FCPS' plans to address concerns at under-enrolled and over-enrolled schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls Elementary School enrollment is down as well patents are opting for private schools

Is it that or is it that millennial parents with elementary age kids don’t want to live in Great Falls? It’s a little more isolated than many areas of the county and that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

Agree, most people with young children don't find aging mcmansions out in the middle of nowhere appealing.

It's great to be handy and/or have the money for contractors. Contractors STAY busy around here. It's also lovely to live in a part of the county with lots of open space for the kids, a central community gathering location and abundant plant and wildlife.

The great thing about this county is that you can live stacked on top of people if you like that or step out into your back yard and see nothing but trees and foxes if that's your thing.

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Our family, and especially our kids, prefer the latter.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't matter if Lewis was AP or IB. Switch to AP, and parents will pupil place to an IB school -- probably Edison. Keep it IB, and parents will switch to the closest AP school -- probably Hayfield.

It doesn't matter.

And I don't think stopping transfers is enough to really make a different in the Lewis population size.

In the meantime, Lewis borders two schools that are over capacity (WSHS and Edison). The very simply solution would be to re-do boundaries for more equal student population sizes.

And no one wants to move to Lewis. Did you watch the recent boundary meeting? No one wants to move to the school with a small cohort of college bound kids and the larger social issues that come with a high FARMs population. Call it what you will, people don't wnat to go there. Parents will fight it tooth and nail.

They could make Lewis and Mt Vernon into VoTech schools/ESOL schools that would provide career training and language training that would be helpful to the studetns at those schools. A strong VoTech school would probably draw in kids who are not interested in college, especially if they are able to earn certifications that would help them when they finish HS. They would still have the traditional HS classes, they could even offer AP classes but their would be a better set of electives and classes that meet the needs of a population that is currently attending the school.

So concentrating poor and high-ESL kids at Lewis and some other FCPS high schools makes them no-go zones for many people? That seems to be what people express on this site (without specifically saying why). Can you see why people might want the border diligently locked down? Just one reason of many.

DP. Just pointing out that there is a big difference between poor students being concentrated in particular areas versus FCPS concentrating them in a particular area. The latter implies a segregation intent, which doesn’t exist in modern day Fairfax. The school system does not go about trying to move poor students into schools together.

They may not do that but they concentrate poverty by moving kids from higher income neighborhoods into wealthier schools. Repeatedly. The effect is the same.

I disagree with the premise. See, e.g., the McLean island moving to Langley. That’s the opposite of what you just claimed. And see they didn’t move timberlane island out of McLean because it would’ve reduced economic diversity at McLean. Two examples from the boundary review from January, yet people still baselessly gripe that the school board is trying to stick it to the poor.

Daventry from Lewis to West Springfield.

Wakefield Forest from Annandale to Woodson.

Colvin Run island from McLean to Langley.

Wolftrap from Marshall to Madison.

Etc.

Lots more examples of them concentrating poverty than trying to accomplish the opposite.

I count one of your examples in support - just daventry. The other moves are between equal caliber schools. You think the school board is concentrating poverty at McLean? Be serious.

You aren’t living on the same planet as everyone else if you don’t know Woodson is wealthier than Annandale, Langley is wealthier than McLean, and Madison is wealthier than Marshall.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls Elementary School enrollment is down as well patents are opting for private schools

Is it that or is it that millennial parents with elementary age kids don’t want to live in Great Falls? It’s a little more isolated than many areas of the county and that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

Agree, most people with young children don't find aging mcmansions out in the middle of nowhere appealing.

It's great to be handy and/or have the money for contractors. Contractors STAY busy around here. It's also lovely to live in a part of the county with lots of open space for the kids, a central community gathering location and abundant plant and wildlife.

The great thing about this county is that you can live stacked on top of people if you like that or step out into your back yard and see nothing but trees and foxes if that's your thing.

This may be true but if you’re talking about Great Falls they’ve had to shore up Langley’s enrollment by reassigning kids there repeatedly, first from Herndon and then from McLean.

