Any high MAP+M(290+), straight As, and strong stem honor/award kids did not get in PHS/Blair SMACS?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is a guarantee. Especially if the committee thinks the application is written by a striver mom, not the kid.

"290+" is a mid score, unless that "+" is doing a lot of work.

Or the committee thinks that the test score was lucky and not consistent with the rest of performance across other areas of evaluation.

It’s probably pretty rare to reject such students with strong stem awards and high MAP M. Outliers always exist but maybe with some reasons

There aren’t that many “strong STEM honors/awards” available to middle schoolers. So if the kids have them at that age, that’s more indicative of parental resources.

There are. Math Kangaroo, mathcount, mathleague, science bowl, AMC 8, Montgomery Blair math tournament, etc

These must be pay to play. Never heard of them.

They’re not exactly pay to play in that you need thousands to enter. But without some extra coaching (which could be $$), most kids wouldn’t be able to stand out. And Montgomery Blair math tournament and science bowl are team competitions. You’d need a cohort of fellow smart students. My kid’s MCPS MS doesn’t send kids to science bowl and it requires a faculty sponsor so it’s not like a team of kids can enter on their own.

They are pay to play. Many MCPS schools don't offer or support stem. There are plenty of schools with a cohort, but people like you like to pretend that these other kids aren't qualified. But, that's MCPS equity for you which is why they probably stopped using the term, but unleashing potential is a joke when they hold our kids back.

Free admission + free lunch isn't "pay to play"

https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/info/

Both schools my kids are at don't have math teams, so how exactly would they do that?

1. Click the link to the website.

2. Read the website.

3. Follow the instructions.

Maybe you didn't read the website, but it doesn't include information on how to enter if your kid isn't part of a math team.

If you are talking about mbmt (I'm not reading every reply in this thread so I might be wrong), read Rule #6 here: https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/rules/

You can register as an independent "organization". So parent can register a group of 5 kids, as long as they all come from the same middle school. Your kid, if loving math, can surely take the initiative. Also, if you have any questions, email the POC listed in the website. They are super kind and responsive in responding your questions.
Just for advertisement, this year we will also host mBIT, likely in early June. https://mbit.mbhs.edu/ . Any three kids (no binding to school/county/state) can form a team.

How is that not a team? Basically parents at underresourced MCPS schools need to take it upon themselves to guide their kid to source several kids, coach the team and get the kids there.

If you can’t see the difference between the level of resources that requires from kids and parents at schools that are already lacking in resources, that’s a shame.

What resources they give to middle schools? All school parents need to take it upon themselves and be the club coach. Teachers only sponsor the club and don’t coach.

At my kid's MS, the chair of the math department selects the kids and organizes the club. That involves some coaching as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is a guarantee. Especially if the committee thinks the application is written by a striver mom, not the kid.

"290+" is a mid score, unless that "+" is doing a lot of work.

Or the committee thinks that the test score was lucky and not consistent with the rest of performance across other areas of evaluation.

It’s probably pretty rare to reject such students with strong stem awards and high MAP M. Outliers always exist but maybe with some reasons

There aren’t that many “strong STEM honors/awards” available to middle schoolers. So if the kids have them at that age, that’s more indicative of parental resources.

There are. Math Kangaroo, mathcount, mathleague, science bowl, AMC 8, Montgomery Blair math tournament, etc

These must be pay to play. Never heard of them.

They’re not exactly pay to play in that you need thousands to enter. But without some extra coaching (which could be $$), most kids wouldn’t be able to stand out. And Montgomery Blair math tournament and science bowl are team competitions. You’d need a cohort of fellow smart students. My kid’s MCPS MS doesn’t send kids to science bowl and it requires a faculty sponsor so it’s not like a team of kids can enter on their own.

They are pay to play. Many MCPS schools don't offer or support stem. There are plenty of schools with a cohort, but people like you like to pretend that these other kids aren't qualified. But, that's MCPS equity for you which is why they probably stopped using the term, but unleashing potential is a joke when they hold our kids back.

Free admission + free lunch isn't "pay to play"

https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/info/

Both schools my kids are at don't have math teams, so how exactly would they do that?

1. Click the link to the website.

2. Read the website.

3. Follow the instructions.

Maybe you didn't read the website, but it doesn't include information on how to enter if your kid isn't part of a math team.

