$14k net HHI - Budget Input

Anonymous
These threads are so fascinating. OP has the chance to build real wealth, retire early, do some amazing charity work etc. and instead she is pissing it all away on cars, manicures, classes for a toddler and shampoo. And the cost of the house makes me think she doesn't even live in a ridiculously fancy neighborhood. Takes all kids, I guess.
Anonymous
Spending $750 on an 'investment' seems like a terrible idea. Investments should be making you money be definition.

$700 for a leased car is a ridiculous waste of money. That could be going into a college fund.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:These threads are so fascinating. OP has the chance to build real wealth, retire early, do some amazing charity work etc. and instead she is pissing it all away on cars, manicures, classes for a toddler and shampoo. And the cost of the house makes me think she doesn't even live in a ridiculously fancy neighborhood. Takes all kids, I guess.


How much should OP be investing from take home pay?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:These threads are so fascinating. OP has the chance to build real wealth, retire early, do some amazing charity work etc. and instead she is pissing it all away on cars, manicures, classes for a toddler and shampoo. And the cost of the house makes me think she doesn't even live in a ridiculously fancy neighborhood. Takes all kids, I guess.


+1. We used to be the same way. Luckily we figured it out.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We are struggling to not overspend each month on a take home HHI of $14k per month (after retirement/taxes). I feel like (i know) this is ridiculous, so I'm looking for input from those with similar incomes on where we are spending more than average. And would also love to know how you cut back to spend less in those areas.

The way our average spending is coming in now we're in the hole about $600 more than we take in each month without savings (other than automatic to retirement), travel and any unexpected expenses. So something has to give. Obviously I know we could cut out things like the house cleaner that are optional. But I feel there must be other areas we're spending more than the norm we need to cut back on to get things under control.

Here is our average monthly spending by category - What looks out of whack to you with HHI of $14k per month?

Nanny/PT Preschool for one child - $3k per month
Mortgage - $3100 per month
HOA Fee - $200 per month
Investment Property - $750 per month (what rent doesn't cover) sell this. Horrible investment. Invest the $750 in an index fund instead. $750
Home Insurance - $125 per month
Car Payments - $1200 per month (2 cars). when the one car comes off of lease either lease an inexpensive car or buy one. Never buy such expensive cars unless you have a lot of money in the bank. $350.
Car Insurance - $110 per month (2 cars)
Gas - $200 per month
Tolls - $35 per month
Groceries - $1k per month, family of 3 plus nanny (weekdays breakfast & lunch for her). Includes wine/beer and hello fresh for weeknight meals
Restaurants/Take Out - $500 per month (normally one 'nice' date night dinner and the rest inexpensive)
Home Supplies - $650 per month (all the basics like toilet paper, paper towels, cat food/litter, shampoo, OTC meds, cosmetics, diapers, baby supplies, blah blah). this is nuts. You can easily spend $300 less.
Student Loans - $350 per month
Personal Care - $350 per month (hair cuts/color, waxing, nails)
House Cleaner - $300 per month. clean your own house. $300
Lawn Care - $135 per month. mow your own lawn. Your lawn man probably has more money in savings than you do $130
Shopping (Clothing/Accessories/Home Decor) - $500 per month
Gifts - $200 per month wtf is this about. At least cut in half. $100
Work Lunch - $150 per month
Entertaining - $200 per month (having guests over/parties) $200. Stop this until your finances are under control.
Kid's Activities/Lessons - $200 per month (swim class, music class, outings). your retirement comes before swim lessons. $200
Doctor/Dentist - $150 per month
Pharmacy/Medications - $100 per month
Water Bill - $100 ($300 every 3 months)
Gas Bill - $140 (in winter, much less in summer months)
Electric Bill - $200
Cell Phones - $200
Pets - $100 earmarked per month for vet visits, meds etc every few months
Entertainment - $150 per month (going out for drinks/movies/etc)
Cash - $200
TOTAL ~ $14,600

The investment property seems like an obvious thing to cut but Husband wants to keep the investment property as we should be able to refinance that and charge more rent to have that monthly cost go away in the very near future. And all of that $$ we're paying is going towards principal on the mortgage for that property, and it's in a great location in arlington so will hold/increase value.


I found at least $2,500 in your budget and that's still leaving a lot that could be cut.
Anonymous
Op we make a similar amount of money and used to spend a lot like you. Previously we spent it all and didn't understand what we were doing wrong. I'll post our current budget so you can see the differences. It's not just the little things that add up but some big lifestyle choices.

