I read this and think of the recent home birth thread. No wonder low risk women seriously consider out of hospital births with trained nurse-midwives.
FWIW, I think the sort of proactive, hands-on care people want is lacking at US hospitals in general. My experience both as an in-patient for surgery and a long night in the ER (at different hospitals in very different states) required what seems like an absurd amount of active management by my DH. Add in hospital administrators (they're the one making big bucks) cutting nursing ratios with little regard as to what it will do to care, and you have our current crisis. |
you are insane. we don't live in huts. people move a lot and their friends don't necessarily live in the area. i don't want to burden my friends with this and don't want to be constantly on hook to care for other people's babies . besides, friends are not substitutes for professional services. do you friends clean your teeth, do your hair, vacuum your apartment? do you ask your friends to come to your hotel to change hotel towels? aren't they the village? hospital bills are insanely huge - it costs more to spend a night at the hospital than to stay at NYC ritz suite for new year's eve. for that money absolutely preposterous and outrageous to expect that people bring their friends to shoulder the burden of care. |
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Come back down to earth. We’re talking about holding and changing healthy newborns. These are not “professional services.” |
They are when the newborn is a patient, see, e.g., what is done in NICU. |
That is precisely why I specified “healthy newborns.” No one is arguing here that NICU babies aren’t getting good care. |
cleaning the room is also simple. should postpartum mothers and their friends do this? |
Not in between patients obviously but I honestly don’t remember anyone cleaning my postpartum room in the 3 days I was there so what’s your point? |
holding and changing diapers is a big deal for exhausted mothers and unexperienced/ busy friends and fathers. |
ok, how about taking out garbage and cooking? should we have kitchens in the room? |
No, we're talking about basic safety and fall prevention for very vulnerable patients (newborns). Fall prevention is a basic safety issue in hospitals. Leaving a newborn with a drugged/exhausted/post-surgery non-ambulatory mom is NOT safe. That's the whole point here. You're acting like nurses are babysitters; they're actually caring for TWO vulnerable patients. I mean, what would you think if the post-partum nurses were themselves on morphine, couldn't walk, had just gotten out of surgery, or hadn't slept for 4 days? Would you think they were fit to care for infants, or anyone? |
Are you arguing that nurses should do that? Because this debate is about what a nurse is supposed to help you with. Start a new thread if you’d like to complain about the hopsital’s non-medical facilities management. |
This is such a great damn point. |
your pony was that diapering was simple so it was not a "professional service". but it can be very tiring and dangerous in the state mother is in. I want my baby to be in the nursery while I am recovering and only be bought to me when I demand it. please explain why paying 30k can not cover this. |
No, it’s more hyperbole. You act like you were literally left alone after birth. Nurses at GW checked on me constantly. If you ask them to help you swaddle the baby or put the baby somewhere, they do it. My bassinet was RIGHT next to my bed. I didn’t have to hold the baby constantly. I guess the take-away is that people’s care needs vary because the anger about GW is not my experience at all. |