Columbia considers expanding undergraduate enrollment by up to 20 percent

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Anonymous wrote:I believe Columbia already expanded 15-20% just this last cycle. Now again?

They want to beat Penn and Cornell for the largest ivy?

Penn at about 3000 freshmen is huuuuge and makes a mockery of IVY label.
Cornell worse at about 5000 freshmen!!!!
Add Columbia and pretty soon they will look like state flagships…

The Ivy label is a sports league, idiot. How does the size of the class make a mockery of anything? Good for Columbia. Tons of smart, full pay kids getting rejected from these top 20 schools. They should all expand. Some of the Ivy League schools haven’t expanded in 100 years.

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Expansion of Ivy seats is a good idea, but it’s like missing middle housing. It’s doom to fail unless you have the supporting infrastructure first. As an alum, I can tell you that it’s a lot of people on campus to compete with for space and everything else. Everything feels like a competition, like trying to get a preferred place to study. If they increase enrollment by 20%, first I’d like to see them with real plans for increasing staff and infrastructure. If there is shortage in student housing, cost of attendance goes way up for a Manhattan rental.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not good. Columbia has not had a couple of good years. Steer away.

Are you steering competition away from your DC?

Just apply to Columbia GS. They take kids right out of high school and it is the same degree. Greater than 40% acceptance rate.

Your answer certifies you as untrustworthy.

NP. I’ve seen this happen a couple times. Two kids who were not even close to Columbia College standards are now “at Columbia”. They take Columbia classes and their degree will just say Columbia. It won’t indicate GS.

This is true. I know a former adult film actress who went there. There are many troubled kids there (well not kids, more like mid-20s). It's not uncommon to end up there after traditional college doesn't work out, mental breakdown, etc. But many military vets too.

The diploma/trasncript does indicate Gen Studies however. You are not going to fool Goldman Sachs into thinking you are actually a Columbia College grad.

I know someone from General Studies who went to front office at Goldman. The diploma does not say General studies.

All Columbia diplomas have the name of the school from which you're receiving the degree. If you went to Columbia, you'd know that!

As for the Goldman Sachs comment, try and remember that a lot of qualified older population go to GS and they could very likely be qualified for a front office job at Goldman Sachs. It actually means that the candidate that was accepted to the General Studies school is a solid candidate and the GS degree gave this candidate an opportunity for applyling to a role at Goldman and securing the spot. (Likely a veteran but can also be a different candidate.) This is a success story and not one to be denigrated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe Columbia already expanded 15-20% just this last cycle. Now again?

They want to beat Penn and Cornell for the largest ivy?

Penn at about 3000 freshmen is huuuuge and makes a mockery of IVY label.
Cornell worse at about 5000 freshmen!!!!
Add Columbia and pretty soon they will look like state flagships…

The Ivy label is a sports league, idiot. How does the size of the class make a mockery of anything? Good for Columbia. Tons of smart, full pay kids getting rejected from these top 20 schools. They should all expand. Some of the Ivy League schools haven’t expanded in 100 years.

Selingo's latest book discusses this. Galloway talks about this. Gladwell talks about this. The only way to address the current imbalance in gaining admission to the T25 schools is through expanding enrollment. The acceptance rates at these schools are artificially limited by the lack of growth in available spots. It's a system manipulated by the incumbents at these institutions. It needs to change! Hopefully, other T25 schools will also announce similar plans. If the Trump administration wants to genuinely improve higher education in this country, this should have been the main focus in the pact they tried to get these schools to sign.

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GS is also the school where the students in the international dual degree programs (with Trinity College, Sciences Po, Tel Aviv, etc.) attend. They're considered non-traditional bc they do the first couple of years at those schools, then finish up at Columbia, even if they start right out of high school. They represent a good chunk of GS students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need the tuition $. A bit like Chicago.

Yep. Money grab. They will fill the college up with international kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe Columbia already expanded 15-20% just this last cycle. Now again?

They want to beat Penn and Cornell for the largest ivy?

Penn at about 3000 freshmen is huuuuge and makes a mockery of IVY label.
Cornell worse at about 5000 freshmen!!!!
Add Columbia and pretty soon they will look like state flagships…

The Ivy label is a sports league, idiot. How does the size of the class make a mockery of anything? Good for Columbia. Tons of smart, full pay kids getting rejected from these top 20 schools. They should all expand. Some of the Ivy League schools haven’t expanded in 100 years.

Columbia has about 1800 first years as undergrads this year, and accepted 3.2 percent of applicants--it's one of the smallest Ivies, which are small compared to big state schools. 25 years ago they had 1000 undergrads and accepted 17 percent of applicants. It's not like increasing the class by a few hundred kids is going to lower standards by much. They have many more qualified applicants than they can admit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia is like a diploma mill these days. Unfortunate.

+1 they are making themselves into a joke

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not good. Columbia has not had a couple of good years. Steer away.

Are you steering competition away from your DC?

Just apply to Columbia GS. They take kids right out of high school and it is the same degree. Greater than 40% acceptance rate.

Your answer certifies you as untrustworthy.

NP. I’ve seen this happen a couple times. Two kids who were not even close to Columbia College standards are now “at Columbia”. They take Columbia classes and their degree will just say Columbia. It won’t indicate GS.

This is true. I know a former adult film actress who went there. There are many troubled kids there (well not kids, more like mid-20s). It's not uncommon to end up there after traditional college doesn't work out, mental breakdown, etc. But many military vets too.

The diploma/trasncript does indicate Gen Studies however. You are not going to fool Goldman Sachs into thinking you are actually a Columbia College grad.

