What's behind the surge in applications to some schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I dont think you can write 22 strong applications.

Maybe there are schools that don't require essays or supps. Okay. But for those that do - every short answer, every quick take has to really be well crafted.

Our counselor says kids who apply to 7-8 schools usually have better options than kids who apply to 15+. I believe it


Most of the 20+ applications are split he’s ill btw EA and RD.

RD applications written 2 months after EA can often be stronger. Writing good essay packages is a learned skill. You get better the more you do.


22 applications is insane and unnecessary with a well curated list. 2-3 reaches, a handful or targets, and 2-3 safetys your child is actually willing to attend (not just easy to get in or rolling admissions).

Anything more is a waste of time and money.



That's not true these days. The Regular Decision acceptance rate for schools like Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Chicago is sub-5 percent. And nearly every applicant is outstanding. Regular Decision acceptance to a T20 is very much a lottery. We've all seen an acceptance to Harvard but a rejection from Brown. Or an acceptance to MIT but a rejection from Rice. Or an acceptance to Stanford but a rejection from Penn. None of it is logical. It can't be planned for. Regular Decision at the T20 level feels random for the top students, which incentives applying broadly to numerous reach schools.

ED is different. You can strategize about that. But the RD round is mayhem for gifted students applying to T20 schools. So they tend to send quite a few apps these days.


This is exactly the vicious cycle someone posted about earlier.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My kid did 11 btw EA and RD and can’t imagine doing many more, unless you’re talking applications w no supps.

But our school is hard focused on getting each app right. Teachers will even write a LOR, you submit the app, then teacher will edit for next school etc. So that app to Princeton or Rice or Williams is all about that kid and what they’ll bring to that specific school.



LORs in Common App cannot be edited once submitted.

It's not that hard to tweak supplements to apply to more schools. Most supplemental essays are regurgitating the same stuff. Why Major, Why Us. Diversity/Community. EC.

My kid applied to 15 schools between Jan 1 and Jan 15. The first essays are the hardest ones to write, in his case that was for the UCs back on Dec 2 and then the Jan 1 schools that started with pieces of those essays. Once the ball gets rolling, the genre gets familiar, and whole paragraphs can be copied, it's not that hard. The different essay lengths force each one to be slightly unique but the basic facts stay the same.
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Anonymous wrote:My kid did 11 btw EA and RD and can’t imagine doing many more, unless you’re talking applications w no supps.

But our school is hard focused on getting each app right. Teachers will even write a LOR, you submit the app, then teacher will edit for next school etc. So that app to Princeton or Rice or Williams is all about that kid and what they’ll bring to that specific school.





Wow. What kind of school is this? If private, what kind of private?


Private day school in nyc. My kid doing 11 was on the high end because there were 5 UCAS schools (one app) in there. The HS limits US apps to 10 and average kid submits 6. There's some T5 legacy, but sub 10% of the kids. It's also a school that if you get in SCEA, you can apply to one or two more but that's it. Most don't submit any more if they get in SCEA. There is an awareness about the pool.

I don't think people appreciate how worse your odds get if you're submitting 15+ and so are your classmates. You may not even be the best app to Rice or BU coming from your HS. I also don't think people appreciate how good a good application moves the needle. Parents think if John and Jim are both applying to Vandy and everyone knows John is the "better" applicant, it's an easy call. But the essays, how they narrow-focus the activities list, the LOR, how they tell their story and interest related to what Vandy specifically offers ..that's what matters. Not the 3.96 vs 3.90.
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Anonymous wrote:My kid did 11 btw EA and RD and can’t imagine doing many more, unless you’re talking applications w no supps.

But our school is hard focused on getting each app right. Teachers will even write a LOR, you submit the app, then teacher will edit for next school etc. So that app to Princeton or Rice or Williams is all about that kid and what they’ll bring to that specific school.



LORs in Common App cannot be edited once submitted.

