Brave woman hiker's last journal entries finally revealed

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Anonymous wrote:OMG can't we just agree that this is very sad and while she clearly made some mistakes, it is a sad story and we all have likely made mistakes that could have been fatal and got lucky (I see people texting and driving every day...) while she made mistakes that turned out to be deadly. Also, she wasn't planning to hike solo - but her hiking partner had to get off the trail early and she decided to continue. It also doesn't sound like she just stayed in place - she tried to hike up to get a cell signal and it was in very dense woods so hard to see far in front of her. Also from what I read in "A Walk in the Woods" there are a lot of people hiking the AT, so you are less alone than in a lot of hikes (provided you stay on the trail).


No, we can't agree. First of all, if someone dies because they were texting and driving, my reaction would be the same: they were downright stupid to do that, and they risked other peoples lives. Texting and driving isn't a "mistake." It's a conscious action that is well known to be risky not just to one's self but everyone else. Honestly, I even put that in the category of drinking and driving.

While hiking alone isn't as bad as texting and driving, it's downright foolish, even for someone who is experienced. She could have easily stopped when her hiking partner stopped. And in some accounts, the hiking partner even URGED her to and said they could do it again the following summer.

Sure, a lot of people hike the AT, but when you go off the trail, that is a different story. And even with a lot of people hiking the trail, it's still a horrible idea to do it alone.

Every time a story like this comes out, the message should be that it is foolish to hike alone. But instead, you get all of these people offering "well, I could have navigated" or "it's just a tragic accident."

No. Don't hike alone in remote areas.
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I think this is a little excessive. This woman seems to have had insufficient skill and left one of her protective layers behind (her SPOT). If she had her SPOT with her when this happened it would have been a very different story. It's why many solo hikers including myself carry something along those lines - personally I have the InReach that allows for 2 way texting. I also never hike without paper map and compass and have my phone set as a GPS.

There are lots of small errors in this story, but perhaps the biggest was to keep going when she was misplaced rather than backtracking to a known location. She got off trail to pee - she wasn't intentionally going miles off trail. The instant she realized she was lost she should have stopped, and if she couldn't easily backtrack she should have stayed in that spot and proceeded to use her whistle to blow the 3 whistle emergency signal every few couple minutes. She might have had to do that for a while but if you're just off trail far enough to pee you're close enough for someone to hear the whistle. And any backpacker worth their salt will stop to assist.
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Is solo backpacking as safe as doing it with a companion? Of course not, but that can be said of all sorts of things. It is not however so risky that we should offer a blanket 'don't ever hike solo.'


Almost every disaster is the result of multiple factors, any one of which could have averted the situation, had it gone a different way. The trick is to figure out how to change at least one. The first rule of wilderness survival is "STOP, and THINK." I think it's like someone who can't swim who falls into the water. If they would just relax, they would float. Panic is the biggest killer. Based on other comments re: her apparent poor sense of direction, she may not have realized that she was lost until she was very far away from the trail and seriously had no idea how to navigate. (Which goes back to the fact that she, in particular, shouldn't have been out there alone.) The rescuers apparently were very close to where her body was found. Why didn't she start a very smoky campfire? Even if the woods were damp (as per usual in Maine), surely she had some fuel for a stove that she could have used to get it started?

There are parallels to the Christopher McCandless story, although I agree that he was trying to get lost. However, I do think he realized too late that he didn't want to die. The mutiple mistakes he made in preparation (or lack thereof) are well documented. However, the bus he died in is not far at all (by Alaska standards) from Park Service facilities, and a simple map would have shown him a way to get out, even over the flooded river (there was a cable over the river not far away). In any case, it's near a small airport and Park Service planes fly fairly low over it all the time as they take off and land. There were ways he could have attracted attention. The book was annoying in the way it glamorized his situation. I had read the book, but when I was in the area and realized how close he was to help, I was shocked.

My husband and I are teaching our children survival skills (through Boy Scouts and on our own). Even if those skills are never needed, the confidence it gives to a kid to know that he can survive is a wonderful gift. You must respect the wilderness, but, if you are appropriately prepared, there is no reason to fear it.


As any student of literature knows, the biggest factor (usually) in human tragedy is hubris. I'm sorry, but I think many people *think* they know how to survive in the wilderness, but the reality is that even people who for a living have to have those skills acquire them over years -- with LOTS of time actually spent surviving and living in the wilderness. And even those people -- who train for years and actually spend time relying on their survival skills -- still fear the wilderness.