If Langley had the same boundaries it had in the early 90s it would probably have an enrollment somewhere between Lewis and Mount Vernon.

Well, either a worsening economy forces families back into public (ALOT of GF and I'll bet McLean sends their children to private) or the accelerating decline in enrollment will cause the school board to reboundary a part of GF closest to Herndon to that pyramid. A percent of GF parents still in FCPS will switch to private, some will go to Herndon pyramid elementary, middle and high.

In that scenario Great Falls elementary will close for lack of enrollment and then some entity will buy it and re-open it as a private K-5 school.

All that would take another decade or so.

Let’s check back in a decade and see if you’re right. I won’t hold my breath.

Until then, you might want to shore up your theories with a lot more logic rather than your wants and desires. It’s a pretty weak analysis all around.

I would rather the economy improve and folks stay in their private schools of choice.

The second scenario is my preferred outcome. Do you know how many people in GF would LOVE a high quality, full-sized private elementary right here in the neighborhood?

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls Elementary School enrollment is down as well patents are opting for private schools

Is it that or is it that millennial parents with elementary age kids don’t want to live in Great Falls? It’s a little more isolated than many areas of the county and that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

Agree, most people with young children don't find aging mcmansions out in the middle of nowhere appealing.

It's great to be handy and/or have the money for contractors. Contractors STAY busy around here. It's also lovely to live in a part of the county with lots of open space for the kids, a central community gathering location and abundant plant and wildlife.

The great thing about this county is that you can live stacked on top of people if you like that or step out into your back yard and see nothing but trees and foxes if that's your thing.

This may be true but if you’re talking about Great Falls they’ve had to shore up Langley’s enrollment by reassigning kids there repeatedly, first from Herndon and then from McLean.

If Langley had the same boundaries it had in the early 90s it would probably have an enrollment somewhere between Lewis and Mount Vernon.

Well, either a worsening economy forces families back into public (ALOT of GF and I'll bet McLean sends their children to private) or the accelerating decline in enrollment will cause the school board to reboundary a part of GF closest to Herndon to that pyramid. A percent of GF parents still in FCPS will switch to private, some will go to Herndon pyramid elementary, middle and high.

In that scenario Great Falls elementary will close for lack of enrollment and then some entity will buy it and re-open it as a private K-5 school.

All that would take another decade or so.

Let’s check back in a decade and see if you’re right. I won’t hold my breath.

Until then, you might want to shore up your theories with a lot more logic rather than your wants and desires. It’s a pretty weak analysis all around.

I would rather the economy improve and folks stay in their private schools of choice.

The second scenario is my preferred outcome. Do you know how many people in GF would LOVE a high quality, full-sized private elementary right here in the neighborhood?

Really? I would guess only a handful because it takes awhile for a private school to get the name recognition GF families would want for a private school. And then there would be the inevitable fight over what kind of curriculum the school would have (Waldorf, progressive, nature focused, traditional etc). Most private schools have a niche and no school would be able to deliver immediate name recognition and all the programs GF parents want.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls Elementary School enrollment is down as well patents are opting for private schools

Is it that or is it that millennial parents with elementary age kids don’t want to live in Great Falls? It’s a little more isolated than many areas of the county and that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

Agree, most people with young children don't find aging mcmansions out in the middle of nowhere appealing.

It's great to be handy and/or have the money for contractors. Contractors STAY busy around here. It's also lovely to live in a part of the county with lots of open space for the kids, a central community gathering location and abundant plant and wildlife.

The great thing about this county is that you can live stacked on top of people if you like that or step out into your back yard and see nothing but trees and foxes if that's your thing.

This may be true but if you’re talking about Great Falls they’ve had to shore up Langley’s enrollment by reassigning kids there repeatedly, first from Herndon and then from McLean.

If Langley had the same boundaries it had in the early 90s it would probably have an enrollment somewhere between Lewis and Mount Vernon.

