Amherst College Paper Article on Athletic Recruiting.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I looked, athletes also help with diversity? Am I missing something?

The diversity argument is a fair one for many sports. You can find some sports where they definitely help diversity. Golf, tennis, and volleyball all attract Asian kids for the West Coast but many sports are pretty white. Schools aren't going to cut sports though because doing so would disadvantage them in the Directors Cup competition where NESCAC teams are perennially among the very top teams with Williams having the greatest number of wins in D3.

Again, guess you didn’t read the article.

I read the article, I'm also big on objective fact. Take a look at the Women's golf and tennis teams at Amherst and Williams then come back and give us an update.

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I looked at both teams. Someone is clearly upset Amherst is no longer WASPy like it used to be.

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Anonymous wrote:The article was anti recruiting athletes. As an experiment Amherst should just forgo recruiting athletes and fill all of their varsity sports with walk-ons. I suspect that they would lose very game, Donations would plummet, and school spirit would die.

There is no school spirit. Other than the Williams game, no one attends football games. The athletic department offers bribes to the first 100 students in attendance and they’ve never reached 100.

The athletic department bribes us to go to games???? Maybe I should start going...

Yeah, my kid wants to know more. :wink:

No more to know. Every game is free swag for the first 100 students. All you have to do is show up!

I have been to many games at Williams and this is not true.

Who on earth is talking about Williams? This is what they do at Amherst

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is an athlete and did not pass the pre-reads at two NESCACs. He had close stats, but not 50%-tile, and would have been at least a B band recruit. Point is, the standards for my athlete we still high for admission - so high he got a polite "no" (again despite the athletic talent being there). No big deal, b/c DC had cast a wide net of various D1 and D3 schools and went elsewhere with no regrets, but just passing along that the two NESCAC schools definitely were keeping high standards even for a top athlete who ultimately went D1.

Also, my athlete practiced 20-ish hours a week (and sometimes many more with weekend long tournaments) and kept his grades up plus participated in all the other school/outside activities like clubs and volunteering that all the high-fliers do these days. Athletes have all the standard academic demands of high school AND hours of practice and athletic talent to add to the mix. These small schools should want to keep this kind of student around. These student athletes are hard working, smart with grit, dedicated and also tend to be sociable and great marketing for the school.

Ok, then non recruited athletes (played in HS but not good enough for college team) should get a leg up too.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is an athlete and did not pass the pre-reads at two NESCACs. He had close stats, but not 50%-tile, and would have been at least a B band recruit. Point is, the standards for my athlete we still high for admission - so high he got a polite "no" (again despite the athletic talent being there). No big deal, b/c DC had cast a wide net of various D1 and D3 schools and went elsewhere with no regrets, but just passing along that the two NESCAC schools definitely were keeping high standards even for a top athlete who ultimately went D1.

Also, my athlete practiced 20-ish hours a week (and sometimes many more with weekend long tournaments) and kept his grades up plus participated in all the other school/outside activities like clubs and volunteering that all the high-fliers do these days. Athletes have all the standard academic demands of high school AND hours of practice and athletic talent to add to the mix. These small schools should want to keep this kind of student around. These student athletes are hard working, smart with grit, dedicated and also tend to be sociable and great marketing for the school.

True. Plus, they are always battling pain and injuries while doing all those fantastic things in and out of school. My DC had three big injuries in high school, each kept them off the field for months, but they stayed away from painkillers so they could stay awake, not drowsy at school. Never mind the countless hours spent in PT and trainers office. They didn’t get recruited by a NESCAC school but thankfully got recruited by another top 30 great college. The coach was especially impressed with their grades despite of the injuries.

Give me a break. My kid spends far more time on his year-round activity than any athlete playing a 1-season sport. So do the kids doing original research in high school. Athletes are just not that special and 67% of students do not care about their insular cliques or attend their games.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is an athlete and did not pass the pre-reads at two NESCACs. He had close stats, but not 50%-tile, and would have been at least a B band recruit. Point is, the standards for my athlete we still high for admission - so high he got a polite "no" (again despite the athletic talent being there). No big deal, b/c DC had cast a wide net of various D1 and D3 schools and went elsewhere with no regrets, but just passing along that the two NESCAC schools definitely were keeping high standards even for a top athlete who ultimately went D1.

Also, my athlete practiced 20-ish hours a week (and sometimes many more with weekend long tournaments) and kept his grades up plus participated in all the other school/outside activities like clubs and volunteering that all the high-fliers do these days. Athletes have all the standard academic demands of high school AND hours of practice and athletic talent to add to the mix. These small schools should want to keep this kind of student around. These student athletes are hard working, smart with grit, dedicated and also tend to be sociable and great marketing for the school.