If you are talking about mbmt (I'm not reading every reply in this thread so I might be wrong), read Rule #6 here: https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/rules/

You can register as an independent "organization". So parent can register a group of 5 kids, as long as they all come from the same middle school. Your kid, if loving math, can surely take the initiative. Also, if you have any questions, email the POC listed in the website. They are super kind and responsive in responding your questions.
Just for advertisement, this year we will also host mBIT, likely in early June. https://mbit.mbhs.edu/ . Any three kids (no binding to school/county/state) can form a team.

How is that not a team? Basically parents at underresourced MCPS schools need to take it upon themselves to guide their kid to source several kids, coach the team and get the kids there.

If you can’t see the difference between the level of resources that requires from kids and parents at schools that are already lacking in resources, that’s a shame.

What resources they give to middle schools? All school parents need to take it upon themselves and be the club coach. Teachers only sponsor the club and don’t coach.

At my kid's MS, the chair of the math department selects the kids and organizes the club. That involves some coaching as well.

That’s very lucky then. Our math team and mathcount club are organized by parents and past club students (high schoolers).

From a W school cluster

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is a guarantee. Especially if the committee thinks the application is written by a striver mom, not the kid.

"290+" is a mid score, unless that "+" is doing a lot of work.

Or the committee thinks that the test score was lucky and not consistent with the rest of performance across other areas of evaluation.

It’s probably pretty rare to reject such students with strong stem awards and high MAP M. Outliers always exist but maybe with some reasons

There aren’t that many “strong STEM honors/awards” available to middle schoolers. So if the kids have them at that age, that’s more indicative of parental resources.

There are. Math Kangaroo, mathcount, mathleague, science bowl, AMC 8, Montgomery Blair math tournament, etc

These must be pay to play. Never heard of them.

They’re not exactly pay to play in that you need thousands to enter. But without some extra coaching (which could be $$), most kids wouldn’t be able to stand out. And Montgomery Blair math tournament and science bowl are team competitions. You’d need a cohort of fellow smart students. My kid’s MCPS MS doesn’t send kids to science bowl and it requires a faculty sponsor so it’s not like a team of kids can enter on their own.

They are pay to play. Many MCPS schools don't offer or support stem. There are plenty of schools with a cohort, but people like you like to pretend that these other kids aren't qualified. But, that's MCPS equity for you which is why they probably stopped using the term, but unleashing potential is a joke when they hold our kids back.

Free admission + free lunch isn't "pay to play"

https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/info/

Both schools my kids are at don't have math teams, so how exactly would they do that?

1. Click the link to the website.

2. Read the website.

3. Follow the instructions.

Maybe you didn't read the website, but it doesn't include information on how to enter if your kid isn't part of a math team.

If you are talking about mbmt (I'm not reading every reply in this thread so I might be wrong), read Rule #6 here: https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/rules/

You can register as an independent "organization". So parent can register a group of 5 kids, as long as they all come from the same middle school. Your kid, if loving math, can surely take the initiative. Also, if you have any questions, email the POC listed in the website. They are super kind and responsive in responding your questions.
Just for advertisement, this year we will also host mBIT, likely in early June. https://mbit.mbhs.edu/ . Any three kids (no binding to school/county/state) can form a team.

How is that not a team? Basically parents at underresourced MCPS schools need to take it upon themselves to guide their kid to source several kids, coach the team and get the kids there.

If you can’t see the difference between the level of resources that requires from kids and parents at schools that are already lacking in resources, that’s a shame.

What resources they give to middle schools? All school parents need to take it upon themselves and be the club coach. Teachers only sponsor the club and don’t coach.

For MSs except TPMS and RC, parents volunteering serves the major role for organizing club activities, including math and sports, etc. For some MSs, parents may be able to find alumni students to coach the kids. Even at TPMS, where the math club is solely organized by the magnet math teacher, she didn't teach concept specifically, and kids are supposed to learn from self-teaching, outside enrichment, and attending different math tournament (mostly online, free) to gain experience.