What were the boundaries like.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls Elementary School enrollment is down as well patents are opting for private schools

Is it that or is it that millennial parents with elementary age kids don’t want to live in Great Falls? It’s a little more isolated than many areas of the county and that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

Agree, most people with young children don't find aging mcmansions out in the middle of nowhere appealing.

It's great to be handy and/or have the money for contractors. Contractors STAY busy around here. It's also lovely to live in a part of the county with lots of open space for the kids, a central community gathering location and abundant plant and wildlife.

The great thing about this county is that you can live stacked on top of people if you like that or step out into your back yard and see nothing but trees and foxes if that's your thing.

This may be true but if you’re talking about Great Falls they’ve had to shore up Langley’s enrollment by reassigning kids there repeatedly, first from Herndon and then from McLean.

If Langley had the same boundaries it had in the early 90s it would probably have an enrollment somewhere between Lewis and Mount Vernon.

Well, either a worsening economy forces families back into public (ALOT of GF and I'll bet McLean sends their children to private) or the accelerating decline in enrollment will cause the school board to reboundary a part of GF closest to Herndon to that pyramid. A percent of GF parents still in FCPS will switch to private, some will go to Herndon pyramid elementary, middle and high.

In that scenario Great Falls elementary will close for lack of enrollment and then some entity will buy it and re-open it as a private K-5 school.

All that would take another decade or so.

Let’s check back in a decade and see if you’re right. I won’t hold my breath.

Until then, you might want to shore up your theories with a lot more logic rather than your wants and desires. It’s a pretty weak analysis all around.

I would rather the economy improve and folks stay in their private schools of choice.

The second scenario is my preferred outcome. Do you know how many people in GF would LOVE a high quality, full-sized private elementary right here in the neighborhood?

Really? I would guess only a handful because it takes awhile for a private school to get the name recognition GF families would want for a private school. And then there would be the inevitable fight over what kind of curriculum the school would have (Waldorf, progressive, nature focused, traditional etc). Most private schools have a niche and no school would be able to deliver immediate name recognition and all the programs GF parents want.

Yes, really.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls Elementary School enrollment is down as well patents are opting for private schools

Is it that or is it that millennial parents with elementary age kids don’t want to live in Great Falls? It’s a little more isolated than many areas of the county and that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

Agree, most people with young children don't find aging mcmansions out in the middle of nowhere appealing.

It's great to be handy and/or have the money for contractors. Contractors STAY busy around here. It's also lovely to live in a part of the county with lots of open space for the kids, a central community gathering location and abundant plant and wildlife.

The great thing about this county is that you can live stacked on top of people if you like that or step out into your back yard and see nothing but trees and foxes if that's your thing.

This may be true but if you’re talking about Great Falls they’ve had to shore up Langley’s enrollment by reassigning kids there repeatedly, first from Herndon and then from McLean.

If Langley had the same boundaries it had in the early 90s it would probably have an enrollment somewhere between Lewis and Mount Vernon.

Well, either a worsening economy forces families back into public (ALOT of GF and I'll bet McLean sends their children to private) or the accelerating decline in enrollment will cause the school board to reboundary a part of GF closest to Herndon to that pyramid. A percent of GF parents still in FCPS will switch to private, some will go to Herndon pyramid elementary, middle and high.

In that scenario Great Falls elementary will close for lack of enrollment and then some entity will buy it and re-open it as a private K-5 school.

All that would take another decade or so.

Let’s check back in a decade and see if you’re right. I won’t hold my breath.

Until then, you might want to shore up your theories with a lot more logic rather than your wants and desires. It’s a pretty weak analysis all around.

I would rather the economy improve and folks stay in their private schools of choice.

The second scenario is my preferred outcome. Do you know how many people in GF would LOVE a high quality, full-sized private elementary right here in the neighborhood?