True. Plus, they are always battling pain and injuries while doing all those fantastic things in and out of school. My DC had three big injuries in high school, each kept them off the field for months, but they stayed away from painkillers so they could stay awake, not drowsy at school. Never mind the countless hours spent in PT and trainers office. They didn’t get recruited by a NESCAC school but thankfully got recruited by another top 30 great college. The coach was especially impressed with their grades despite of the injuries.

Give me a break. My kid spends far more time on his year-round activity than any athlete playing a 1-season sport. So do the kids doing original research in high school. Athletes are just not that special and 67% of students do not care about their insular cliques or attend their games.

Your post made me think of another issue I don’t think has been discussed: the widespread perception that athletes contribute negatively to campus culture due to cliquishness etc.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is an athlete and did not pass the pre-reads at two NESCACs. He had close stats, but not 50%-tile, and would have been at least a B band recruit. Point is, the standards for my athlete we still high for admission - so high he got a polite "no" (again despite the athletic talent being there). No big deal, b/c DC had cast a wide net of various D1 and D3 schools and went elsewhere with no regrets, but just passing along that the two NESCAC schools definitely were keeping high standards even for a top athlete who ultimately went D1.

Also, my athlete practiced 20-ish hours a week (and sometimes many more with weekend long tournaments) and kept his grades up plus participated in all the other school/outside activities like clubs and volunteering that all the high-fliers do these days. Athletes have all the standard academic demands of high school AND hours of practice and athletic talent to add to the mix. These small schools should want to keep this kind of student around. These student athletes are hard working, smart with grit, dedicated and also tend to be sociable and great marketing for the school.

True. Plus, they are always battling pain and injuries while doing all those fantastic things in and out of school. My DC had three big injuries in high school, each kept them off the field for months, but they stayed away from painkillers so they could stay awake, not drowsy at school. Never mind the countless hours spent in PT and trainers office. They didn’t get recruited by a NESCAC school but thankfully got recruited by another top 30 great college. The coach was especially impressed with their grades despite of the injuries.

Give me a break. My kid spends far more time on his year-round activity than any athlete playing a 1-season sport. So do the kids doing original research in high school. Athletes are just not that special and 67% of students do not care about their insular cliques or attend their games.

Watch out! Your ignorance and jealousy are spilling out of the screen.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is an athlete and did not pass the pre-reads at two NESCACs. He had close stats, but not 50%-tile, and would have been at least a B band recruit. Point is, the standards for my athlete we still high for admission - so high he got a polite "no" (again despite the athletic talent being there). No big deal, b/c DC had cast a wide net of various D1 and D3 schools and went elsewhere with no regrets, but just passing along that the two NESCAC schools definitely were keeping high standards even for a top athlete who ultimately went D1.

Also, my athlete practiced 20-ish hours a week (and sometimes many more with weekend long tournaments) and kept his grades up plus participated in all the other school/outside activities like clubs and volunteering that all the high-fliers do these days. Athletes have all the standard academic demands of high school AND hours of practice and athletic talent to add to the mix. These small schools should want to keep this kind of student around. These student athletes are hard working, smart with grit, dedicated and also tend to be sociable and great marketing for the school.

True. Plus, they are always battling pain and injuries while doing all those fantastic things in and out of school. My DC had three big injuries in high school, each kept them off the field for months, but they stayed away from painkillers so they could stay awake, not drowsy at school. Never mind the countless hours spent in PT and trainers office. They didn’t get recruited by a NESCAC school but thankfully got recruited by another top 30 great college. The coach was especially impressed with their grades despite of the injuries.

Give me a break. My kid spends far more time on his year-round activity than any athlete playing a 1-season sport. So do the kids doing original research in high school. Athletes are just not that special and 67% of students do not care about their insular cliques or attend their games.

The copium runs strong in this one.

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Whoever is putting down athletes, you are a total pompous, feckless, rubber room candidate. My DD spends at least eight hundred hours a year just practicing her sport. That is 33 1/3 days straight of just doing one thing, and she does it well. These are the kids taking your DC spot at Amherst, Williams, Harvard, and Princeton. Kids who have balls. Kids who win. Kids who do not need medication when life takes a crap on them. Kids who can do something other than memorize and regurgitate answers. My monkey BoBo could probably write a better research paper than you.

Crawl back under your rock. Get your blanket and suck your thumb. You lost before the whistle was ever blown.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever is putting down athletes, you are a total pompous, feckless, rubber room candidate. My DD spends at least eight hundred hours a year just practicing her sport. That is 33 1/3 days straight of just doing one thing, and she does it well. These are the kids taking your DC spot at Amherst, Williams, Harvard, and Princeton. Kids who have balls. Kids who win. Kids who do not need medication when life takes a crap on them. Kids who can do something other than memorize and regurgitate answers. My monkey BoBo could probably write a better research paper than you.

Crawl back under your rock. Get your blanket and suck your thumb. You lost before the whistle was ever blown.