I know someone from General Studies who went to front office at Goldman. The diploma does not say General studies.

All Columbia diplomas have the name of the school from which you're receiving the degree. If you went to Columbia, you'd know that!

As for the Goldman Sachs comment, try and remember that a lot of qualified older population go to GS and they could very likely be qualified for a front office job at Goldman Sachs. It actually means that the candidate that was accepted to the General Studies school is a solid candidate and the GS degree gave this candidate an opportunity for applyling to a role at Goldman and securing the spot. (Likely a veteran but can also be a different candidate.) This is a success story and not one to be denigrated.

I did not go to Columbia but I went to Wharton and now live in NYC. I know kids who are doing the dual programs with GS and they seem to be doing fine in terms of post college placement. As for getting a spot at Goldman, the kid did Science Po and GS and had no problem securing the Goldman spot.

[Anonymous]

Fundamental economic principle: higher the number , lower the prestige….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not good. Columbia has not had a couple of good years. Steer away.

Are you steering competition away from your DC?

Just apply to Columbia GS. They take kids right out of high school and it is the same degree. Greater than 40% acceptance rate.

Your answer certifies you as untrustworthy.

NP. I’ve seen this happen a couple times. Two kids who were not even close to Columbia College standards are now “at Columbia”. They take Columbia classes and their degree will just say Columbia. It won’t indicate GS.

This is true. I know a former adult film actress who went there. There are many troubled kids there (well not kids, more like mid-20s). It's not uncommon to end up there after traditional college doesn't work out, mental breakdown, etc. But many military vets too.

The diploma/trasncript does indicate Gen Studies however. You are not going to fool Goldman Sachs into thinking you are actually a Columbia College grad.

I know someone from General Studies who went to front office at Goldman. The diploma does not say General studies.

All Columbia diplomas have the name of the school from which you're receiving the degree. If you went to Columbia, you'd know that!

As for the Goldman Sachs comment, try and remember that a lot of qualified older population go to GS and they could very likely be qualified for a front office job at Goldman Sachs. It actually means that the candidate that was accepted to the General Studies school is a solid candidate and the GS degree gave this candidate an opportunity for applyling to a role at Goldman and securing the spot. (Likely a veteran but can also be a different candidate.) This is a success story and not one to be denigrated.

Get a GS degree, get a job at GS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe Columbia already expanded 15-20% just this last cycle. Now again?

They want to beat Penn and Cornell for the largest ivy?

Penn at about 3000 freshmen is huuuuge and makes a mockery of IVY label.
Cornell worse at about 5000 freshmen!!!!
Add Columbia and pretty soon they will look like state flagships…

The Ivy label is a sports league, idiot. How does the size of the class make a mockery of anything? Good for Columbia. Tons of smart, full pay kids getting rejected from these top 20 schools. They should all expand. Some of the Ivy League schools haven’t expanded in 100 years.

Selingo's latest book discusses this. Galloway talks about this. Gladwell talks about this. The only way to address the current imbalance in gaining admission to the T25 schools is through expanding enrollment. The acceptance rates at these schools are artificially limited by the lack of growth in available spots. It's a system manipulated by the incumbents at these institutions. It needs to change! Hopefully, other T25 schools will also announce similar plans. If the Trump administration wants to genuinely improve higher education in this country, this should have been the main focus in the pact they tried to get these schools to sign.

Who cares????
What's being "manipulated"? Who are the "incumbents"?

Kids who don't go to those schools can go to other schools. How is this Trump's business?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe Columbia already expanded 15-20% just this last cycle. Now again?

They want to beat Penn and Cornell for the largest ivy?

Penn at about 3000 freshmen is huuuuge and makes a mockery of IVY label.
Cornell worse at about 5000 freshmen!!!!
Add Columbia and pretty soon they will look like state flagships…

The Ivy label is a sports league, idiot. How does the size of the class make a mockery of anything? Good for Columbia. Tons of smart, full pay kids getting rejected from these top 20 schools. They should all expand. Some of the Ivy League schools haven’t expanded in 100 years.

Selingo's latest book discusses this. Galloway talks about this. Gladwell talks about this. The only way to address the current imbalance in gaining admission to the T25 schools is through expanding enrollment. The acceptance rates at these schools are artificially limited by the lack of growth in available spots. It's a system manipulated by the incumbents at these institutions. It needs to change! Hopefully, other T25 schools will also announce similar plans. If the Trump administration wants to genuinely improve higher education in this country, this should have been the main focus in the pact they tried to get these schools to sign.

Who cares????
What's being "manipulated"? Who are the "incumbents"?

Kids who don't go to those schools can go to other schools. How is this Trump's business?

Educate yourself by doing some research and reading. If you don't want to, then fine, get off this thread and troll elsewhere. Parents of kids applying to these schools care about the game of yield management and understand the role that incumbents play. Of course kids can go elsewhere and many do. That doesn't mean that a school can't or shouldn't increase its enrollment to allow additional qualified students to take advantage of they have to offer. Everyone should care!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Despite its location Columbia never made it to the big leagues. Chronic mismanagement. In recent years it went from being the most Jewish Ivy (fighting with Penn for that title) to the regional center of the intafadah.

In hindsight, the student protesters were right about calling attention to the crisis given that Israel is now accused of genocide and horrible war crimes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Despite its location Columbia never made it to the big leagues. Chronic mismanagement. In recent years it went from being the most Jewish Ivy (fighting with Penn for that title) to the regional center of the intafadah.

In hindsight, the student protesters were right about calling attention to the crisis given that Israel is now accused of genocide and horrible war crimes.

Can we have a thread, any thread, without this coming up?