Really? I would guess only a handful because it takes awhile for a private school to get the name recognition GF families would want for a private school. And then there would be the inevitable fight over what kind of curriculum the school would have (Waldorf, progressive, nature focused, traditional etc). Most private schools have a niche and no school would be able to deliver immediate name recognition and all the programs GF parents want.

Yes, really.

DP. A handful is probably right. Note that the pp doesn’t even claim that she lives in GF. She’s just offering up her opinion. Take it for what is worth.

While I’ve heard that some people have issues/concerns with gfes, that’s a far cry from wanting that school converted to a private school. And a lot needs to be done for a private school to become a high caliber private. Mostly, gf families just want to stay with our chosen community. We are a tight knit town.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't matter if Lewis was AP or IB. Switch to AP, and parents will pupil place to an IB school -- probably Edison. Keep it IB, and parents will switch to the closest AP school -- probably Hayfield.

It doesn't matter.

And I don't think stopping transfers is enough to really make a different in the Lewis population size.

In the meantime, Lewis borders two schools that are over capacity (WSHS and Edison). The very simply solution would be to re-do boundaries for more equal student population sizes.

And no one wants to move to Lewis. Did you watch the recent boundary meeting? No one wants to move to the school with a small cohort of college bound kids and the larger social issues that come with a high FARMs population. Call it what you will, people don't wnat to go there. Parents will fight it tooth and nail.

They could make Lewis and Mt Vernon into VoTech schools/ESOL schools that would provide career training and language training that would be helpful to the studetns at those schools. A strong VoTech school would probably draw in kids who are not interested in college, especially if they are able to earn certifications that would help them when they finish HS. They would still have the traditional HS classes, they could even offer AP classes but their would be a better set of electives and classes that meet the needs of a population that is currently attending the school.

So concentrating poor and high-ESL kids at Lewis and some other FCPS high schools makes them no-go zones for many people? That seems to be what people express on this site (without specifically saying why). Can you see why people might want the border diligently locked down? Just one reason of many.

Generational poverty is very real in the US. There are plenty of poor kids in FCPS who are citizens and plenty who are hear legally. The numbers don't drop that much if you can magically make all of the undocumented kids disappear.

Poverty is concentrated in those schools because those are the areas that you can more easily find less expensive living situations. MC and UMC families are not going to live in those properties so you will swap out one poor group for another poor group. And the societal issues that come from poverty don't change that much based on your legal status in the country.

The poverty in Springfield is certainly NOT generational poverty. Unless you count importing generations of poverty from overseas.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't matter if Lewis was AP or IB. Switch to AP, and parents will pupil place to an IB school -- probably Edison. Keep it IB, and parents will switch to the closest AP school -- probably Hayfield.

It doesn't matter.

And I don't think stopping transfers is enough to really make a different in the Lewis population size.

In the meantime, Lewis borders two schools that are over capacity (WSHS and Edison). The very simply solution would be to re-do boundaries for more equal student population sizes.

And no one wants to move to Lewis. Did you watch the recent boundary meeting? No one wants to move to the school with a small cohort of college bound kids and the larger social issues that come with a high FARMs population. Call it what you will, people don't wnat to go there. Parents will fight it tooth and nail.

They could make Lewis and Mt Vernon into VoTech schools/ESOL schools that would provide career training and language training that would be helpful to the studetns at those schools. A strong VoTech school would probably draw in kids who are not interested in college, especially if they are able to earn certifications that would help them when they finish HS. They would still have the traditional HS classes, they could even offer AP classes but their would be a better set of electives and classes that meet the needs of a population that is currently attending the school.

So concentrating poor and high-ESL kids at Lewis and some other FCPS high schools makes them no-go zones for many people? That seems to be what people express on this site (without specifically saying why). Can you see why people might want the border diligently locked down? Just one reason of many.

Generational poverty is very real in the US. There are plenty of poor kids in FCPS who are citizens and plenty who are hear legally. The numbers don't drop that much if you can magically make all of the undocumented kids disappear.