What I mean here is that once a teacher uploads to Common App and the student submits to a school, that teacher LOR cannot be changed. The teacher cannot upload a new LOR for the student for some other college. This is a very important clarification to emphasize if there are any teachers reading here: you cannot make LORs school-specific for submissions through Common App.
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Anonymous wrote:My kid did 11 btw EA and RD and can’t imagine doing many more, unless you’re talking applications w no supps.

But our school is hard focused on getting each app right. Teachers will even write a LOR, you submit the app, then teacher will edit for next school etc. So that app to Princeton or Rice or Williams is all about that kid and what they’ll bring to that specific school.



LORs in Common App cannot be edited once submitted.

What I mean here is that once a teacher uploads to Common App and the student submits to a school, that teacher LOR cannot be changed. The teacher cannot upload a new LOR for the student for some other college. This is a very important clarification to emphasize if there are any teachers reading here: you cannot make LORs school-specific for submissions through Common App.


this isn't true. you have to withdraw and resubmit, but it's fine.

you can also edit common app essay, activities list, additional info .. all of it. my kid did that for every school.
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Anonymous wrote:University of Texas saw a massive increase, from 72,000 to 90,000. USC got more than 42,000 EA applications. UVA saw a huge spike. Northeastern went from 98,000 applications to over 107,000. Overall, applications in the Common App increased from 6.3 million to 6.7 million.

I thought that the demographic cliff would be kicking in, but it looks like it is harder than ever.

Two of those are a great educational value
Northeastern likely up from marketing and fee waivers


Northeastern is actually better performing school than the other two

Lol. Sure.


Granny, wake up.

You are seriously delusional if you think anyone puts NEU above UT and Michigan.


Retention
NEU 97%
UT 96%

Graduation
NEU 90%
UT 84%

4-year-out salary outcome
NEU 93K
UT $75K

Acceptance rate, yield rate, median SAT, ect., NEU beats UT in every metrics.
Wake the F up to 2025 granny, it's not 1986.
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Anonymous wrote:My kid did 11 btw EA and RD and can’t imagine doing many more, unless you’re talking applications w no supps.

But our school is hard focused on getting each app right. Teachers will even write a LOR, you submit the app, then teacher will edit for next school etc. So that app to Princeton or Rice or Williams is all about that kid and what they’ll bring to that specific school.





Wow. What kind of school is this? If private, what kind of private?


Private day school in nyc. My kid doing 11 was on the high end because there were 5 UCAS schools (one app) in there. The HS limits US apps to 10 and average kid submits 6. There's some T5 legacy, but sub 10% of the kids. It's also a school that if you get in SCEA, you can apply to one or two more but that's it. Most don't submit any more if they get in SCEA. There is an awareness about the pool.

I don't think people appreciate how worse your odds get if you're submitting 15+ and so are your classmates. You may not even be the best app to Rice or BU coming from your HS. I also don't think people appreciate how good a good application moves the needle. Parents think if John and Jim are both applying to Vandy and everyone knows John is the "better" applicant, it's an easy call. But the essays, how they narrow-focus the activities list, the LOR, how they tell their story and interest related to what Vandy specifically offers ..that's what matters. Not the 3.96 vs 3.90.


This sounds heavenly. Clearly it can only happen in a private school but I wish more privates would do this. DC ended up submitting 20 reaches because most kids did. I wish the school would lay down a limit.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid did 11 btw EA and RD and can’t imagine doing many more, unless you’re talking applications w no supps.

But our school is hard focused on getting each app right. Teachers will even write a LOR, you submit the app, then teacher will edit for next school etc. So that app to Princeton or Rice or Williams is all about that kid and what they’ll bring to that specific school.



LORs in Common App cannot be edited once submitted.

What I mean here is that once a teacher uploads to Common App and the student submits to a school, that teacher LOR cannot be changed. The teacher cannot upload a new LOR for the student for some other college. This is a very important clarification to emphasize if there are any teachers reading here: you cannot make LORs school-specific for submissions through Common App.


this isn't true. you have to withdraw and resubmit, but it's fine.

you can also edit common app essay, activities list, additional info .. all of it. my kid did that for every school.