Take home after maxing out retirement for two earners : $15k

$5k - 15 year mortgage in DC
$200 - car insurance and gas. We have one car we own outright and don't use it to commute. We fill up around 1 or 2x a month.
$2,000 - weekly money. We spend $500 weekly on groceries, dining out, manicures, drycleaning, coffees etc. we take $500 out a week out of the atm.
$800 all utilities, cell phones, car insurance etc.
$175 - gym. Hate this one.
$1000 - travel, new furniture, unexpected home repair, clothing etc.
$200 - haircut and color
5k - savings / investments (with baby in daycare will become 2.5k)

We also earn another 100-120k each year in bonuses and save most of this.

We would not be saving 5k or 2k if we drove your cars, commuted via car and also spent what you do on gifts, dining out, groceries and drygoods. We don't have a cleaning lady or a yard man. You need a lifestyle makeover if you ever want to accumulate wealth.
Anonymous
You are throwing money out the window by leasing the car. When the lease is up it won't even be yours. When the lease is up but a used good car. We make $250k and bought a 2015 Subaru with cash and are still driving an old Toyota until it dies.
Your miscellaneous and clothes, gifts shopping is way too high. What are you buying? $500 of clothes every month? I love clothes and I spend half that on a splurge month. $650 on household? Are you using a roll of paper towels an hour?
Get hit credit card statement and look at every purchase!
Also set up your bank account to take a certain amount every month right when your pay checks hit and put into a separate savings account. Start with 10%. That money doesn't exist. Oh and max out the 401k and iras right now.
Anonymous
I can't believe you're spending $1500 a month on cars. Wow. I would choose to live in a 2 bedroom condo in DC and spend $0 on cars and never have to drive on a toll road.

If you downsized to a condo or small rowhouse you could also cut out the cleaning lady and the yard guy. You'd also have access to free pre-k.

You're basically spending an extra $5k each month to live in the burbs and I assume have a longer commute. That is tragic.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We are struggling to not overspend each month on a take home HHI of $14k per month (after retirement/taxes). I feel like (i know) this is ridiculous, so I'm looking for input from those with similar incomes on where we are spending more than average. And would also love to know how you cut back to spend less in those areas.

The way our average spending is coming in now we're in the hole about $600 more than we take in each month without savings (other than automatic to retirement), travel and any unexpected expenses. So something has to give. Obviously I know we could cut out things like the house cleaner that are optional. But I feel there must be other areas we're spending more than the norm we need to cut back on to get things under control.

Here is our average monthly spending by category - What looks out of whack to you with HHI of $14k per month?

Nanny/PT Preschool for one child - $3k per month
Mortgage - $3100 per month
HOA Fee - $200 per month
Investment Property - $750 per month (what rent doesn't cover)
Home Insurance - $125 per month
Car Payments - $1200 per month (2 cars)
Car Insurance - $110 per month (2 cars)
Gas - $200 per month
Tolls - $35 per month
Groceries - $1k per month, family of 3 plus nanny (weekdays breakfast & lunch for her). Includes wine/beer and hello fresh for weeknight meals
Restaurants/Take Out - $500 per month (normally one 'nice' date night dinner and the rest inexpensive)
Home Supplies - $650 per month (all the basics like toilet paper, paper towels, cat food/litter, shampoo, OTC meds, cosmetics, diapers, baby supplies, blah blah)
Student Loans - $350 per month
Personal Care - $350 per month (hair cuts/color, waxing, nails)
House Cleaner - $300 per month
Lawn Care - $135 per month
Shopping (Clothing/Accessories/Home Decor) - $500 per month
Gifts - $200 per month
Work Lunch - $150 per month
Entertaining - $200 per month (having guests over/parties)
Kid's Activities/Lessons - $200 per month (swim class, music class, outings)
Doctor/Dentist - $150 per month
Pharmacy/Medications - $100 per month
Water Bill - $100 ($300 every 3 months)
Gas Bill - $140 (in winter, much less in summer months)
Electric Bill - $200
Cell Phones - $200
Pets - $100 earmarked per month for vet visits, meds etc every few months
Entertainment - $150 per month (going out for drinks/movies/etc)
Cash - $200
TOTAL ~ $14,600

The investment property seems like an obvious thing to cut but Husband wants to keep the investment property as we should be able to refinance that and charge more rent to have that monthly cost go away in the very near future. And all of that $$ we're paying is going towards principal on the mortgage for that property, and it's in a great location in arlington so will hold/increase value.


New poster here. I don't think it's the car payments that are killing you guys, it's the rest of your discretionary spending.

