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Maybe babies don't spend all their time in bouncers and swings. However, if you check all your baby staff, most of it has tags that states that the product confirms to California flammability law 117. That, most often than not, implies that the product was treated with fire retardant chemicals. Mattresses, bouncers, swings, playards, baby gyms, car seats, some baby carriers, even nursing pillows have these tags these days. So at the end of the day, whatever baby touches does contain chemical fire retardants. Because of the lower body mass and thinner, more absorbent skin, babies are much more vulnerable than adults, and, yet, they are the ones exposed the most. No, I'm just curious, have anybody heard of somebody catching on fire while pushing a stroller down the street? Why strollers need to be fire retardant by law? It seems so illogical. Oh, it's been found that sometimes up 12% of a baby product is fire retardants. Average sofa may contain 5 pounds of such chemicals or more. These chemicals are not bond to material and tend to escape into the air or skin. Actually, my son's nanny used to be an engineer in her home country and participated in resin materials studies. Basically she dealt with fireproofing materials. She told me that a huge amount of fire retardant chemicals needs to be used to increase material's fire resistance just slightly. Just out of curiosity, I contacted a couple of companies regarding this issue. All they said was, yes their products are fire resistant, but they cannot say which chemicals were used... They are not required by law to disclose what chemicals they use to meet this California flammability laws. Unfortunately, if we live in a different state it doesn't that we are safe. Manufacturers tend to go by the state with strictest laws when they make a product. They don't want to lose huge market in California, and they don't want to bother making different products for different states. At the end, all US babies and people get polluted with fire retardants because of California laws. Here is another tidbit on FRs. Quite a few years ago fire retardant called Tris was banned from children sleepwear, because it was proven that chemical changes DNA. Lately, this chemical has been used heavily in furniture due to tightened, in the last years, California laws. There is an interesting detail about US policy about chemicals, by the way. In Europe, manufacturers have to prove that chemical is relatively safe for consumer before adding it to consumer products. In US, manufacturers do not face such a requirement. EPA and consumers themselves have to prove that the chemical is harmful. It seems a bit backwards. How many people have to suffer serious illness before enough data can be gathered to ban the chemical? That doesn't sound right. I mean, really, if anyone digs any deeper than normal life requires, it's easy to see how one can get overwhelmed at first with some unpleasant facts. Somebody said it reminds germ paranoia. I wouldn't put germs and chemicals in one basket, honestly. It's two very different things. No studies came out yet to say that lead is actually good for our health... And even germs are created equally. Nobody wants to get resistant to antibiotics E-Coli or salmonella. Nobody wants to get German measles either, and that's why we get vaccinated. Bottom line, there are lot of issues in the world, environment, poverty; the list is endless. Each of us chooses what to care about or not to care at all, which is fine too. I think it's good when people are passionate about something, since it's passionate people who make a change in this world (though, do admit not all passions are good ones or expressed in a healthy way). It's probably not right to shut people down just because we don't like their level of involvement with something. Yes, there are some over the top cases, but usually it's hard to judge something like that from only one post. Besides, the person maybe coming from the point of greater knowledge about an issue than us. Finally, we do need to keep improving, and making positive changes when it's possible, that's how progress happens. Balance is a good thing too, as well as being patient with other people's opinions. I prefer the "live and learn" attitude to life. |
| OP I'm not dismissing your concerns, but do yourself a favor and don't throw out all that junky unnecessary plastic stuff just yet. When you haven't slept in days and you finally find the one particular seat or swing that will enable you to put the baby down without freaking out, you will thank the lord above for Fisher Price. Seriously. |
whoever keeps posting this stuff needs help! I say that because: 1. This person is in denial about chemicals and flame retardants 2. This person keeps going off topic and saying we are concerned about germs, substandard car seats, camping, school when those things have not been mentioned ONCE. WE are talking about chemicals, but this person keeps going on tangents about other things they perceive as dangerous, I guess. 3. They seem to feel guilty about their own parenting techniques 4. This person is really just mean! The PP never said anything about not wanting to send their kids to school or camping, not sure where you came up with those things! No one said anything about germs either. The OP stated very clearly she was concerned about CHEMICALS. Not sure why you have to go on tangents about other perceived dangers that I guess you are assuming we are worried about even though they were NEVER mentioned. Also, if you read this thread, you are totally blind if you don't believe their are chemicals we all need to be aware of and concerned about. The people on this thread are trying to be advocates for their children and not sure why you are so biligerent about that. You are the one who needs mental help. |
| germs and chemicals are 2 totally different things!! |
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I am the OP and I am happy to see that others are aware of the flame retardant issue along with other chemicals in baby gear. I have a question -- how do you know if baby PJs or clothes have been treated with a flame retardant? I have tons of footies and onesies that are 100% cotton. But they don't say anything about flame retardants -- are all clothes treated with it unless they are organic?