Mine did this. Based on what each T20 wants (looked at mission statement and AO scoring rubric; listened to AO podcasts and webinars; reviewed strategic plan and new areas of university focus or investment). Even tweaked primary/secondary major choice and career goals for EVERY application.

Exhausting process. It is not rinse and repeat if you are submitting selective RD apps - highly customized to what schools value.
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Anonymous wrote:University of Texas saw a massive increase, from 72,000 to 90,000. USC got more than 42,000 EA applications. UVA saw a huge spike. Northeastern went from 98,000 applications to over 107,000. Overall, applications in the Common App increased from 6.3 million to 6.7 million.

I thought that the demographic cliff would be kicking in, but it looks like it is harder than ever.

Two of those are a great educational value
Northeastern likely up from marketing and fee waivers


Northeastern is actually better performing school than the other two

Lol. Sure.


Granny, wake up.

You are seriously delusional if you think anyone puts NEU above UT and Michigan.


Retention
NEU 97%
UT 96%

Graduation
NEU 90%
UT 84%

4-year-out salary outcome
NEU 93K
UT $75K

Acceptance rate, yield rate, median SAT, ect., NEU beats UT in every metrics.
Wake the F up to 2025 granny, it's not 1986.


Stop bringing facts into an argument, older folks have problems with numbers.
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Anonymous wrote:University of Texas saw a massive increase, from 72,000 to 90,000. USC got more than 42,000 EA applications. UVA saw a huge spike. Northeastern went from 98,000 applications to over 107,000. Overall, applications in the Common App increased from 6.3 million to 6.7 million.

I thought that the demographic cliff would be kicking in, but it looks like it is harder than ever.

Two of those are a great educational value
Northeastern likely up from marketing and fee waivers


Northeastern is actually better performing school than the orter two


not according go USNWR: Northeastern is ranked well below Texas and UVA.

Most people don't believe USNWR like the Bible.
But since NEU is the poster child for worshipping at the feet of USNWR, it seems fair to evaluate that school in particular on that metric.
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Anonymous wrote:University of Texas saw a massive increase, from 72,000 to 90,000. USC got more than 42,000 EA applications. UVA saw a huge spike. Northeastern went from 98,000 applications to over 107,000. Overall, applications in the Common App increased from 6.3 million to 6.7 million.

I thought that the demographic cliff would be kicking in, but it looks like it is harder than ever.

Two of those are a great educational value
Northeastern likely up from marketing and fee waivers


Northeastern is actually better performing school than the other two

Lol. Sure.


Granny, wake up.

You are seriously delusional if you think anyone puts NEU above UT and Michigan.


Retention
NEU 97%
UT 96%

Graduation
NEU 90%
UT 84%

4-year-out salary outcome
NEU 93K
UT $75K

Acceptance rate, yield rate, median SAT, ect., NEU beats UT in every metrics.
Wake the F up to 2025 granny, it's not 1986.

Texas is a state school and not full of rich kids paying 100k so of course this is going to affect raw numbers.

Do you seriously just sit around and look for any post on here with northeastern in it? Hopefully the school is at least paying you for this.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:University of Texas saw a massive increase, from 72,000 to 90,000. USC got more than 42,000 EA applications. UVA saw a huge spike. Northeastern went from 98,000 applications to over 107,000. Overall, applications in the Common App increased from 6.3 million to 6.7 million.

I thought that the demographic cliff would be kicking in, but it looks like it is harder than ever.

Two of those are a great educational value
Northeastern likely up from marketing and fee waivers


Northeastern is actually better performing school than the other two

Lol. Sure.


Granny, wake up.

You are seriously delusional if you think anyone puts NEU above UT and Michigan.


Retention
NEU 97%
UT 96%

Graduation
NEU 90%
UT 84%

4-year-out salary outcome
NEU 93K
UT $75K

Acceptance rate, yield rate, median SAT, ect., NEU beats UT in every metrics.
Wake the F up to 2025 granny, it's not 1986.

Texas is a state school and not full of rich kids paying 100k so of course this is going to affect raw numbers.

