Toni Braxton says her child "cured" of autism through early intervention

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BTW PP, child-led interventions for speech like the Hanen Method have been studied and found effective for all kinds of kids, including those with Language Impairment, Autism Spectrum Disorder, and Developmental Delay.
http://www.hanen.org/Helpful-Info/Articles/Parents-as--Speech-Therapists--What-a-New-Study-S.aspx

So enough with the BS but ST is "so different" for ASD and non-ASD kids. It's not.

the videos you posted and the kids look quite different. the apraxic kid is being taught the mechanics of speech, snd the kid w asd looks more like he is being taught how to communicate syntactically. I am sure there are commanalities with therapies but I am also sure that they are not identical.

That is not at all how speech therapy looked for my child.

[Anonymous]

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You are kidding yourself if you think those videos look like good speech therapy. I know it's what a lot of speech therapists do -- and it's lousy. Child-led therapy is what works. It took me quite a while to find someone who did it, but when I did, the difference was night and day.

I didn't say anything about the quality, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think most speech therapy looks like this in practice. Also, they are just examples of STs assessing where kids are and progress.

The main point is that two kids have very similar struggles; the differences are in affect and eye contact.

So please get over thinking your kid with a language disorder is so much different than children on the spectrum.

The child with autism had to be trained to sit in the chair and participate. That is a huge difference right there. I don't think the child lead is best. My child has always had therapist directed but they play fun games at those young ages. The kids may have similar struggles, but the they are indeed very different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

You are kidding yourself if you think those videos look like good speech therapy. I know it's what a lot of speech therapists do -- and it's lousy. Child-led therapy is what works. It took me quite a while to find someone who did it, but when I did, the difference was night and day.

I didn't say anything about the quality, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think most speech therapy looks like this in practice. Also, they are just examples of STs assessing where kids are and progress.

The main point is that two kids have very similar struggles; the differences are in affect and eye contact.

So please get over thinking your kid with a language disorder is so much different than children on the spectrum.

The child with autism had to be trained to sit in the chair and participate. That is a huge difference right there. I don't think the child lead is best. My child has always had therapist directed but they play fun games at those young ages. The kids may have similar struggles, but the they are indeed very different.

But the child with autism did learn to sit in a chair and participate just like a kid with a speech delay. They just had different starting points in terms of tolerance.

And yes, pretty much every speech therapist I know would play games with children to get them to participate in ST. Again, the examples show you how similar kids can be regardless of the diagnosis.

Kids are more the same than they are different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are kidding yourself if you think those videos look like good speech therapy. I know it's what a lot of speech therapists do -- and it's lousy. Child-led therapy is what works. It took me quite a while to find someone who did it, but when I did, the difference was night and day.

I didn't say anything about the quality, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think most speech therapy looks like this in practice. Also, they are just examples of STs assessing where kids are and progress.

The main point is that two kids have very similar struggles; the differences are in affect and eye contact.

So please get over thinking your kid with a language disorder is so much different than children on the spectrum.

The child with autism had to be trained to sit in the chair and participate. That is a huge difference right there. I don't think the child lead is best. My child has always had therapist directed but they play fun games at those young ages. The kids may have similar struggles, but the they are indeed very different.

But the child with autism did learn to sit in a chair and participate just like a kid with a speech delay. They just had different starting points in terms of tolerance.

And yes, pretty much every speech therapist I know would play games with children to get them to participate in ST. Again, the examples show you how similar kids can be regardless of the diagnosis.

Kids are more the same than they are different.

The kids and the therapies looked REALLY different to me. It looked like they were learning two totally separate skills.

[Anonymous]

Just keep lying to yourself--ST is so different, my kid is so different...congrats you win the Braxton Award.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are kidding yourself if you think those videos look like good speech therapy. I know it's what a lot of speech therapists do -- and it's lousy. Child-led therapy is what works. It took me quite a while to find someone who did it, but when I did, the difference was night and day.

I didn't say anything about the quality, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think most speech therapy looks like this in practice. Also, they are just examples of STs assessing where kids are and progress.

The main point is that two kids have very similar struggles; the differences are in affect and eye contact.

So please get over thinking your kid with a language disorder is so much different than children on the spectrum.

The child with autism had to be trained to sit in the chair and participate. That is a huge difference right there. I don't think the child lead is best. My child has always had therapist directed but they play fun games at those young ages. The kids may have similar struggles, but the they are indeed very different.

But the child with autism did learn to sit in a chair and participate just like a kid with a speech delay. They just had different starting points in terms of tolerance.

And yes, pretty much every speech therapist I know would play games with children to get them to participate in ST. Again, the examples show you how similar kids can be regardless of the diagnosis.

Kids are more the same than they are different.

It doesn't take most language kids months or longer to sit in a chair. That for one is a huge difference. There were many others too. It isn't all the same nor does it continue to be the same later on. Why are you so insistent that they are the same? Does it make you feel better to lump them all together and insist they all get the "same" treatment?

