Williams, and Boston College.

Was a no at UVA and W&M.

That seems crazy - in at Williams but not W&M?

SLACs love that 4.0 GPA.

Still bit making sense. My DD had 4.0 uw plus 1550 and was wl and rejected at all top 10 SLACs save one.

Should read still not making sense

I'm not sure how someone got into Amherst and Williams, and rejected at UVA and W&M. Really surprised your dc got into those two schools with that SAT, but hey, congrats!

Because it didn't happen.

Of course it can happen. College admissions total at the top levels is a lottery. Many on this board don't realize how difficult it has become to get into the Virginia public schools. UVA is ranked by USN&WR at 25 under National Universities and Amherst is at No. 70. UVA is also rated by USN&WR at 3 behind UCLA and Berkeley under public universities. The College of William & Mary is at 10 and Amherst is at 26. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public.

That Amherst might want a presumably OOS student from this area with that record is no surprise. But as an in-state applicant, William & Mary expects a 4.43 weighted GPA for top 25% of entering students (statistics which are less than those of accepted because many Virginia students use W&M and UVA as safeties when applying to Ivies) and a SAT of 1490, so PP's DC's SAT score of 1190 would indicate not a fit. Same with UVA which now sees an entering class with an average GPA of 4.48 for top 25% and a 1480 SAT and a 34 ACT.

Williams is private and $67,000 a year . . . in other words, an institution that many in-state Virginians can't afford so we don't even apply. But would Williams want someone with that record from a particular state in our area with that record who can pay full freight? Sure. And Williams probably took the time to see that the SAT score was a bad day and that the ACT score was terrific.

UVA received over 40,000 applications last year. It doesn't have time to parse through every one if the student doesn't have the stats. https://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/uva/uva-admission-offers-reflect-growing-diversity/article_fa707306-4f63-11e9-8db6-4bdd83c3baef.html. Williams receives only 10,000 and has a much larger admissions office so can take more time reading the applications. It truly is a lottery and the sooner your student understands that the less pain they will feel when those rejections come in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

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Anonymous wrote:Mine has a 4.0 uw, all honors and AP classes, student government plus other EC clubs, and was terrible at SAT but slightly better at ACT (1190 vs 33).

She’s in at JMU, Penn State, Amherst, Williams, and Boston College.

Was a no at UVA and W&M.

That seems crazy - in at Williams but not W&M?

SLACs love that 4.0 GPA.

Still bit making sense. My DD had 4.0 uw plus 1550 and was wl and rejected at all top 10 SLACs save one.

Should read still not making sense

I'm not sure how someone got into Amherst and Williams, and rejected at UVA and W&M. Really surprised your dc got into those two schools with that SAT, but hey, congrats!

Because it didn't happen.

Of course it can happen. College admissions total at the top levels is a lottery. Many on this board don't realize how difficult it has become to get into the Virginia public schools. UVA is ranked by USN&WR at 25 under National Universities and Amherst is at No. 70. UVA is also rated by USN&WR at 3 behind UCLA and Berkeley under public universities. The College of William & Mary is at 10 and Amherst is at 26. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public.

That Amherst might want a presumably OOS student from this area with that record is no surprise. But as an in-state applicant, William & Mary expects a 4.43 weighted GPA for top 25% of entering students (statistics which are less than those of accepted because many Virginia students use W&M and UVA as safeties when applying to Ivies) and a SAT of 1490, so PP's DC's SAT score of 1190 would indicate not a fit. Same with UVA which now sees an entering class with an average GPA of 4.48 for top 25% and a 1480 SAT and a 34 ACT.

Williams is private and $67,000 a year . . . in other words, an institution that many in-state Virginians can't afford so we don't even apply. But would Williams want someone with that record from a particular state in our area with that record who can pay full freight? Sure. And Williams probably took the time to see that the SAT score was a bad day and that the ACT score was terrific.

UVA received over 40,000 applications last year. It doesn't have time to parse through every one if the student doesn't have the stats. https://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/uva/uva-admission-offers-reflect-growing-diversity/article_fa707306-4f63-11e9-8db6-4bdd83c3baef.html. Williams receives only 10,000 and has a much larger admissions office so can take more time reading the applications. It truly is a lottery and the sooner your student understands that the less pain they will feel when those rejections come in.

PP- I am at a loss. Amherst is a private highly ranked liberal arts college. It is hard to get into, not ranked in US news National Universities nor in US News Public Colleges. You have looked up the ranking for U Mass Amherst, a state school. None of the VA state schools are as highly ranked as Williams or Amherst. Maybe this level of ignorance explains the constant ridiculous bragging about VA's very good state schools? VA's high schools inflate grades so who knows what the noninflated GPA of NoVa kids is anyway?

You never said which Amherst. And it's $70K a year, if the private one. Most in-state Virginians can no longer afford that. Other stats still hold true. And it's other school districts that have grade inflation, not the whole of Virginia. Mont. Co. in particular. Applying to the top schools is like going to Vegas - you can never tell what might catch the admission's officers eye and what won't.

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Anonymous wrote:No way a kid gets into Amherst or Williams and rejected from UVa or WM. Either that poster is a troll or has confused Amherst with UMass Amherst and confused Williams with Hobart & William Smith College.

Amherst’s and Williams’ acceptance rates are 14-15%. UVa’s is 27% and WM is 34%.

You can't compare public university acceptance rates to privates. They serve entirely different populations and have different missions.

In your mind. UVA is traditionally a top destination of all private, catholic and public schools in the DMV and probably the Mid Atlantic. Its a very common destination for all and kids applying to LAC and privates are applying to UVA too. Can you compare UCLA or Berkeley admit rates? Y

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Anonymous wrote:No way a kid gets into Amherst or Williams and rejected from UVa or WM. Either that poster is a troll or has confused Amherst with UMass Amherst and confused Williams with Hobart & William Smith College.

Amherst’s and Williams’ acceptance rates are 14-15%. UVa’s is 27% and WM is 34%.

You can't compare public university acceptance rates to privates. They serve entirely different populations and have different missions.

Yes I can!!! All 4 of these schools are looking for the best of the best. They are very difficult to get into, in state or out of state. Amherst and Williams are more difficult to get into. The average SAT & ACT scores are higher than UVa and WM. Therefore it makes no sense that a student would get into both Amherst and Williams, but not UVa or WM.