Do you seriously just sit around and look for any post on here with northeastern in it? Hopefully the school is at least paying you for this.



So just pulling random stuff out of your @$$ is better?
Why did you say UT is better?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I dont think you can write 22 strong applications.

Maybe there are schools that don't require essays or supps. Okay. But for those that do - every short answer, every quick take has to really be well crafted.

Our counselor says kids who apply to 7-8 schools usually have better options than kids who apply to 15+. I believe it


Most of the 20+ applications are split he’s ill btw EA and RD.

RD applications written 2 months after EA can often be stronger. Writing good essay packages is a learned skill. You get better the more you do.


22 applications is insane and unnecessary with a well curated list. 2-3 reaches, a handful or targets, and 2-3 safetys your child is actually willing to attend (not just easy to get in or rolling admissions).

Anything more is a waste of time and money.



That's not true these days. The Regular Decision acceptance rate for schools like Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Chicago is sub-5 percent. And nearly every applicant is outstanding. Regular Decision acceptance to a T20 is very much a lottery. We've all seen an acceptance to Harvard but a rejection from Brown. Or an acceptance to MIT but a rejection from Rice. Or an acceptance to Stanford but a rejection from Penn. None of it is logical. It can't be planned for. Regular Decision at the T20 level feels random for the top students, which incentives applying broadly to numerous reach schools.

ED is different. You can strategize about that. But the RD round is mayhem for gifted students applying to T20 schools. So they tend to send quite a few apps these days.

This isn't true, and shows that most of you don't know what you're talking about. RD is difficult due to thr shear size of the applicant pool, not the quality. The applicant pool with the highest quality outsode of scholarship students is ED. Schools that have 2 rounds of ED usually say ED1 has the highest quality and wealthiest students applying and ED2 is the weakest, with RD somewhere in between. I'm getting my info directly from Emory admissions.
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Anonymous wrote:My kid did 11 btw EA and RD and can’t imagine doing many more, unless you’re talking applications w no supps.

But our school is hard focused on getting each app right. Teachers will even write a LOR, you submit the app, then teacher will edit for next school etc. So that app to Princeton or Rice or Williams is all about that kid and what they’ll bring to that specific school.



LORs in Common App cannot be edited once submitted.

What I mean here is that once a teacher uploads to Common App and the student submits to a school, that teacher LOR cannot be changed. The teacher cannot upload a new LOR for the student for some other college. This is a very important clarification to emphasize if there are any teachers reading here: you cannot make LORs school-specific for submissions through Common App.


this isn't true. you have to withdraw and resubmit, but it's fine.

you can also edit common app essay, activities list, additional info .. all of it. my kid did that for every school.


+2 Also, at our private school you can have multiple letters of recommendation (from different teachers) available and ask the CCO pick which one(s) to submit to which school. CCO will read the recommendation and decide, even though kids can’t read them. This works well if you are crafting a different narrative for different schools (classics major for one, English major for another, etc.).
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:University of Texas saw a massive increase, from 72,000 to 90,000. USC got more than 42,000 EA applications. UVA saw a huge spike. Northeastern went from 98,000 applications to over 107,000. Overall, applications in the Common App increased from 6.3 million to 6.7 million.

I thought that the demographic cliff would be kicking in, but it looks like it is harder than ever.

Two of those are a great educational value
Northeastern likely up from marketing and fee waivers


Northeastern is actually better performing school than the other two

Lol. Sure.


Granny, wake up.

You are seriously delusional if you think anyone puts NEU above UT and Michigan.


Retention
NEU 97%
UT 96%

Graduation
NEU 90%
UT 84%

4-year-out salary outcome
NEU 93K
UT $75K

Acceptance rate, yield rate, median SAT, ect., NEU beats UT in every metrics.
Wake the F up to 2025 granny, it's not 1986.


The demographic at UT includes a lot of FGLI kids that get in through the 6% rule from low income high schools and they tend to drop out at higher rates. There was a 60 minutes episode about the difficulties these FGLI face when they enroll at UT. I don’t think the numbers reflect that NEU is a better quality school.
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