Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves US Moms in Danger

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Childbirth and pregnancy have always been dangerous for women and for children. There are two groups who are to blame for the low quality prenatal and labor and delivery care - congress and nazi-style natural birthers.


Both just use a "hope for the best" and "let nature do it's magic" philosophy and the results are the embarrassing statistics you see today.

Did you read the article?

Clearly not. ?

[Anonymous]

Another installment. God was this one hard to read.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/07/568948782/black-mothers-keep-dying-after-giving-birth-shalon-irvings-story-explains-why

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another installment. God was this one hard to read.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/07/568948782/black-mothers-keep-dying-after-giving-birth-shalon-irvings-story-explains-why

I read this yesterday, and it left me in tears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another installment. God was this one hard to read.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/07/568948782/black-mothers-keep-dying-after-giving-birth-shalon-irvings-story-explains-why

I read this yesterday, and it left me in tears.

The original story from this thread left me in tears and immense sadness.. I just can't read this second one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another installment. God was this one hard to read.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/07/568948782/black-mothers-keep-dying-after-giving-birth-shalon-irvings-story-explains-why

Yes, I could barely read it. This mother got treated horrendously.

[Anonymous]

When will I learn. Do. Not. Read. Articles like this. So many tears ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To me, the really horrifying part of the article was that this woman's husband was a doctor, who noticed symptoms, checked with an outside expert, and begged for it to be taken seriously as her condition worsened...and her OB just stalled and insisted he couldn't be wrong until it was far too late. You couldn't ask for much better patient advocacy but it didn't help a bit. What does it say about medicine when even a nurse married to a doctor who tried to get proper treatment , both working at that hospital, is fatally ignored?

i still thinking about this woman and i think that the fact that both the mother and her husband knew the doctor privately (she worked with him; the husband also worked with him at some point prior) may have decreased their ability to advocate on their behalf. they certainly had the knowledge and knew people, but i think it might have hampered their ability to pressure him, and also, i think the doctor was more defensive and wanted to appear in control in front of his friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, the really horrifying part of the article was that this woman's husband was a doctor, who noticed symptoms, checked with an outside expert, and begged for it to be taken seriously as her condition worsened...and her OB just stalled and insisted he couldn't be wrong until it was far too late. You couldn't ask for much better patient advocacy but it didn't help a bit. What does it say about medicine when even a nurse married to a doctor who tried to get proper treatment , both working at that hospital, is fatally ignored?

i still thinking about this woman and i think that the fact that both the mother and her husband knew the doctor privately (she worked with him; the husband also worked with him at some point prior) may have decreased their ability to advocate on their behalf. they certainly had the knowledge and knew people, but i think it might have hampered their ability to pressure him, and also, i think the doctor was more defensive and wanted to appear in control in front of his friends.

Sorry, I am going to disagree with this. As a patient in the hospital, even if you are a nurse and your husband is a doctor, you are extremely vulnerable. The medical staff is in the power position--the patient and their family are not. Both DH and I work in health policy and are very comfortable talking to clinicians and advocating for ourselves but I was stunned by my treatment in the hospital when I had my daughter. We had many, many issues with my care and our repeated complaints, requests, etc. were just totally ignored by the medical staff. The constant shift changes and endless stream of doctors, midwives, nurses, and residents involved in my care meant that no one person was keeping track of me. I think that case just goes to show that our current maternity care system needs a major overhaul--especially in the postpartum period--if even the most educated and involved patients and families cannot get good care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, the really horrifying part of the article was that this woman's husband was a doctor, who noticed symptoms, checked with an outside expert, and begged for it to be taken seriously as her condition worsened...and her OB just stalled and insisted he couldn't be wrong until it was far too late. You couldn't ask for much better patient advocacy but it didn't help a bit. What does it say about medicine when even a nurse married to a doctor who tried to get proper treatment , both working at that hospital, is fatally ignored?

i still thinking about this woman and i think that the fact that both the mother and her husband knew the doctor privately (she worked with him; the husband also worked with him at some point prior) may have decreased their ability to advocate on their behalf. they certainly had the knowledge and knew people, but i think it might have hampered their ability to pressure him, and also, i think the doctor was more defensive and wanted to appear in control in front of his friends.

Sorry, I am going to disagree with this. As a patient in the hospital, even if you are a nurse and your husband is a doctor, you are extremely vulnerable. The medical staff is in the power position--the patient and their family are not. Both DH and I work in health policy and are very comfortable talking to clinicians and advocating for ourselves but I was stunned by my treatment in the hospital when I had my daughter. We had many, many issues with my care and our repeated complaints, requests, etc. were just totally ignored by the medical staff. The constant shift changes and endless stream of doctors, midwives, nurses, and residents involved in my care meant that no one person was keeping track of me. I think that case just goes to show that our current maternity care system needs a major overhaul--especially in the postpartum period--if even the most educated and involved patients and families cannot get good care.

i don't necessarily disagree with you - i am talking about additional burden (which might on surface seem like privilege) when you are friends/colleagues with your doctor. i think it created an unhealthy and ultimately disastrous dynamic in this instance.

[Anonymous]

Re - patient/dr relationship above. What an infuriating comment. Why must we always blame the victim? I had a horrible birth and my sister said, you know, the friends I have who had traumatic births were generally the sort of people who didn't stick up for themselves. My sister is a good person - I'm sure you are too. But she has never had to struggle - sure, she has had to push for job promotions and opportunities like anyone - for herself the way one might in a health crisis. Or if you lost your home or had some other major trauma. Until you have had this sort of experience, please refrain from critiquing little Soleil's mother. She isn't even here to defend herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re - patient/dr relationship above. What an infuriating comment. Why must we always blame the victim? I had a horrible birth and my sister said, you know, the friends I have who had traumatic births were generally the sort of people who didn't stick up for themselves. My sister is a good person - I'm sure you are too. But she has never had to struggle - sure, she has had to push for job promotions and opportunities like anyone - for herself the way one might in a health crisis. Or if you lost your home or had some other major trauma. Until you have had this sort of experience, please refrain from critiquing little Soleil's mother. She isn't even here to defend herself.

umm, I am not taking about soleil's mother but about different case entirely (NJ nurse with a doctor husband). it would be helpful if you tried to understand what is being said before starting your self-righteous rants.

[Anonymous]

I’m 26 weeks pregnant w my first and shouldn’t have been reading these - jesus. I was anxious before but now I’m just terrified. So what can we do? Should I be scheduling a follow up now? So scared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m 26 weeks pregnant w my first and shouldn’t have been reading these - jesus. I was anxious before but now I’m just terrified. So what can we do? Should I be scheduling a follow up now? So scared.

This thread has some good advice:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/659821.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 26 weeks pregnant w my first and shouldn’t have been reading these - jesus. I was anxious before but now I’m just terrified. So what can we do? Should I be scheduling a follow up now? So scared.

This thread has some good advice:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/659821.page

Thank you. I'm at GW w/ the OBs and am constantly questioning my decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 26 weeks pregnant w my first and shouldn’t have been reading these - jesus. I was anxious before but now I’m just terrified. So what can we do? Should I be scheduling a follow up now? So scared.

This thread has some good advice:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/659821.page

Thank you. I'm at GW w/ the OBs and am constantly questioning my decision.

Trust your gut. If the practice doesn't feel good, for heavens sake switch. I delivered with a practice that I had considered leaving,
and ended up with a bad experience for many of the reasons I had Been concerned about. Trust your instincts.