The most ridiculous expenses you have are $650 on home supplies, $350 on personal care, $500 on clothes and home decor, $200 on activities for pre-school child, and $200 on gifts.
My husband and I make as much money as you, and we spend half on what you spend on the above you called out.

Anonymous
Get rid of that 'investment property' and start maxing your 401k and Roth IRA's now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are struggling to not overspend each month on a take home HHI of $14k per month (after retirement/taxes). I feel like (i know) this is ridiculous, so I'm looking for input from those with similar incomes on where we are spending more than average. And would also love to know how you cut back to spend less in those areas.

The way our average spending is coming in now we're in the hole about $600 more than we take in each month without savings (other than automatic to retirement), travel and any unexpected expenses. So something has to give. Obviously I know we could cut out things like the house cleaner that are optional. But I feel there must be other areas we're spending more than the norm we need to cut back on to get things under control.

Here is our average monthly spending by category - What looks out of whack to you with HHI of $14k per month?

Nanny/PT Preschool for one child - $3k per month
Mortgage - $3100 per month
HOA Fee - $200 per month
Investment Property - $750 per month (what rent doesn't cover)
Home Insurance - $125 per month
Car Payments - $1200 per month (2 cars)
Car Insurance - $110 per month (2 cars)
Gas - $200 per month
Tolls - $35 per month
Groceries - $1k per month, family of 3 plus nanny (weekdays breakfast & lunch for her). Includes wine/beer and hello fresh for weeknight meals
Restaurants/Take Out - $500 per month (normally one 'nice' date night dinner and the rest inexpensive)
Home Supplies - $650 per month (all the basics like toilet paper, paper towels, cat food/litter, shampoo, OTC meds, cosmetics, diapers, baby supplies, blah blah)
Student Loans - $350 per month
Personal Care - $350 per month (hair cuts/color, waxing, nails)
House Cleaner - $300 per month
Lawn Care - $135 per month
Shopping (Clothing/Accessories/Home Decor) - $500 per month
Gifts - $200 per month
Work Lunch - $150 per month
Entertaining - $200 per month (having guests over/parties)
Kid's Activities/Lessons - $200 per month (swim class, music class, outings)
Doctor/Dentist - $150 per month
Pharmacy/Medications - $100 per month
Water Bill - $100 ($300 every 3 months)
Gas Bill - $140 (in winter, much less in summer months)
Electric Bill - $200
Cell Phones - $200
Pets - $100 earmarked per month for vet visits, meds etc every few months
Entertainment - $150 per month (going out for drinks/movies/etc)
Cash - $200
TOTAL ~ $14,600

The investment property seems like an obvious thing to cut but Husband wants to keep the investment property as we should be able to refinance that and charge more rent to have that monthly cost go away in the very near future. And all of that $$ we're paying is going towards principal on the mortgage for that property, and it's in a great location in arlington so will hold/increase value.


New poster here. I don't think it's the car payments that are killing you guys, it's the rest of your discretionary spending.

The most ridiculous expenses you have are $650 on home supplies, $350 on personal care, $500 on clothes and home decor, $200 on activities for pre-school child, and $200 on gifts.
My husband and I make as much money as you, and we spend half on what you spend on the above you called out.



It's not an either or, it's both. Assuming it's a 3 years lease, and they had to put $3000 down for the Mercedes, they are spending more that $28,000 on a car and will have nothing to show for it in 3 years. If someone can afford that, great. OP clearly cannot. Either a leased car at 1/3 of the cost, or just buying a car outright for $30,000 and keeping it for 6 years would be a significant savings. But their friends all drive Mercedes, so clearly they have to as well. But, you are right that the car isn't the only problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are struggling to not overspend each month on a take home HHI of $14k per month (after retirement/taxes). I feel like (i know) this is ridiculous, so I'm looking for input from those with similar incomes on where we are spending more than average. And would also love to know how you cut back to spend less in those areas.

The way our average spending is coming in now we're in the hole about $600 more than we take in each month without savings (other than automatic to retirement), travel and any unexpected expenses. So something has to give. Obviously I know we could cut out things like the house cleaner that are optional. But I feel there must be other areas we're spending more than the norm we need to cut back on to get things under control.

Here is our average monthly spending by category - What looks out of whack to you with HHI of $14k per month?

