Tell me your OOS public colleges you truly liked

[Anonymous]

Sorry for my slowness to understand but "pre-engineering" is just a weed-out factory? where do these students end up who get weeded out>

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much mis-information. Here are the in-state and out of state costs for 2081-2019 tuition, fees, room and board for engineering (does not include transportation, books and personal):

UVA: 35,354 and 61,920
VT: 24,554 and 42,842
UMD: 25,983 and 49,020
Pitt: 32,258 and 47,168
Purdue: 22,072 and 40,874
GA Tech: 24,308 and 44,904

Your UVA numbers are wrong:

First year engineering UVA: $39,772
Second year engineering UVA: $38,772
Third and Fourth year engineering: $37,742

https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

My numbers are not wrong because you cant't read. I told you I excluded certain fees (personal, book, travel) but you included them. Let us try this gain.

Tuition 20,434
Fees 2,970
Housing 6,720
Dining 5,230
Subtotal 35,354 (my total)
Books 1,384
Personal 2,552
Loan Fees 72
Travel 410
Total 39,772 (your total)

Are we clear now?

No, we're not.

Why would you exclude these costs? BTW, these are conservative estimates by the school. Even when you move off-campus, those costs are rising along with COL in Charlottesville. Books are expensive - its the one thing that still hasn't been disrupted after all these years.

Because when comparing between schools, these costs are variable. Not everyone has loan fees, travel expenses are different for each person, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to justify an OOS public if you live in Virginia...unless you get substantial financial aid.

Hard to justify an OOS public over any instate flagship U

You don't get out and see the world much, do you?

My kids go to college to study. They can "see the world" after their education. I don't even know WTF that means for students.

It means going to school with students from all over the country and world; living in a location different from the one you grew up in in terms of geography, infrastructure, politics, and people; learning about and understanding points of view that are different from yours.

out of 4000 Unis in this country, tell me 10 schools that don't meet that criteria

Do you mean "those criteria" or "that criterion"? But point taken for the bolded. From a purely academic standpoint, this is probably accurate. The faculty at flagships are generally top-notch and probably more similar than different in expertise and credentials.

We live in Silver Spring. UMD-CP doesn't fulfill those criteria. It's right down the street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry for my slowness to understand but "pre-engineering" is just a weed-out factory? where do these students end up who get weeded out>

Hi. Me again, who wrote that.

Engineering school admissions is very complicated and differs greatly across schools so you do have to ask your questions. Weeding out rates also differs.

As I understand it, CU had an unusually high attrition rate from engineering that they were hoping to remedy. We were initially enthusiastic about this because from the material I read in a CU magazine, it looked like they would be improving advising resources etc. Instead what they were doing was giving only the tippy top students a direct admit and giving the rest the opportunity to enter a structured "pre-eng" program that has almost all of the same classes etc but from what I gather, most kinds in it don't make the cut. I don't know if that is because they are admitting those who are not qualified or if they are setting the bar to control numbers. Now, I'm not going to say my kid could have gone to MIT, but he was more than solid for a place like CU.

My kid also thought the gap between the quality of the eng students and the L&S students was too big and he was worried about not liking it there if eng didn't work out.

The kids who get weeded out wind up in Liberal Arts. They can still major in physics or get a BA in comp sci, but they won't be in the engineering school. Given his other options, this one seemed like a poor bet.

If your kid is interested in engineering and Colorado's outdoor opportunities, I strongly advise looking at Mines. It has fewer rich easterners, for sure. We were seriously impressed when we toured it.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to justify an OOS public if you live in Virginia...unless you get substantial financial aid.

Hard to justify an OOS public over any instate flagship U

You don't get out and see the world much, do you?

My kids go to college to study. They can "see the world" after their education. I don't even know WTF that means for students.

It means going to school with students from all over the country and world; living in a location different from the one you grew up in in terms of geography, infrastructure, politics, and people; learning about and understanding points of view that are different from yours.

out of 4000 Unis in this country, tell me 10 schools that don't meet that criteria

Do you mean "those criteria" or "that criterion"? But point taken for the bolded. From a purely academic standpoint, this is probably accurate. The faculty at flagships are generally top-notch and probably more similar than different in expertise and credentials.

Did you mean "faculties . . . are" or "faculty . . . is"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much mis-information. Here are the in-state and out of state costs for 2081-2019 tuition, fees, room and board for engineering (does not include transportation, books and personal):

UVA: 35,354 and 61,920
VT: 24,554 and 42,842
UMD: 25,983 and 49,020
Pitt: 32,258 and 47,168
Purdue: 22,072 and 40,874
GA Tech: 24,308 and 44,904

Your UVA numbers are wrong:

First year engineering UVA: $39,772
Second year engineering UVA: $38,772
Third and Fourth year engineering: $37,742

https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

My numbers are not wrong because you cant't read. I told you I excluded certain fees (personal, book, travel) but you included them. Let us try this gain.

Tuition 20,434
Fees 2,970
Housing 6,720
Dining 5,230
Subtotal 35,354 (my total)
Books 1,384
Personal 2,552
Loan Fees 72
Travel 410
Total 39,772 (your total)

Are we clear now?

No, we're not.

Why would you exclude these costs? BTW, these are conservative estimates by the school. Even when you move off-campus, those costs are rising along with COL in Charlottesville. Books are expensive - its the one thing that still hasn't been disrupted after all these years.

