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02/07/2018 17:56

Subject: Re:Episcopal diocese of Washington to drop male pronouns for God

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You seem to forget that Jesus never defined “sin” to include homosexuality, and the respect He always accorded women. Peace

The sin of homosexuality, just like the sin of adultery, were clearly defined as sin in the Old Testament. The idea that an abomination like homosexuality would somehow become normal, acceptable behavior contrary to God's purpose and design for our bodies is absurd. If Jesus had never mentioned murder, would that make it not a sin also?

"Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality so it cannot be a sin." That is completely wrong. Jesus did not mention bestiality either so by your logic, bestiality is not a sin.

Paul certainly addressed homosexuality in 1 Corinthians 6, and the Old Testament does as well. You cannot remove Jesus from the surrounding context of the Old Testament (which he quoted from often), dismiss all of the disciples and men like Paul led by the Holy Spirit just so you can make a feeble case that "Christianity condones and approves of homosexuality."

The case cannot be made. I am amazed how people do their very best to twist and squirm to make Christianity approve of homosexuality. Such people want to please the world, not God.

Let us be clear: a homosexual willfully engaging in that sinful behavior, just like a murderer, just like an adulterer, will not enter heaven. To engage willfully in those sins shows a heart that has not be regenerated, a person who has not been born again.

“Argument against Jesus Didn’t Condemn Homosexuality” http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=7&article=1627
"Examples of Apostasy in the Christian church" https://carm.org/examples-apostasy-christian-church

What you want to do is skip parts of the bible so that you can aid and abet the sin of homosexuality. True Christians who obey their Lord Jesus will not allow anyone, even a Harvard Divinity school grad with a PhD, to get away with it in their churches. It is the height of self deception to craft Christianity in a form so that you can be evil but call yourself good, having a form of godliness --- "I go to church and call myself a Christian", yet deny the power of God who CLEARLY and without any shade of vagueness CLEARLY declared homosexuality, the same as adultery, to be sin.

In Mark 10:19 Jesus said to the man wanting to be a disciple, "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Where did Jesus get these commandments? He got them from the Old Testament where these commandments were defined.

The man talking to Jesus asked "which commandments?" Jesus said, (1) Thou shalt do no murder, (2)Thou shalt not commit adultery, (3)Thou shalt not steal, (4)Thou shalt not bear false witness, (5)Honor thy father and thy mother: and, (6)Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Wait! That's only 5 commandments, adding "love your neighbor" as another. What about:

---Thou shalt have none other gods before me
---Thou shalt not make thee any graven image...shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them
---Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
---Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
---Thou shalt not covet (anything of your neighbor)

Woohoo! Jesus never said anything about worshiping Allah or Krishna or Buddha so it's a-okay! Christianity sure is inclusive, we're all going to heaven even the atheists, wheeee!

Logic Fail. That is your logic. There are many things Jesus did not explicitly address. He did not need to address homosexuality because it was clear to everyone it was a sin, an abomination.
It is like today everyone knows you will get dirty getting in the mud. It is not necessary to tell anyone but small children this fact. This is why it is very important parents and the church teach, over and over again to them, that homosexuality is evil and not to be tolerated even if the teacher at school says it is okay or even if the leaders and lawmakers of the nation say it is okay. It is not. The bible trumps all other authority on the matter.

Notice all these problems in the Episcopal church began when they began ordaining women to lead and have authority over men, an action which Paul, under the direction of the Holy Spirit, wrote that it was not to be: women were to sit down, be quiet, not spouting illogical nonsense like "homosexuality is not a sin", and listen. If she's learned something she can assist the pastor, strengthening the church as women certainly did, like Phebe.

http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume33/GOT033305.html

For the record, I will never attend any church led by a woman pastor, nor any church that does not take a strong, uncompromising stance against sinful behavior such as homosexuality. There is no tolerance, no getting along, no fellowship unless that person admits their sin and stops doing it. There can be no fellowship with evil.

Are you the Anglican poster who just a few pages ago was asked whether you follow Old Testament/Leviticus rules about clothing, etc, and you responded that you didn’t need to because Jesus got rid of those OT rules? Either Jesus got rid of that OT stuff, or he didn’t. I hate to emulate your use of tween language like “logic fail,” but unfortunately it applies here.

If that wasn’t you, DO you follow all those rules in Leviticus? Because if you don’t, then again, “logic fail.”

P.S. Many Christians see Paul as writing pastoral letters to new communities. Many of them are beautiful, but Paul didn’t ask to be taken literally, so why are you taking him literally?