Poverty is concentrated in those schools because those are the areas that you can more easily find less expensive living situations. MC and UMC families are not going to live in those properties so you will swap out one poor group for another poor group. And the societal issues that come from poverty don't change that much based on your legal status in the country.

The poverty in Springfield is certainly NOT generational poverty. Unless you count importing generations of poverty from overseas.

Cannot speak for Springfield, but the same could be true of Herndon. Twenty or so years ago, it was not considered impoverished. In fact, I think it was rated higher than Chantilly.
The reason Great Falls was sent to Langley was because of overcrowding in Herndon.

You could take Fairfax county as a whole and see this. Thirty years ago, the schools did not have so many impoverished students. Ask yourself what changed? Clue: it is not the "generational poverty."

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't matter if Lewis was AP or IB. Switch to AP, and parents will pupil place to an IB school -- probably Edison. Keep it IB, and parents will switch to the closest AP school -- probably Hayfield.

It doesn't matter.

And I don't think stopping transfers is enough to really make a different in the Lewis population size.

In the meantime, Lewis borders two schools that are over capacity (WSHS and Edison). The very simply solution would be to re-do boundaries for more equal student population sizes.

And no one wants to move to Lewis. Did you watch the recent boundary meeting? No one wants to move to the school with a small cohort of college bound kids and the larger social issues that come with a high FARMs population. Call it what you will, people don't wnat to go there. Parents will fight it tooth and nail.

They could make Lewis and Mt Vernon into VoTech schools/ESOL schools that would provide career training and language training that would be helpful to the studetns at those schools. A strong VoTech school would probably draw in kids who are not interested in college, especially if they are able to earn certifications that would help them when they finish HS. They would still have the traditional HS classes, they could even offer AP classes but their would be a better set of electives and classes that meet the needs of a population that is currently attending the school.

So concentrating poor and high-ESL kids at Lewis and some other FCPS high schools makes them no-go zones for many people? That seems to be what people express on this site (without specifically saying why). Can you see why people might want the border diligently locked down? Just one reason of many.

Generational poverty is very real in the US. There are plenty of poor kids in FCPS who are citizens and plenty who are hear legally. The numbers don't drop that much if you can magically make all of the undocumented kids disappear.

Poverty is concentrated in those schools because those are the areas that you can more easily find less expensive living situations. MC and UMC families are not going to live in those properties so you will swap out one poor group for another poor group. And the societal issues that come from poverty don't change that much based on your legal status in the country.

The poverty in Springfield is certainly NOT generational poverty. Unless you count importing generations of poverty from overseas.

Cannot speak for Springfield, but the same could be true of Herndon. Twenty or so years ago, it was not considered impoverished. In fact, I think it was rated higher than Chantilly.
The reason Great Falls was sent to Langley was because of overcrowding in Herndon.

You could take Fairfax county as a whole and see this. Thirty years ago, the schools did not have so many impoverished students. Ask yourself what changed? Clue: it is not the "generational poverty."

They could have expanded Herndon in the 90s and kept western Great Falls there. The lines typically have been drawn and redrawn to concentrate wealth at Langley. That may change now that they are moving apartments and condos in Tysons there, which will likely bump part of Langley back to now-expanded Herndon in a few years.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't matter if Lewis was AP or IB. Switch to AP, and parents will pupil place to an IB school -- probably Edison. Keep it IB, and parents will switch to the closest AP school -- probably Hayfield.

It doesn't matter.

And I don't think stopping transfers is enough to really make a different in the Lewis population size.

In the meantime, Lewis borders two schools that are over capacity (WSHS and Edison). The very simply solution would be to re-do boundaries for more equal student population sizes.

And no one wants to move to Lewis. Did you watch the recent boundary meeting? No one wants to move to the school with a small cohort of college bound kids and the larger social issues that come with a high FARMs population. Call it what you will, people don't wnat to go there. Parents will fight it tooth and nail.