For coding, all I did was giving my DC my 10-yr old laptop (battery dead and extremely slow and loud) and he started to learn from free platforms like MIT scratch coding, and later on through watching youtube videos and doing daily challenges on leetcode, codeforce, usaco and numerous online competitions that I give up on tracking several years ago. If there's an interest, there is endless self-drive to advance deeper in a specific subject, and you really don't need an adult to find opportunities for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is a guarantee. Especially if the committee thinks the application is written by a striver mom, not the kid.

"290+" is a mid score, unless that "+" is doing a lot of work.

Or the committee thinks that the test score was lucky and not consistent with the rest of performance across other areas of evaluation.

It’s probably pretty rare to reject such students with strong stem awards and high MAP M. Outliers always exist but maybe with some reasons

There aren’t that many “strong STEM honors/awards” available to middle schoolers. So if the kids have them at that age, that’s more indicative of parental resources.

There are. Math Kangaroo, mathcount, mathleague, science bowl, AMC 8, Montgomery Blair math tournament, etc

These must be pay to play. Never heard of them.

They’re not exactly pay to play in that you need thousands to enter. But without some extra coaching (which could be $$), most kids wouldn’t be able to stand out. And Montgomery Blair math tournament and science bowl are team competitions. You’d need a cohort of fellow smart students. My kid’s MCPS MS doesn’t send kids to science bowl and it requires a faculty sponsor so it’s not like a team of kids can enter on their own.

They are pay to play. Many MCPS schools don't offer or support stem. There are plenty of schools with a cohort, but people like you like to pretend that these other kids aren't qualified. But, that's MCPS equity for you which is why they probably stopped using the term, but unleashing potential is a joke when they hold our kids back.

Free admission + free lunch isn't "pay to play"

https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/info/

Both schools my kids are at don't have math teams, so how exactly would they do that?

1. Click the link to the website.

2. Read the website.

3. Follow the instructions.

Maybe you didn't read the website, but it doesn't include information on how to enter if your kid isn't part of a math team.

If you are talking about mbmt (I'm not reading every reply in this thread so I might be wrong), read Rule #6 here: https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/rules/

You can register as an independent "organization". So parent can register a group of 5 kids, as long as they all come from the same middle school. Your kid, if loving math, can surely take the initiative. Also, if you have any questions, email the POC listed in the website. They are super kind and responsive in responding your questions.
Just for advertisement, this year we will also host mBIT, likely in early June. https://mbit.mbhs.edu/ . Any three kids (no binding to school/county/state) can form a team.

How is that not a team? Basically parents at underresourced MCPS schools need to take it upon themselves to guide their kid to source several kids, coach the team and get the kids there.

If you can’t see the difference between the level of resources that requires from kids and parents at schools that are already lacking in resources, that’s a shame.

What resources they give to middle schools? All school parents need to take it upon themselves and be the club coach. Teachers only sponsor the club and don’t coach.

At my kid's MS, the chair of the math department selects the kids and organizes the club. That involves some coaching as well.

That’s very lucky then. Our math team and mathcount club are organized by parents and past club students (high schoolers).

From a W school cluster

You're the lucky one, because parents and past club students are much larger resource than one teacher.

I wish those high schoolers would branch out to cover more schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is a guarantee. Especially if the committee thinks the application is written by a striver mom, not the kid.

"290+" is a mid score, unless that "+" is doing a lot of work.

Or the committee thinks that the test score was lucky and not consistent with the rest of performance across other areas of evaluation.

It’s probably pretty rare to reject such students with strong stem awards and high MAP M. Outliers always exist but maybe with some reasons

There aren’t that many “strong STEM honors/awards” available to middle schoolers. So if the kids have them at that age, that’s more indicative of parental resources.

There are. Math Kangaroo, mathcount, mathleague, science bowl, AMC 8, Montgomery Blair math tournament, etc

These must be pay to play. Never heard of them.

They’re not exactly pay to play in that you need thousands to enter. But without some extra coaching (which could be $$), most kids wouldn’t be able to stand out. And Montgomery Blair math tournament and science bowl are team competitions. You’d need a cohort of fellow smart students. My kid’s MCPS MS doesn’t send kids to science bowl and it requires a faculty sponsor so it’s not like a team of kids can enter on their own.

They are pay to play. Many MCPS schools don't offer or support stem. There are plenty of schools with a cohort, but people like you like to pretend that these other kids aren't qualified. But, that's MCPS equity for you which is why they probably stopped using the term, but unleashing potential is a joke when they hold our kids back.