You aren't adequately prepared if you don't have some fear. It's unpredictable and can be harsh. There is a reason why humans eventually established cities and civilization, because the wilderness is harsh and -- here's a shock -- WILD. Bears, for example. You are a fool if you don't have a healthy fear of bears. Does that mean you should be paranoid about bears when you go hiking? No. But it does mean that if you are in an area where there are bears, you should have a healthy enough fear of them and recognition that even despite all of your best efforts and the recommended things to do, you could still run into a problem with a bear.

Fear isn't a bad thing. It exists for a reason. Animals who live in the wilderness use it to survive. Panic is the bad thing. Panic is what you want to avoid. Fear can be healthy, especially in nature.

But aside from that, if you really want to prepare your child, you should teach him/her that even with all of the things you are teaching him, don't be over confidant. I love nature. I love being outside. But the first and biggest lesson anyone should learn about nature is to be humbled by it.

Our ancestors knew that. We've forgotten.


You're arguing about definitions. My "respect" = your "fear, but not panic." "Confident" does not equal "overconfident." My husband, who learned his wilderness survival skills in Ranger School, and I, have backpacked in very remote areas (including the area this lady got lost in) for over 30 years. We are teaching the lessons we've acquired over these years to our children. I certainly do hope that my children have confidence that they can prepare for, and overcome, any of the inevitable adversities that they will encounter in the wilderness. Will we have thought of everything? Absolutely not. However, I do think the "confidence" that they'll develop will allow them to "Stop, and think" and work through whatever situation presents itself.
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This thread is so incredibly insensitive. I hope none of her family members come across it.
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Anonymous wrote:This woman died because she was a moron who lacked basic survival skills.
and yet she manages to survive almost a month alone in the back country...like to see you do that so we can all call you a moron.


And, she was a person. Imagine, PP, if your mother did something like this, or died in a way others feel is "moronic"...would you want internet people calling her a moron? Have some empathy a heart, something that resembles humanity.


+1.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so incredibly insensitive. I hope none of her family members come across it.


x 1,000,000,000,000
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So sad, but she had challenges which meant she had no business being out by herself on the A.T.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so incredibly insensitive. I hope none of her family members come across it.


Only a few comments are truly insensitive. Most just reiterate the plain truth which was that she had no business being out there alone. Got lost, manages for 28 days to somehow not find a trail or humanity on the most populated trail in America, didn't have basic necessities for hiking and survival. I'm sure her family realizes this in hindsight as well.
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Yesterday's NYT had a more complete story about the woman. She sounded like a very difficult person who did not have the skills or stamina to hike the trail. Her husband met her and her hiking partner at the end if each day to set up cap or take them to lodgings. The hiking companion had to leave for a family emergency and said the woman had little sense of direction, was afraid of the dark, and had argued with her about her lack of hiking skills.

It is very sad but I think the husband should have warned rangers that she was alone on the trail and not prepared for the hike.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so incredibly insensitive. I hope none of her family members come across it.


Only a few comments are truly insensitive. Most just reiterate the plain truth which was that she had no business being out there alone. Got lost, manages for 28 days to somehow not find a trail or humanity on the most populated trail in America, didn't have basic necessities for hiking and survival. I'm sure her family realizes this in hindsight as well.


This is a sad, but honest, lessons-learned scenario for anyone who engages in these kinds of recreational activities. Maybe if people were more honest about how bravado can screw you over, fewer tragedies would happen across all areas of human endeavor.
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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday's NYT had a more complete story about the woman. She sounded like a very difficult person who did not have the skills or stamina to hike the trail. Her husband met her and her hiking partner at the end if each day to set up cap or take them to lodgings. The hiking companion had to leave for a family emergency and said the woman had little sense of direction, was afraid of the dark, and had argued with her about her lack of hiking skills.

It is very sad but I think the husband should have warned rangers that she was alone on the trail and not prepared for the hike.


From your description of the article, it does seem to have painted her as a difficult person.
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Anonymous wrote:Need another reason not to hike alone?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/06/01/authorities-confirm-hiker-tied-tree-sexually-assaulted/85266230/


Why did she have a service dog I wonder?

A description of the woman being tied to a tree came from emergency radio traffic. Firefighters discovered the hiker, along with her service dog, and carried her out. The unidentified woman was treated and released at Mission Hospital that same evening.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so incredibly insensitive. I hope none of her family members come across it.


x 1,000,000,000,000


I don't think the thread itself is insensitive.

Only some of the responders have made a few insensitive comments. That's true.

You should not generalize you know.
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