Care to share your child's CES raw scores?

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Anonymous wrote:Some (white) folks on DCUM are really truly awful.

If a Black or brown kid doesn't do well, it is because their parents "don't value education."


But if a first generation immigrant kid of color does well, it is because her dad volunteers at the school too much.

My G-d.

You have to value education just the right amount and just the right way.

It's the "American way is the only way" mentality.

That father *clearly* values education and wants what he thinks is best for his kid. He is willing to put that effort into it. Doesn't matter if he's an immigrant or not. If most American parents could put half the amount of effort into their kids' education as this father does, I bet kids would be doing a lot better in school.

I am not saying every parent should be like that father, but we need more parents who care about their kids' education, not less, and mocking such a parent is not helpful.

Okay, but do you really think that degree of micromanaging a kid's *elementary school* career is healthy? My kid got into the CES without any of that. She was a naturally brilliant kid, whom everyone recognized as an outlier, and who from second grade sought out her own supplementary materials. All I did was take her to the library and let her pick what she wanted. She did the rest on her own, as it should be.

So did my kid. No prep at all in terms of the test. Like I said, I don't think we should all be like that parent, but if most parents could put in even half the effort that father does, the state of our education be a whole lot better.

I would rather have that father in my DC's class than a parent who doesn't care, never volunteers even when they could. We have plenty of those. We need more of the other kind.

Of course, but there is a healthy middle ground. I was a college prep counselor the summer after I graduated from college, and I'll never forgot my Asian student who at age 17 repeatedly said she'd either have to kill herself or run away from home if she didn't get into Harvard. Her parents micromanaged her academic career from the time she was a small child, too. I understand the desire to supplement 2.0 to a point, but there is a ruthless undercurrent to these "get the child into CES at all costs" parents. I was happily ignorant of this when DC was invited to a CES, but I became very aware of it during the MS magnet process and did find it sad and unhealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some (white) folks on DCUM are really truly awful.

If a Black or brown kid doesn't do well, it is because their parents "don't value education."


But if a first generation immigrant kid of color does well, it is because her dad volunteers at the school too much.

My G-d.

+1 OMG. This is so right on target. I've been really disgusted by the comments. Black/brown/Asian parents and kids just can't get a break no matter what they do.

What makes you think white parents are starting the achievement gap threads. Genuine question. When I see those, I assume it's Asian parents. Actually I've come to assume this entire forum tips Asian.

Why would you assume that? Do you know many Asian American parents?

Asian parents aren't that concerned about the achievement gap. They believe all children have potential and should try harder. It's not the Asian American parents pushing MCPS to close the achievement gap. That's not to say they don't care about other kids, but just that they believe most of it starts at home.


--signed an Asian American parent

Because some responses self identify as Asian, and because the OP's opening statement is basically, why doesn't MCPS offer Asian style tutoring to failing students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some (white) folks on DCUM are really truly awful.

If a Black or brown kid doesn't do well, it is because their parents "don't value education."


But if a first generation immigrant kid of color does well, it is because her dad volunteers at the school too much.

My G-d.

You have to value education just the right amount and just the right way.

It's the "American way is the only way" mentality.

That father *clearly* values education and wants what he thinks is best for his kid. He is willing to put that effort into it. Doesn't matter if he's an immigrant or not. If most American parents could put half the amount of effort into their kids' education as this father does, I bet kids would be doing a lot better in school.

I am not saying every parent should be like that father, but we need more parents who care about their kids' education, not less, and mocking such a parent is not helpful.

Okay, but do you really think that degree of micromanaging a kid's *elementary school* career is healthy? My kid got into the CES without any of that. She was a naturally brilliant kid, whom everyone recognized as an outlier, and who from second grade sought out her own supplementary materials. All I did was take her to the library and let her pick what she wanted. She did the rest on her own, as it should be.

So did my kid. No prep at all in terms of the test. Like I said, I don't think we should all be like that parent, but if most parents could put in even half the effort that father does, the state of our education be a whole lot better.

I would rather have that father in my DC's class than a parent who doesn't care, never volunteers even when they could. We have plenty of those. We need more of the other kind.