[Anonymous]

I am so tired of this debate. It is nonsense. There are so many individual variables for children, the most of important of which is probably ultimately iq, that this is all nonsense. But the speech people. Receptive delays are probably the most difficult to treat and the most indicative of cognitive issues. I know, my child has them. So stand down on this whole silly debate. Speech therapy and all good therapy is tailored to the child and not the diagnosis. So much of this is thinking you're in for an easier path if it's x and not y. But there is simply no way at all to know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of this debate. It is nonsense. There are so many individual variables for children, the most of important of which is probably ultimately iq, that this is all nonsense. But the speech people. Receptive delays are probably the most difficult to treat and the most indicative of cognitive issues. I know, my child has them. So stand down on this whole silly debate. Speech therapy and all good therapy is tailored to the child and not the diagnosis. So much of this is thinking you're in for an easier path if it's x and not y. But there is simply no way at all to know that.

Amen x 1000

[Anonymous]

The debate is not nonsense at all. If you look at those videos, then swap the kids in them, what kind of progress do you think those kids would make? Trying to teach the apraxic child to comply, and the autistic child the mechanics of speech? The answer is not much.

The details of how therapies unfold, and how children are taught makes a huge difference. I unfortunately wasted years of my child's life and a lot of money working with a well-respected speech therapist who still did not truly understand how to work with a child with severe receptive issues. Instead, she used the therapy skills she'd developed working with children with autism, which heavily focused on compliance. Once I made a change, I realized how speech therapy should look like for my child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The debate is not nonsense at all. If you look at those videos, then swap the kids in them, what kind of progress do you think those kids would make? Trying to teach the apraxic child to comply, and the autistic child the mechanics of speech? The answer is not much.

The details of how therapies unfold, and how children are taught makes a huge difference. I unfortunately wasted years of my child's life and a lot of money working with a well-respected speech therapist who still did not truly understand how to work with a child with severe receptive issues. Instead, she used the therapy skills she'd developed working with children with autism, which heavily focused on compliance. Once I made a change, I realized how speech therapy should look like for my child.

We bounced through multiple speech pathologists before we found the right fit. I had one parent keep pushing me to try hers and we did and she was terrible. I was surprised at how the woman was so popular, especially when she didn't take insurance. Many people do not understand receptive issues as well as they claim to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of this debate. It is nonsense. There are so many individual variables for children, the most of important of which is probably ultimately iq, that this is all nonsense. But the speech people. Receptive delays are probably the most difficult to treat and the most indicative of cognitive issues. I know, my child has them. So stand down on this whole silly debate. Speech therapy and all good therapy is tailored to the child and not the diagnosis. So much of this is thinking you're in for an easier path if it's x and not y. But there is simply no way at all to know that.

While, I'm tired of the debate too, what is going on with the child is important. A child with expressive and receptive issue is going to have a much more difficult time than a child with just expressive issues. A child with severe apraxia will have a much harder time than a child with expressive issues. A child with just receptive issues is going to have an even more difficult time if someone doesn't catch it (although often it is caught later on and called auditory processing). A child with severe autism is not going to fair as well as one with HFA or Aspergers (depending on how it impacts them). Of course, IQ has a huge part in it but you have kids who are low functioning autism who are really bright. Its very hard to test kids early on. We only had one person offer the non-verbal IQ and even then he said it would not be fully accurate.

Sadly, most SLP's, OT's and ABA just aren't very good. Many often have their own agenda and don't listen to the parents or kids.

Some of it is also your personal tolerance to different behaviors and needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of this debate. It is nonsense. There are so many individual variables for children, the most of important of which is probably ultimately iq, that this is all nonsense. But the speech people. Receptive delays are probably the most difficult to treat and the most indicative of cognitive issues. I know, my child has them. So stand down on this whole silly debate. Speech therapy and all good therapy is tailored to the child and not the diagnosis. So much of this is thinking you're in for an easier path if it's x and not y. But there is simply no way at all to know that.

While, I'm tired of the debate too, what is going on with the child is important. A child with expressive and receptive issue is going to have a much more difficult time than a child with just expressive issues. A child with severe apraxia will have a much harder time than a child with expressive issues. A child with just receptive issues is going to have an even more difficult time if someone doesn't catch it (although often it is caught later on and called auditory processing). A child with severe autism is not going to fair as well as one with HFA or Aspergers (depending on how it impacts them). Of course, IQ has a huge part in it but you have kids who are low functioning autism who are really bright. Its very hard to test kids early on. We only had one person offer the non-verbal IQ and even then he said it would not be fully accurate.

Sadly, most SLP's, OT's and ABA just aren't very good. Many often have their own agenda and don't listen to the parents or kids.

Some of it is also your personal tolerance to different behaviors and needs.

Yes, this is what we found. And the therapy approach made a huge difference. No parent should assume that they do the same things for all types of language issues. There's one or two posters who like to sell that to SN parents on these boards, but it's a crock. Been there, done that! Specificity makes all the difference in your child's progress.