They could make Lewis and Mt Vernon into VoTech schools/ESOL schools that would provide career training and language training that would be helpful to the studetns at those schools. A strong VoTech school would probably draw in kids who are not interested in college, especially if they are able to earn certifications that would help them when they finish HS. They would still have the traditional HS classes, they could even offer AP classes but their would be a better set of electives and classes that meet the needs of a population that is currently attending the school.

So concentrating poor and high-ESL kids at Lewis and some other FCPS high schools makes them no-go zones for many people? That seems to be what people express on this site (without specifically saying why). Can you see why people might want the border diligently locked down? Just one reason of many.

Generational poverty is very real in the US. There are plenty of poor kids in FCPS who are citizens and plenty who are hear legally. The numbers don't drop that much if you can magically make all of the undocumented kids disappear.

Poverty is concentrated in those schools because those are the areas that you can more easily find less expensive living situations. MC and UMC families are not going to live in those properties so you will swap out one poor group for another poor group. And the societal issues that come from poverty don't change that much based on your legal status in the country.

The poverty in Springfield is certainly NOT generational poverty. Unless you count importing generations of poverty from overseas.

Cannot speak for Springfield, but the same could be true of Herndon. Twenty or so years ago, it was not considered impoverished. In fact, I think it was rated higher than Chantilly.
The reason Great Falls was sent to Langley was because of overcrowding in Herndon.

You could take Fairfax county as a whole and see this. Thirty years ago, the schools did not have so many impoverished students. Ask yourself what changed? Clue: it is not the "generational poverty."

They could have expanded Herndon in the 90s and kept western Great Falls there. The lines typically have been drawn and redrawn to concentrate wealth at Langley. That may change now that they are moving apartments and condos in Tysons there, which will likely bump part of Langley back to now-expanded Herndon in a few years.

Your desperation keeps showing when you repeat this talking point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't matter if Lewis was AP or IB. Switch to AP, and parents will pupil place to an IB school -- probably Edison. Keep it IB, and parents will switch to the closest AP school -- probably Hayfield.

It doesn't matter.

And I don't think stopping transfers is enough to really make a different in the Lewis population size.

In the meantime, Lewis borders two schools that are over capacity (WSHS and Edison). The very simply solution would be to re-do boundaries for more equal student population sizes.

And no one wants to move to Lewis. Did you watch the recent boundary meeting? No one wants to move to the school with a small cohort of college bound kids and the larger social issues that come with a high FARMs population. Call it what you will, people don't wnat to go there. Parents will fight it tooth and nail.

They could make Lewis and Mt Vernon into VoTech schools/ESOL schools that would provide career training and language training that would be helpful to the studetns at those schools. A strong VoTech school would probably draw in kids who are not interested in college, especially if they are able to earn certifications that would help them when they finish HS. They would still have the traditional HS classes, they could even offer AP classes but their would be a better set of electives and classes that meet the needs of a population that is currently attending the school.

So concentrating poor and high-ESL kids at Lewis and some other FCPS high schools makes them no-go zones for many people? That seems to be what people express on this site (without specifically saying why). Can you see why people might want the border diligently locked down? Just one reason of many.

Generational poverty is very real in the US. There are plenty of poor kids in FCPS who are citizens and plenty who are hear legally. The numbers don't drop that much if you can magically make all of the undocumented kids disappear.

Poverty is concentrated in those schools because those are the areas that you can more easily find less expensive living situations. MC and UMC families are not going to live in those properties so you will swap out one poor group for another poor group. And the societal issues that come from poverty don't change that much based on your legal status in the country.

The poverty in Springfield is certainly NOT generational poverty. Unless you count importing generations of poverty from overseas.

Cannot speak for Springfield, but the same could be true of Herndon. Twenty or so years ago, it was not considered impoverished. In fact, I think it was rated higher than Chantilly.
The reason Great Falls was sent to Langley was because of overcrowding in Herndon.

You could take Fairfax county as a whole and see this. Thirty years ago, the schools did not have so many impoverished students. Ask yourself what changed? Clue: it is not the "generational poverty."