NP: I get that. I have 2 in college right now. We use these numbers as the baseline for expenses. Don’t fool yourself into thinking it will be significantly less than the estimate.

Some things that happened to us - majors changed (more expensive fees), study abroad ($), and don’t get me started on fraternity/sorority costs.

Because when comparing between schools, these costs are variable. Not everyone has loan fees, travel expenses are different for each person, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to justify an OOS public if you live in Virginia...unless you get substantial financial aid.

Hard to justify an OOS public over any instate flagship U

You don't get out and see the world much, do you?

My kids go to college to study. They can "see the world" after their education. I don't even know WTF that means for students.

It means going to school with students from all over the country and world; living in a location different from the one you grew up in in terms of geography, infrastructure, politics, and people; learning about and understanding points of view that are different from yours.

out of 4000 Unis in this country, tell me 10 schools that don't meet that criteria

Do you mean "those criteria" or "that criterion"? But point taken for the bolded. From a purely academic standpoint, this is probably accurate. The faculty at flagships are generally top-notch and probably more similar than different in expertise and credentials.

Did you mean "faculties . . . are" or "faculty . . . is"?

Well, considering faculty is a collective noun and can be used in either singular or plural form, I would guess faculty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So much mis-information. Here are the in-state and out of state costs for 2081-2019 tuition, fees, room and board for engineering (does not include transportation, books and personal):

UVA: 35,354 and 61,920
VT: 24,554 and 42,842
UMD: 25,983 and 49,020
Pitt: 32,258 and 47,168
Purdue: 22,072 and 40,874
GA Tech: 24,308 and 44,904

Your UVA numbers are wrong:

First year engineering UVA: $39,772
Second year engineering UVA: $38,772
Third and Fourth year engineering: $37,742

https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

My numbers are not wrong because you cant't read. I told you I excluded certain fees (personal, book, travel) but you included them. Let us try this gain.

Tuition 20,434
Fees 2,970
Housing 6,720
Dining 5,230
Subtotal 35,354 (my total)
Books 1,384
Personal 2,552
Loan Fees 72
Travel 410
Total 39,772 (your total)

Are we clear now?

No, we're not.

Why would you exclude these costs? BTW, these are conservative estimates by the school. Even when you move off-campus, those costs are rising along with COL in Charlottesville. Books are expensive - its the one thing that still hasn't been disrupted after all these years.

Because when comparing between schools, these costs are variable. Not everyone has loan fees, travel expenses are different for each person, etc.

Oops, trying again.

NP: I get that. I have 2 in college right now. We use these numbers as the baseline for expenses. Don’t fool yourself into thinking it will be significantly less than the estimate.

Some things that happened to us - majors changed (more expensive fees), study abroad ($), and don’t get me started on fraternity/sorority costs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to justify an OOS public if you live in Virginia...unless you get substantial financial aid.

Hard to justify an OOS public over any instate flagship U

You don't get out and see the world much, do you?

My kids go to college to study. They can "see the world" after their education. I don't even know WTF that means for students.

It means going to school with students from all over the country and world; living in a location different from the one you grew up in in terms of geography, infrastructure, politics, and people; learning about and understanding points of view that are different from yours.

out of 4000 Unis in this country, tell me 10 schools that don't meet that criteria

Do you mean "those criteria" or "that criterion"? But point taken for the bolded. From a purely academic standpoint, this is probably accurate. The faculty at flagships are generally top-notch and probably more similar than different in expertise and credentials.

How petty. Maybe PP is a foreign born. Why don't you go build that wall to keep those folks away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much mis-information. Here are the in-state and out of state costs for 2081-2019 tuition, fees, room and board for engineering (does not include transportation, books and personal):

UVA: 35,354 and 61,920
VT: 24,554 and 42,842
UMD: 25,983 and 49,020
Pitt: 32,258 and 47,168
Purdue: 22,072 and 40,874
GA Tech: 24,308 and 44,904

How did you choose room cost? My DC is at Purdue and the cost of the dorms changes dramatically based on which dorm.

https://www.admissions.purdue.edu/costsandfinaid/tuitionfees.php

. So they chose a random room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I too would like to hear more about U of Oregon.

Has someone visited Colorado- Boulder or Colorado State? I am familiar with the previous threads on pot, rich kids and skiing. If someone can contribute beyond those topics, TIA

University of Oregon is good for sports and the humanities. Eugene is a bastion of the self-satisfied militant left. Neither the campus nor the town is particularly attractive.

Now, Corvallis is a great college town and OSU is an attractive campus. It's a strong STEM / engineering/ ag school (but not so hot on the humanities side).

[Anonymous]

Oregon is full of white supremacy idiots.

[Anonymous]

Mine kids had worked too hard in high school to be limited to the underwhelming choices they would have had in our home state. Out of state, with merit aid, was less than in-state for one. Just a little more for the other.

Mostly it gave them choices. We could afford to give them choices. We felt they had earned it.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine kids had worked too hard in high school to be limited to the underwhelming choices they would have had in our home state. Out of state, with merit aid, was less than in-state for one. Just a little more for the other.

Mostly it gave them choices. We could afford to give them choices. We felt they had earned it.

This is the only answer, rather than the dismissive statement about "in-state being good enough".

* Kids deserved choices

* Even in states with highly ranked public flagships, the choice available to any specific kid, due to where they can get in or what our schools are strong in, aren't always the best answer.

* And don't dismiss what merit aid might happen.

[Anonymous]

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