Nanny/PT Preschool for one child - $3k per month
Mortgage - $3100 per month
HOA Fee - $200 per month
Investment Property - $750 per month (what rent doesn't cover)
Home Insurance - $125 per month
Car Payments - $1200 per month (2 cars)
Car Insurance - $110 per month (2 cars)
Gas - $200 per month
Tolls - $35 per month
Groceries - $1k per month, family of 3 plus nanny (weekdays breakfast & lunch for her). Includes wine/beer and hello fresh for weeknight meals
Restaurants/Take Out - $500 per month (normally one 'nice' date night dinner and the rest inexpensive)
Home Supplies - $650 per month (all the basics like toilet paper, paper towels, cat food/litter, shampoo, OTC meds, cosmetics, diapers, baby supplies, blah blah)
Student Loans - $350 per month
Personal Care - $350 per month (hair cuts/color, waxing, nails)
House Cleaner - $300 per month
Lawn Care - $135 per month
Shopping (Clothing/Accessories/Home Decor) - $500 per month
Gifts - $200 per month
Work Lunch - $150 per month
Entertaining - $200 per month (having guests over/parties)
Kid's Activities/Lessons - $200 per month (swim class, music class, outings)
Doctor/Dentist - $150 per month
Pharmacy/Medications - $100 per month
Water Bill - $100 ($300 every 3 months)
Gas Bill - $140 (in winter, much less in summer months)
Electric Bill - $200
Cell Phones - $200
Pets - $100 earmarked per month for vet visits, meds etc every few months
Entertainment - $150 per month (going out for drinks/movies/etc)
Cash - $200
TOTAL ~ $14,600

The investment property seems like an obvious thing to cut but Husband wants to keep the investment property as we should be able to refinance that and charge more rent to have that monthly cost go away in the very near future. And all of that $$ we're paying is going towards principal on the mortgage for that property, and it's in a great location in arlington so will hold/increase value.


New poster here. I don't think it's the car payments that are killing you guys, it's the rest of your discretionary spending.

The most ridiculous expenses you have are $650 on home supplies, $350 on personal care, $500 on clothes and home decor, $200 on activities for pre-school child, and $200 on gifts.
My husband and I make as much money as you, and we spend half on what you spend on the above you called out.



It's not an either or, it's both. Assuming it's a 3 years lease, and they had to put $3000 down for the Mercedes, they are spending more that $28,000 on a car and will have nothing to show for it in 3 years. If someone can afford that, great. OP clearly cannot. Either a leased car at 1/3 of the cost, or just buying a car outright for $30,000 and keeping it for 6 years would be a significant savings. But their friends all drive Mercedes, so clearly they have to as well. But, you are right that the car isn't the only problem.


Fair point about the lease. I guess my position is that most people NEED cars. $1200 in payments for 2 cars seemed okay to me. I had $550/monthly car payment on a ~$30K car, so $1200 seemed reasonable to me for 2 cars. It's true that you can get by with a much cheaper car, but 2 ~$30K cars aren't outrageous. Now, spending more than a car payment on "home supplies" (which includes makeup) per month - that's excessive. My husband and I go through paper towels and cleaning supplies like crazy, and even then, we spend about $50/month on such things. OP is likely lumping in Chanel makeup with "home supplies" which is why she's spending a ton of money.
Anonymous
I've seen strainers with fewer holes than OP's budget
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does this work out to be as gross income?

Just curious.


OP here- Our base without bonuses is $280k, works out to ~ $14k after retirement/taxes/etc


Here is a car reality check for you OP. My DH makes $250k and I don't work (so no childcare expenses.) He drives a 2011 Hyundai Sonata sedan and I drive a 2014 Honda Pilot. Both were purchased in full with cash. No plans to car shop anytime soon.

Your "peers" with fancy cars either make more than you or are losing money like you. Or they don't have an investment property, etc.


THANK YOU for saying this. OP really sounds like typical keeping up with the Joneses. My brother is a partner at E&Y and clears well over 500k a year. They have a paid off 2015 Mazda CX9 and a 2014 Hyundai Sonata.


OP here - After going through this review of our own finances I'm guessing our peers are also losing money. We're clearing about $330k after bonuses but can barely seem to break even. I appreciate the reality check as I guess we need it.


Are you planning to be wage slaves for the next 25 or 30 years? If not, the focus should be on how fast you can save enough to be financially independent. You said you made 280 but it's really 330. You don't seem to value the fact that you are young and healthy now, but some day you won't be, and you will have burned up your human capital for nothing lasting.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:These threads are so fascinating. OP has the chance to build real wealth, retire early, do some amazing charity work etc. and instead she is pissing it all away on cars, manicures, classes for a toddler and shampoo. And the cost of the house makes me think she doesn't even live in a ridiculously fancy neighborhood. Takes all kids, I guess.


YES. THIS.
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