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Anonymous
This doesn't explain gay children. Before they know what sex feels like, they know they are physically attracted to the same sex. Are there adults that choose to be openminded regarding sexual orientation and partners - yes. True homosexuals do not choose to be gay, it's who they are. I didn't chose to be staight, nor was I raised to to be hetrosexual. I just am. |
Anonymous
we shall see, I don't think the science is settled. it will be in time. in any event, no black or asian or white person "experiments" by being a different race, and a man doesn't experiment with being a woman - which is why I find comparisons to civil and womens rights movements to be off base. |
Anonymous
What about the men that are married with kids, and then they get divorced because they are gay. I have a few gay friends that have kids from their previous marriage, when they "tried" to be straight? (And FWIW, I'm not being snarky or rude, I'm genuienly curious to hear your thoughts.) |
Anonymous
My 'boycotts are for pansies' sarcasm? It was meant to be funny. I criticize the Boy Scouts openly and will not give the organization any support while they have those policies. |
Anonymous
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Actually, I was thinking of your post from about two pages back: "I suggest you 1) read a newspaper once in a while and 2) take some time to investigate the organizations you involve your child in before you enroll."
I disagree with the conservative poster, but your post made me cringe. It's so counter-productive to make random insinuations about the PP's unknowable newspaper-reading and child-raising habits. |
Anonymous
| I don't get why people...liberals....refuse to tolerate a group they claim doesn't tolerate others. You are doing the very thing your claim to be protesting. Makes no sense. |
Anonymous
Because it can't be true until the science is settled? Trust me, if you think it might feel equally good to be with a man as with a woman, that just means you're one of the people who is bisexual. Those who are gay or straight can't make it "feel good" to be with the other sex (except maybe by closing their eyes and pretending). Science doesn't have to prove that for it to be true. |
Anonymous
| The Boy Scouts have booted members and leaders they discovered were gay. How do you propose to create change from within? |
Anonymous
Seriously? The only way change will happen is when the Boy Scouts try to boot another gay man out, and the parents in his troop protest to the highest levels. Change won't happen just because you're insulting people on DCUM and withholding your $100 or whatever it is these days (it's been a few years since DC did girl scouts). |
Anonymous
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We're a liberal household and our oldest partiicpates in Cub Scouts. I don't care if you call me hypocritical. Two of my three kids are special needs and Scouts are incredibly organized, do tons of fun things, is a confidence builder for DS and they meet within walking distance of our house. It gives my DH and DS some much needed positive time together at minimal financial and emotional cost. If there were a similar non-discriminatory organization that met our needs, we'd join it. But, there's not. Although I wish they were officially welcoming, I don't feel compelled to boycott them. I feel the same way about the Catholic Church. DH's views on homosexuality, abortion, birth control and women are in direct conflict with the Catholic Church but he still considers himself Catholic and attends mass. I'm Unitarian. We're exposing our kids to a lot of things and they can decide for themselves when they grow up.
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Anonymous
That wasn't me, nor am I the one who called their policies "bigoted". |
Anonymous
Not at all. I tolerate them. I just don't choose to support them. Big difference. |
Anonymous
Yeah, that'll happen. Just ask James Dale! |
Anonymous
People have tried for at least 20 years to change it from within. The Boy Scouts of America went all the way to the Supreme Court to defend their right to continue to meet in public locations (supported by public taxes) and yet discriminate against homosexuals by not allowing them to be members if they are open about the fact that they are homosexual. "Open" means not bringing it up to anyone at a meeting, but being known in the community as being a mom in a same sex partnership. Telling a Boy Sout employee, "Just so you know, Mary and I are parnters. Jimmy has "two moms" means being open about it and is enough to get you booted as an adult volunteer. People have protested, filed lawsuits -- exactly what else do you think people can do to change from within? The BSA is almost completely made up of conservatives and members of the religious right so getting more tolerant people elected to the leadership is almost impossible. The BSA is the way it is and they have no intentino of changing. Until they do, I don't see how anyone can be a member. |
Anonymous
They've already protested "to the highest levels". http://articles.cnn.com/2000-06-28/justice/scotus.gay.boyscouts_1_boy-scouts-gay-troop-scout-law?_s=PM:LAW The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the Boy Scouts of America can bar homosexuals from being troop leaders. The justices by a 5-4 vote overturned a New Jersey Supreme Court ruling that the dismissal of a gay Scout leader had been illegal under the state's anti-discrimination law. The Boy Scouts, which also exclude atheists and agnostics as leaders, said it has the right to decide who can join its ranks. Forcing it to accept gays would violate its constitutional right of freedom of association and free speech under the First Amendment, it said. Chief Justice William Rehnquist agreed. He said for the court majority that applying a state public accommodations law to require the Boy Scouts to admit a gay troop leader violates the group's constitutional right of expressive association. He added, however, "We are not, as we must not be, guided by our views of whether the Boy Scouts' teaching with respect to homosexual conduct are right or wrong." Rehnquist's opinion was joined by Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. Dissenting were Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer. The case was brought by James Dale, who wanted to become an adult leader of the local Boy Scouts after distinguishing himself as a member. He was admitted to Order of the Arrow honor camping society and earned the Eagle Scout badge, Scouting's highest honor and one that only 3 percent of Scouts receive. When he was fired as assistant Scout master of the Matawan, New Jersey, troop in 1990, Dale was 20. Now 29, he sued the Boy Scouts in 1992 after the Boy Scouts of America rejected his application for the adult leadership position and subsequently fired him. The Boy Scouts told him in writing that homosexuality was contrary to the organization's values. The Scout oath requires members to be "morally straight." The organization "takes the position that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the Scout oath ... and contrary to the Scout Law to be 'clean' in word and deed," according to Thomas E. Baker, a constitutional scholar at the Drake University Law School in Des Moines, Iowa, who wrote an impartial analysis of the case for the American Bar Association. |