To go along with other other posters, I too have bought a 100% solid wood crib to avoid the chemicals in pressed woods and particle board. I buy all organic sheets and bought a 100% organic cotton stuffed bumper from Land of Nod. The clothes I have are not all organic b/c they are hand me downs, but if I buy new stuff, I try to buy organic and always 100% cotton. Some of the baby blankets I have are organic. I have organic mattresses from Naturepedic in both my bassinet and moses basket. Naturepedic will custom make matresses for you for under $100. I bought a baby bjorn organic bouncey seat and 2 organic changing pads. I do have a MacClaren stroller that I am going to investigate to see if it has chemicals. My car seat is a hand me down Graco and I am sure it's filled with chemicals, but there is no such thing as an organic car seat. I bought really old furniture for the baby room (except crib) from craigslist to that the formaldehyde would be aired out. I do have a fisher price swing, but when I spoke to them they told me that it is NOT treated with flame retardants even though it meets the California flame retardant law. Apparently not all products that meet that criteria are treated with flame retardants. You have to call each company and ask. Kids II also told me they do not treat their products with flame retardants. I have a bouncey seat of their. It does not have the California flame retardant label on it, so I believe them. I also buy pacifiers made in the USA or Europe. I try to avoid things made in China, although that's impossible b/c even organic clothes are often made there. |
| I have a Maclaren stroller and I just called their US headquarters in CT and they told me something I was not expecting. They said that MacLaren strollers and products sold in the US DO NOT have flame retardants or ANY chemicals, but products sold in the UK and EUrope DO have flame retardants. Strange! I thought it would be the other way around. Hope the lady gave me accurate info! |
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I don't think you are crazy at all! The chemicals they are using in the items you mentioned are the same toxic chemicals that were banned from children's clothing in the 1970's due to its toxicity. Here are some recommendations: Buy these on craigslist to save money
1. Baby bjorn travel crin (instead of a pack and play...al pack and plays are treated0 2. Baby bjorn bouncer (they have organic but their regular are not treated) 3. Swings are tough...I am looking into the Summer Infant natural one as I heard it is not treated but doubt that is the case 4. G Diapers hybrid diapers. They have a disposable insert and a cloth outside. They are biodegradable and no chlorine. Or use Earth's Best but these aren't great. The ones you have do have chlorine. Seventh generation actually DYES THEIR DIAPERS BROWN to give the appearance of more eco-friendly....I find it misleading and wrong. 5. The high chair just avoid the plastic ones with the padding. Buy a used wood one 6. Splurge on the organic cotton covered WOOL nursing pillow! The baby will spend TONS of time on this! Do not be fooled by "organic" by Sealy, Boppy, etc...they are organic cotton covers coated in flame retardant Hope this helps! 5. We have a lost of all the other recommended items on our site http://www.organicbabyuniversity.com |
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Also get a good vaccum cleaner with a HEPA filter and vacuum often as these chemicals accumulate in dust. And dust often. OPen you windows when you can...hope this helps! I am on the hunt for a glider that isn't toxic and will let you know what I find!
I know some people say don't worry about it but I think if you are able to reduce the toxic load on your children good for you! It can be more time consuming but with some sleuthing on the internet you can find some good deals and protect your baby without spending a fortune (EXCEPT FOR THE CRIB MATTRESS! THIS IS A MUST) do not be fooled by Sealy "organic" it is coated in Boric acid and covered in vinyl |
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Also most strollers are treated like Peg Perego. Bob is not but they are expensive. ALL infant carriers are treated but some are better than others. You can follow that research on my blog as my baby #2 is on the way and I am on the hunt for the safest one
And the treatments do NOT wash out FYI You can buy used furniture, just make sure it is real wood and not particle board or MDF. We bought Million Dollar Baby as it was cheap and real pine. THe drawers were MDF on the bottom so we sealed them with Shellac Lot's of companies like Fisher Price will give you incorrect info when asked. They are required by california law to meet certain standards. (Tech 117) so large companies comply with all of their products since they are not going to make different products for CA. If it has Polyurethane then you can be rest assured it is COATED in flame retardant regardless of what the company says. I have learned in my business if you contact these companies 10 times you will get 10 different answers depending on how you ask the question |
| Also you can email me at the website and I will give you the name of a company that sells organic cotton and wool items (mattresses, nursing pillows, etc) with big discounts due to small irregularities |
| OP, I don't see how you are so worried about flame retardants but find nothing wrong with using a used car seat. |
Oh no, this person again! I am not sure what's wrong with a used car seat --- again, you are getting off topic to mention other things you seem to think are dangerous adn insinuating that people concerned about flame retardants are worried about school, camping, germs, and used carseats. |
Do you all think Naturepedic is a good brand for organic mattresses? |
I did talk to 2 different ppl at Fisher price and they assured me that there are no flame retardants on the Snug-A-Bunny and Little-Lamb swing. Kids II brand who makes Boppy bouncy seats also assured me there are no flame retardants. But, who knows!!?? I use all organic items except the Little Lamb Swing. |