Free admission + free lunch isn't "pay to play"

https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/info/

Both schools my kids are at don't have math teams, so how exactly would they do that?

1. Click the link to the website.

2. Read the website.

3. Follow the instructions.

Maybe you didn't read the website, but it doesn't include information on how to enter if your kid isn't part of a math team.

If you are talking about mbmt (I'm not reading every reply in this thread so I might be wrong), read Rule #6 here: https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/rules/

You can register as an independent "organization". So parent can register a group of 5 kids, as long as they all come from the same middle school. Your kid, if loving math, can surely take the initiative. Also, if you have any questions, email the POC listed in the website. They are super kind and responsive in responding your questions.
Just for advertisement, this year we will also host mBIT, likely in early June. https://mbit.mbhs.edu/ . Any three kids (no binding to school/county/state) can form a team.

How is that not a team? Basically parents at underresourced MCPS schools need to take it upon themselves to guide their kid to source several kids, coach the team and get the kids there.

If you can’t see the difference between the level of resources that requires from kids and parents at schools that are already lacking in resources, that’s a shame.

What resources they give to middle schools? All school parents need to take it upon themselves and be the club coach. Teachers only sponsor the club and don’t coach.

At my kid's MS, the chair of the math department selects the kids and organizes the club. That involves some coaching as well.

That’s very lucky then. Our math team and mathcount club are organized by parents and past club students (high schoolers).

From a W school cluster

You're the lucky one, because parents and past club students are much larger resource than one teacher.

I wish those high schoolers would branch out to cover more schools.

You know many of these students have siblings in the middle school. They don’t have unlimited time as high schoolers but I’m sure there are some who are willing to help other schools if these schools parents reach out to them. Parents first need to support the club to be established and then student coaches will follow.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is a guarantee. Especially if the committee thinks the application is written by a striver mom, not the kid.

"290+" is a mid score, unless that "+" is doing a lot of work.

Or the committee thinks that the test score was lucky and not consistent with the rest of performance across other areas of evaluation.

It’s probably pretty rare to reject such students with strong stem awards and high MAP M. Outliers always exist but maybe with some reasons

There aren’t that many “strong STEM honors/awards” available to middle schoolers. So if the kids have them at that age, that’s more indicative of parental resources.

There are. Math Kangaroo, mathcount, mathleague, science bowl, AMC 8, Montgomery Blair math tournament, etc

These must be pay to play. Never heard of them.

They’re not exactly pay to play in that you need thousands to enter. But without some extra coaching (which could be $$), most kids wouldn’t be able to stand out. And Montgomery Blair math tournament and science bowl are team competitions. You’d need a cohort of fellow smart students. My kid’s MCPS MS doesn’t send kids to science bowl and it requires a faculty sponsor so it’s not like a team of kids can enter on their own.

They are pay to play. Many MCPS schools don't offer or support stem. There are plenty of schools with a cohort, but people like you like to pretend that these other kids aren't qualified. But, that's MCPS equity for you which is why they probably stopped using the term, but unleashing potential is a joke when they hold our kids back.

Free admission + free lunch isn't "pay to play"

https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/info/

Both schools my kids are at don't have math teams, so how exactly would they do that?

1. Click the link to the website.

2. Read the website.

3. Follow the instructions.

Maybe you didn't read the website, but it doesn't include information on how to enter if your kid isn't part of a math team.

If you are talking about mbmt (I'm not reading every reply in this thread so I might be wrong), read Rule #6 here: https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/rules/

You can register as an independent "organization". So parent can register a group of 5 kids, as long as they all come from the same middle school. Your kid, if loving math, can surely take the initiative. Also, if you have any questions, email the POC listed in the website. They are super kind and responsive in responding your questions.
Just for advertisement, this year we will also host mBIT, likely in early June. https://mbit.mbhs.edu/ . Any three kids (no binding to school/county/state) can form a team.

How is that not a team? Basically parents at underresourced MCPS schools need to take it upon themselves to guide their kid to source several kids, coach the team and get the kids there.

If you can’t see the difference between the level of resources that requires from kids and parents at schools that are already lacking in resources, that’s a shame.

What resources they give to middle schools? All school parents need to take it upon themselves and be the club coach. Teachers only sponsor the club and don’t coach.