I can see where your kid got their lower IQ from.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever is putting down athletes, you are a total pompous, feckless, rubber room candidate. My DD spends at least eight hundred hours a year just practicing her sport. That is 33 1/3 days straight of just doing one thing, and she does it well. These are the kids taking your DC spot at Amherst, Williams, Harvard, and Princeton. Kids who have balls. Kids who win. Kids who do not need medication when life takes a crap on them. Kids who can do something other than memorize and regurgitate answers. My monkey BoBo could probably write a better research paper than you.

Crawl back under your rock. Get your blanket and suck your thumb. You lost before the whistle was ever blown.

How's she do on her SAT?

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is an athlete and did not pass the pre-reads at two NESCACs. He had close stats, but not 50%-tile, and would have been at least a B band recruit. Point is, the standards for my athlete we still high for admission - so high he got a polite "no" (again despite the athletic talent being there). No big deal, b/c DC had cast a wide net of various D1 and D3 schools and went elsewhere with no regrets, but just passing along that the two NESCAC schools definitely were keeping high standards even for a top athlete who ultimately went D1.

Also, my athlete practiced 20-ish hours a week (and sometimes many more with weekend long tournaments) and kept his grades up plus participated in all the other school/outside activities like clubs and volunteering that all the high-fliers do these days. Athletes have all the standard academic demands of high school AND hours of practice and athletic talent to add to the mix. These small schools should want to keep this kind of student around. These student athletes are hard working, smart with grit, dedicated and also tend to be sociable and great marketing for the school.

True. Plus, they are always battling pain and injuries while doing all those fantastic things in and out of school. My DC had three big injuries in high school, each kept them off the field for months, but they stayed away from painkillers so they could stay awake, not drowsy at school. Never mind the countless hours spent in PT and trainers office. They didn’t get recruited by a NESCAC school but thankfully got recruited by another top 30 great college. The coach was especially impressed with their grades despite of the injuries.

Give me a break. My kid spends far more time on his year-round activity than any athlete playing a 1-season sport. So do the kids doing original research in high school. Athletes are just not that special and 67% of students do not care about their insular cliques or attend their games.

The copium runs strong in this one.

Copium? My kid has a 4.0 at Amherst. She loves it there, just wishes some of her classmates were smarter and focused more on academics, less on practice and partying. Annoying when she has a group project and has to carry them to preserve her own grade.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is an athlete and did not pass the pre-reads at two NESCACs. He had close stats, but not 50%-tile, and would have been at least a B band recruit. Point is, the standards for my athlete we still high for admission - so high he got a polite "no" (again despite the athletic talent being there). No big deal, b/c DC had cast a wide net of various D1 and D3 schools and went elsewhere with no regrets, but just passing along that the two NESCAC schools definitely were keeping high standards even for a top athlete who ultimately went D1.

Also, my athlete practiced 20-ish hours a week (and sometimes many more with weekend long tournaments) and kept his grades up plus participated in all the other school/outside activities like clubs and volunteering that all the high-fliers do these days. Athletes have all the standard academic demands of high school AND hours of practice and athletic talent to add to the mix. These small schools should want to keep this kind of student around. These student athletes are hard working, smart with grit, dedicated and also tend to be sociable and great marketing for the school.

True. Plus, they are always battling pain and injuries while doing all those fantastic things in and out of school. My DC had three big injuries in high school, each kept them off the field for months, but they stayed away from painkillers so they could stay awake, not drowsy at school. Never mind the countless hours spent in PT and trainers office. They didn’t get recruited by a NESCAC school but thankfully got recruited by another top 30 great college. The coach was especially impressed with their grades despite of the injuries.

Give me a break. My kid spends far more time on his year-round activity than any athlete playing a 1-season sport. So do the kids doing original research in high school. Athletes are just not that special and 67% of students do not care about their insular cliques or attend their games.

Watch out! Your ignorance and jealousy are spilling out of the screen.

You keep screaming jealousy. Why? My kid got in on actual academic merit. Didn’t need a crutch that will have no bearing on their future lives.

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Anonymous wrote:I looked at both teams. Someone is clearly upset Amherst is no longer WASPy like it used to be.

I agree that their are many teams that are predominantly white but those teams look like affirmative action for Asian Internationals.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever is putting down athletes, you are a total pompous, feckless, rubber room candidate. My DD spends at least eight hundred hours a year just practicing her sport. That is 33 1/3 days straight of just doing one thing, and she does it well. These are the kids taking your DC spot at Amherst, Williams, Harvard, and Princeton. Kids who have balls. Kids who win. Kids who do not need medication when life takes a crap on them. Kids who can do something other than memorize and regurgitate answers. My monkey BoBo could probably write a better research paper than you.

Crawl back under your rock. Get your blanket and suck your thumb. You lost before the whistle was ever blown.

I can see where your kid got their lower IQ from.

What a time waste (800 hrs!). Spending all that time and not even going pro? Plus all those injuries. I have a friend who played a sport in college and she so regrets it. It really took a toll on her body.