They could have expanded Herndon in the 90s and kept western Great Falls there. The lines typically have been drawn and redrawn to concentrate wealth at Langley. That may change now that they are moving apartments and condos in Tysons there, which will likely bump part of Langley back to now-expanded Herndon in a few years.

Your desperation keeps showing when you repeat this talking point.

Seems more like your insecurity is rearing its head again.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't matter if Lewis was AP or IB. Switch to AP, and parents will pupil place to an IB school -- probably Edison. Keep it IB, and parents will switch to the closest AP school -- probably Hayfield.

It doesn't matter.

And I don't think stopping transfers is enough to really make a different in the Lewis population size.

In the meantime, Lewis borders two schools that are over capacity (WSHS and Edison). The very simply solution would be to re-do boundaries for more equal student population sizes.

And no one wants to move to Lewis. Did you watch the recent boundary meeting? No one wants to move to the school with a small cohort of college bound kids and the larger social issues that come with a high FARMs population. Call it what you will, people don't wnat to go there. Parents will fight it tooth and nail.

They could make Lewis and Mt Vernon into VoTech schools/ESOL schools that would provide career training and language training that would be helpful to the studetns at those schools. A strong VoTech school would probably draw in kids who are not interested in college, especially if they are able to earn certifications that would help them when they finish HS. They would still have the traditional HS classes, they could even offer AP classes but their would be a better set of electives and classes that meet the needs of a population that is currently attending the school.

So concentrating poor and high-ESL kids at Lewis and some other FCPS high schools makes them no-go zones for many people? That seems to be what people express on this site (without specifically saying why). Can you see why people might want the border diligently locked down? Just one reason of many.

Generational poverty is very real in the US. There are plenty of poor kids in FCPS who are citizens and plenty who are hear legally. The numbers don't drop that much if you can magically make all of the undocumented kids disappear.

Poverty is concentrated in those schools because those are the areas that you can more easily find less expensive living situations. MC and UMC families are not going to live in those properties so you will swap out one poor group for another poor group. And the societal issues that come from poverty don't change that much based on your legal status in the country.

The poverty in Springfield is certainly NOT generational poverty. Unless you count importing generations of poverty from overseas.

Cannot speak for Springfield, but the same could be true of Herndon. Twenty or so years ago, it was not considered impoverished. In fact, I think it was rated higher than Chantilly.
The reason Great Falls was sent to Langley was because of overcrowding in Herndon.

You could take Fairfax county as a whole and see this. Thirty years ago, the schools did not have so many impoverished students. Ask yourself what changed? Clue: it is not the "generational poverty."

They could have expanded Herndon in the 90s and kept western Great Falls there. The lines typically have been drawn and redrawn to concentrate wealth at Langley. That may change now that they are moving apartments and condos in Tysons there, which will likely bump part of Langley back to now-expanded Herndon in a few years.

Your desperation keeps showing when you repeat this talking point.

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It really is comical how this person continues to bring this up.

[Anonymous]

Does anybody have old studies saved to their computers from the time Langley had its enrollment beefed up, Westfield was built and opened, and from the all contentious 2008 study where South Lakes received several students from Westfield, Oakton, and Madison post renovation?

I would love to see what the maps looked like before today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody have old studies saved to their computers from the time Langley had its enrollment beefed up, Westfield was built and opened, and from the all contentious 2008 study where South Lakes received several students from Westfield, Oakton, and Madison post renovation?

I would love to see what the maps looked like before today.

No. Several computers ago for me. However, I'm pretty sure that Langley's boundary was untouched in the 2008 South Lakes redistricting. There was lots of talk on FFX Underground about how Janie Strauss protected them. Seems like I remember something about an adjustment in the Hunter Mill area, but I'm much further west and not real familiar with that. I remember the Wolf Trap people wanting to stay at Madison.

If anyone could retrieve FFX Underground from those days, there would be a wealth of information for you. SLPTA posted possibilities on their website. I think it included maps, but not sure. They took it down when it was outed on FFX Underground.