Of course, but there is a healthy middle ground. I was a college prep counselor the summer after I graduated from college, and I'll never forgot my Asian student who at age 17 repeatedly said she'd either have to kill herself or run away from home if she didn't get into Harvard. Her parents micromanaged her academic career from the time she was a small child, too. I understand the desire to supplement 2.0 to a point, but there is a ruthless undercurrent to these "get the child into CES at all costs" parents. I was happily ignorant of this when DC was invited to a CES, but I became very aware of it during the MS magnet process and did find it sad and unhealthy.

Well, there are overzealous parents in every culture. I know a third grader who is starting to have a mental breakdown over the pressures his parents are putting on him to excel in sports. He is very athletic and talented but his father is coaching his every move. That doesn’t mean that I think all parents who have their kids on special sports teams are contributing to an unhealthy culture. I know another parent who coaches their child heavily and he absolutely loves it and is doing junior olympics and thrills to it all, so I don’t pat myself that I am relaxed about sports and therefore the best kind of parent. Your one overstressed Asian student long ago really doesn’t give you the right to judge this volunteering father and his bright little girl.

[Anonymous]

This thread is off the wall. It's an excuse for parents to brag about how their no prep kid got in to CES

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the wall. It's an excuse for parents to brag about how their no prep kid got in to CES

So many threads on MD Public Schools forum are off the rails these days..... crazy town.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the wall. It's an excuse for parents to brag about how their no prep kid got in to CES

Funny how the "no prep" kids are taken to museums, farms, concerts, fairs, read to, etc., but they don't consider that "prepping". It's all parental involvement, and enriches children. Just not the type they care to sanction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the wall. It's an excuse for parents to brag about how their no prep kid got in to CES

Funny how the "no prep" kids are taken to museums, farms, concerts, fairs, read to, etc., but they don't consider that "prepping". It's all parental involvement, and enriches children. Just not the type they care to sanction.

Parental involvement and prepping are not synonyms. There is parental involvement that is not prepping. There is prepping that is not parental involvement, except insofar as the parents write the checks and get the kids there.

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Also, there is no magic formula, really. I know kids who did all this and ended up not getting into the magnet. In fact, majority of the kids who go to these classes do not get in. So there is no way one can point to a kid and say he or she qualified for a magnet program only because of mathnasium/A plus/etc. It is not my cup of tea, but I will not blame the parents who send their kids to those classes as the reason for my DC not getting into a magnet program. (Well, I do pity them since I think it is a waste of money - but hey, to each his own..)

I used to think these prep classes were terrible for kids, but I'm not so sure anymore, especially given the debacle of 2.0. I don't think these prep classes do that much for kids getting into CES, however, I think there is value in it just overall. An hour a week spent on extra math/reading/writing is not going to harm the kid. If anything, it will help. More kids should do this. It's also a way to make friends outside of school.

I used to be a naysayer. Not anymore. Even doing a math workbook at home is helpful. The good thing about those classes is that they get to be with other kids.

+1

Some of my friends sent their kids to these classes precisely for this reason - kids are bored in school, but the parents themselves can not do any enrichment at home. (They knew that even among those kids that go to these classes, only some would get into the magnets.)

[Anonymous]

How do you get raw scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some (white) folks on DCUM are really truly awful.

If a Black or brown kid doesn't do well, it is because their parents "don't value education."


But if a first generation immigrant kid of color does well, it is because her dad volunteers at the school too much.

My G-d.

+1 OMG. This is so right on target. I've been really disgusted by the comments. Black/brown/Asian parents and kids just can't get a break no matter what they do.

What makes you think white parents are starting the achievement gap threads. Genuine question. When I see those, I assume it's Asian parents. Actually I've come to assume this entire forum tips Asian.

Why would you assume that? Do you know many Asian American parents?

Asian parents aren't that concerned about the achievement gap. They believe all children have potential and should try harder. It's not the Asian American parents pushing MCPS to close the achievement gap. That's not to say they don't care about other kids, but just that they believe most of it starts at home.


--signed an Asian American parent

Because some responses self identify as Asian, and because the OP's opening statement is basically, why doesn't MCPS offer Asian style tutoring to failing students.