At my kid's MS, the chair of the math department selects the kids and organizes the club. That involves some coaching as well.

That’s very lucky then. Our math team and mathcount club are organized by parents and past club students (high schoolers).

From a W school cluster

You're the lucky one, because parents and past club students are much larger resource than one teacher.

I wish those high schoolers would branch out to cover more schools.

You know many of these students have siblings in the middle school. They don’t have unlimited time as high schoolers but I’m sure there are some who are willing to help other schools if these schools parents reach out to them. Parents first need to support the club to be established and then student coaches will follow.

No, it's the other way around. The high schoolers do it as an EC for college apps. Almost none are coaching clubs for younger siblings. And the point of volunteer service is supposed to be helping less privileged families, not the elites scratching each other's backs.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is a guarantee. Especially if the committee thinks the application is written by a striver mom, not the kid.

"290+" is a mid score, unless that "+" is doing a lot of work.

Or the committee thinks that the test score was lucky and not consistent with the rest of performance across other areas of evaluation.

It’s probably pretty rare to reject such students with strong stem awards and high MAP M. Outliers always exist but maybe with some reasons

There aren’t that many “strong STEM honors/awards” available to middle schoolers. So if the kids have them at that age, that’s more indicative of parental resources.

There are. Math Kangaroo, mathcount, mathleague, science bowl, AMC 8, Montgomery Blair math tournament, etc

These must be pay to play. Never heard of them.

They’re not exactly pay to play in that you need thousands to enter. But without some extra coaching (which could be $$), most kids wouldn’t be able to stand out. And Montgomery Blair math tournament and science bowl are team competitions. You’d need a cohort of fellow smart students. My kid’s MCPS MS doesn’t send kids to science bowl and it requires a faculty sponsor so it’s not like a team of kids can enter on their own.

They are pay to play. Many MCPS schools don't offer or support stem. There are plenty of schools with a cohort, but people like you like to pretend that these other kids aren't qualified. But, that's MCPS equity for you which is why they probably stopped using the term, but unleashing potential is a joke when they hold our kids back.

Free admission + free lunch isn't "pay to play"

https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/info/

Both schools my kids are at don't have math teams, so how exactly would they do that?

1. Click the link to the website.

2. Read the website.

3. Follow the instructions.

Maybe you didn't read the website, but it doesn't include information on how to enter if your kid isn't part of a math team.

If you are talking about mbmt (I'm not reading every reply in this thread so I might be wrong), read Rule #6 here: https://mbmt.mbhs.edu/rules/

You can register as an independent "organization". So parent can register a group of 5 kids, as long as they all come from the same middle school. Your kid, if loving math, can surely take the initiative. Also, if you have any questions, email the POC listed in the website. They are super kind and responsive in responding your questions.
Just for advertisement, this year we will also host mBIT, likely in early June. https://mbit.mbhs.edu/ . Any three kids (no binding to school/county/state) can form a team.

How is that not a team? Basically parents at underresourced MCPS schools need to take it upon themselves to guide their kid to source several kids, coach the team and get the kids there.

If you can’t see the difference between the level of resources that requires from kids and parents at schools that are already lacking in resources, that’s a shame.

What resources they give to middle schools? All school parents need to take it upon themselves and be the club coach. Teachers only sponsor the club and don’t coach.

At my kid's MS, the chair of the math department selects the kids and organizes the club. That involves some coaching as well.

That’s very lucky then. Our math team and mathcount club are organized by parents and past club students (high schoolers).

From a W school cluster

You're the lucky one, because parents and past club students are much larger resource than one teacher.

I wish those high schoolers would branch out to cover more schools.

You know many of these students have siblings in the middle school. They don’t have unlimited time as high schoolers but I’m sure there are some who are willing to help other schools if these schools parents reach out to them. Parents first need to support the club to be established and then student coaches will follow.

No, it's the other way around. The high schoolers do it as an EC for college apps. Almost none are coaching clubs for younger siblings. And the point of volunteer service is supposed to be helping less privileged families, not the elites scratching each other's backs.

+1 And having ad hoc STEM enrichment available to some schools and not others is why people on this thread have been saying it's not easy for a middle school kid to show that they've won a STEM award, absent parental or school resources that are much higher than average for an MCPS kid.