Huh?? Here is the original post:

Anonymous wrote:My child was denied with 56 total. Verbal analogies - all correct, Number analogies - 17 out of 18, and Figure Matrices, well, that's, probably, what did her in.

Anyone care to share your child's scores? Just wondering how mine compares to the rest of the MoCo genius pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the wall. It's an excuse for parents to brag about how their no prep kid got in to CES

Funny how the "no prep" kids are taken to museums, farms, concerts, fairs, read to, etc., but they don't consider that "prepping". It's all parental involvement, and enriches children. Just not the type they care to sanction.

Parental involvement and prepping are not synonyms. There is parental involvement that is not prepping. There is prepping that is not parental involvement, except insofar as the parents write the checks and get the kids there.

Stop turning your nose down at people who are not like you and judging. You are educated, wealthy or middle class and have a flexible job or are a SOHM so you can take the time to take your child to museums and all these enriching experiences like traveling. Other parents may be first-generation immigrants or work hourly jobs or be running a small business that doesn't allow them to have the time to do that. They may not speak English well so they don't understand where to find these enriching activities. Providing your child with enriching experiences as the same type of thing as sending your child to one of those Chinese-run "prep" classes. These are all examples of parental "involvement" and all are good. The people sending their kid to a class are not lazy or less involved than you.

[Anonymous]

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Well, there are overzealous parents in every culture. I know a third grader who is starting to have a mental breakdown over the pressures his parents are putting on him to excel in sports. He is very athletic and talented but his father is coaching his every move. That doesn’t mean that I think all parents who have their kids on special sports teams are contributing to an unhealthy culture. I know another parent who coaches their child heavily and he absolutely loves it and is doing junior olympics and thrills to it all, so I don’t pat myself that I am relaxed about sports and therefore the best kind of parent. Your one overstressed Asian student long ago really doesn’t give you the right to judge this volunteering father and his bright little girl.

Well said, thank you. These racist posts make me very sad about the type of parents who live in our area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the wall. It's an excuse for parents to brag about how their no prep kid got in to CES

Funny how the "no prep" kids are taken to museums, farms, concerts, fairs, read to, etc., but they don't consider that "prepping". It's all parental involvement, and enriches children. Just not the type they care to sanction.

I consider that prepping for life. Any benefits to her test scores are just a bonus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some (white) folks on DCUM are really truly awful.

If a Black or brown kid doesn't do well, it is because their parents "don't value education."


But if a first generation immigrant kid of color does well, it is because her dad volunteers at the school too much.

My G-d.

Seriously. A parent literally risks their life and their freedom to come to this country and ensure a future for their kids, but let them miss a few PTA meetings or a bake sale because they're working themselves half to death to be able to stay here, and suddenly we start screaming that they don't care about their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some (white) folks on DCUM are really truly awful.

If a Black or brown kid doesn't do well, it is because their parents "don't value education."


But if a first generation immigrant kid of color does well, it is because her dad volunteers at the school too much.

My G-d.

+1 OMG. This is so right on target. I've been really disgusted by the comments. Black/brown/Asian parents and kids just can't get a break no matter what they do.

What makes you think white parents are starting the achievement gap threads. Genuine question. When I see those, I assume it's Asian parents. Actually I've come to assume this entire forum tips Asian.

Why would you assume that? Do you know many Asian American parents?

Asian parents aren't that concerned about the achievement gap. They believe all children have potential and should try harder. It's not the Asian American parents pushing MCPS to close the achievement gap. That's not to say they don't care about other kids, but just that they believe most of it starts at home.


--signed an Asian American parent

Because some responses self identify as Asian, and because the OP's opening statement is basically, why doesn't MCPS offer Asian style tutoring to failing students.

Huh?? Here is the original post:

Anonymous wrote:My child was denied with 56 total. Verbal analogies - all correct, Number analogies - 17 out of 18, and Figure Matrices, well, that's, probably, what did her in.

Anyone care to share your child's scores? Just wondering how mine compares to the rest of the MoCo genius pool.

Just some cross talk about the achievement gap thread, carry on.