University of Pittsburgh vs Grinnell College

[Anonymous]

andrew70912 wrote:OP here. DC is an athlete and has visited Grinnell, where the coach has strong interest in him. His pre-read has been approved by the admission office, meaning he is essentially guaranteed admission if he submits his ED2 application by the deadline. but DC remains hesitant at this point. Yes, he has already got an offer from Pitt, not as a recruited athlete though.

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Anonymous wrote:Grinnell has only released ED1 and Questbridge acceptances, right? If so, aren’t they obligated to go? This situation doesn’t add up.

Asking again. I’m confused as to how these are the choices when they seemingly couldn’t be.

OP didn’t actually say there was an offer of admissions from both. If Grinnell hasn’t released (or doesn’t offer - I don’t know) EA results, maybe this is all an academic exercise in preparation for anticipated success?

No idea. It would be great if OP clarified.

I assume the kid is in at Pitt, and considering applying ED2 to Grinnell. ED2 apps are due today. That means now is the time to decide which you prefer, because if the kid gets into Grinnell ED2, Pitt will be off the table.

Does he really want to play or is he ambivalent and maybe would prefer not to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

andrew70912 wrote:OP here. DC is an athlete and has visited Grinnell, where the coach has strong interest in him. His pre-read has been approved by the admission office, meaning he is essentially guaranteed admission if he submits his ED2 application by the deadline. but DC remains hesitant at this point. Yes, he has already got an offer from Pitt, not as a recruited athlete though.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grinnell has only released ED1 and Questbridge acceptances, right? If so, aren’t they obligated to go? This situation doesn’t add up.

Asking again. I’m confused as to how these are the choices when they seemingly couldn’t be.

OP didn’t actually say there was an offer of admissions from both. If Grinnell hasn’t released (or doesn’t offer - I don’t know) EA results, maybe this is all an academic exercise in preparation for anticipated success?

No idea. It would be great if OP clarified.

I assume the kid is in at Pitt, and considering applying ED2 to Grinnell. ED2 apps are due today. That means now is the time to decide which you prefer, because if the kid gets into Grinnell ED2, Pitt will be off the table.

Does he really want to play or is he ambivalent and maybe would prefer not to?

Yeah, this is actually dispositive of the school choice. Not, OP, an incidental issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only person who determines if a PhD is wanted is the student themselves.

I would phrase it as "Students who might want to get PhD's have a greater likelihood to matriculate at a SLAC" rather than an institution generates them.

I realize that a student can be moved to pursue a PhD by an excellent undergrad education. But it's more likely a compounded legacy effect and that the type of person who welcomes high contact academics will become a PhD.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9755046/#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20quarter%20(22.2%25),D.

"faculty are up to 25 times more likely to have a parent with a Ph.D. Moreover, this rate nearly doubles at prestigious universities and is stable across the past 50 years. Our results suggest that the professoriate is, and has remained, accessible disproportionately to the socioeconomically privileged, which is likely to deeply shape their scholarship and their reproduction."

The PhD data refutes the earlier claim that Pitt has superior academics. It certainly does not. PhD programs are among the most selective and favor rigorous academic prep. Now, a good argument can be made that so do law and med programs, but there isn’t a central authority publishing undergrad origin for all law or med school graduates the way there is for PhD earners, which is monitored by the NSF. (Grinnell does say they med school acceptance rate is about 66%, couldn’t find an equivalent measure for Pitt.)

We are talking about OPs kid and that kids' interests. OP said nothing about phd, law, or medicine, but did say the kid wasn't keen or rural middle of nowhere. The kid wants public health and biology, and at Pitt the kid has access to world class hospitals and a hub of biotech and medial innovation in Pittsburgh. I love Grinnell, but not for this kid.

Not relevant to OP, but on the med school question, the last data I saw was 80% admission success. Incidentally, the acceptance rate for Pitt Med is only 3%, but they take a high number of Pitt undergrads into the program (relatively speaking), so that is also a bonus. Pitt Med has a 98% success rate for senior medical students seeking matches in the 2024 National Resident Matching Program.

Source? That would be something like double the national average. One would think such an exceptional accomplishment would be well publicized on their site, but I can’t find it after numerous searches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

andrew70912 wrote:OP here. DC is an athlete and has visited Grinnell, where the coach has strong interest in him. His pre-read has been approved by the admission office, meaning he is essentially guaranteed admission if he submits his ED2 application by the deadline. but DC remains hesitant at this point. Yes, he has already got an offer from Pitt, not as a recruited athlete though.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grinnell has only released ED1 and Questbridge acceptances, right? If so, aren’t they obligated to go? This situation doesn’t add up.

Asking again. I’m confused as to how these are the choices when they seemingly couldn’t be.

OP didn’t actually say there was an offer of admissions from both. If Grinnell hasn’t released (or doesn’t offer - I don’t know) EA results, maybe this is all an academic exercise in preparation for anticipated success?

No idea. It would be great if OP clarified.

I assume the kid is in at Pitt, and considering applying ED2 to Grinnell. ED2 apps are due today. That means now is the time to decide which you prefer, because if the kid gets into Grinnell ED2, Pitt will be off the table.

Does he really want to play or is he ambivalent and maybe would prefer not to?

Yeah, this is actually dispositive of the school choice. Not, OP, an incidental issue.

+1 An important twist to the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only person who determines if a PhD is wanted is the student themselves.

I would phrase it as "Students who might want to get PhD's have a greater likelihood to matriculate at a SLAC" rather than an institution generates them.

I realize that a student can be moved to pursue a PhD by an excellent undergrad education. But it's more likely a compounded legacy effect and that the type of person who welcomes high contact academics will become a PhD.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9755046/#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20quarter%20(22.2%25),D.

"faculty are up to 25 times more likely to have a parent with a Ph.D. Moreover, this rate nearly doubles at prestigious universities and is stable across the past 50 years. Our results suggest that the professoriate is, and has remained, accessible disproportionately to the socioeconomically privileged, which is likely to deeply shape their scholarship and their reproduction."

The PhD data refutes the earlier claim that Pitt has superior academics. It certainly does not. PhD programs are among the most selective and favor rigorous academic prep. Now, a good argument can be made that so do law and med programs, but there isn’t a central authority publishing undergrad origin for all law or med school graduates the way there is for PhD earners, which is monitored by the NSF. (Grinnell does say they med school acceptance rate is about 66%, couldn’t find an equivalent measure for Pitt.)

We are talking about OPs kid and that kids' interests. OP said nothing about phd, law, or medicine, but did say the kid wasn't keen or rural middle of nowhere. The kid wants public health and biology, and at Pitt the kid has access to world class hospitals and a hub of biotech and medial innovation in Pittsburgh. I love Grinnell, but not for this kid.

Not relevant to OP, but on the med school question, the last data I saw was 80% admission success. Incidentally, the acceptance rate for Pitt Med is only 3%, but they take a high number of Pitt undergrads into the program (relatively speaking), so that is also a bonus. Pitt Med has a 98% success rate for senior medical students seeking matches in the 2024 National Resident Matching Program.

Source? That would be something like double the national average. One would think such an exceptional accomplishment would be well publicized on their site, but I can’t find it after numerous searches.

Admissions. I don't know if it's published, but they said a big reason for it is the weeding out they do, and the number they take into their own med school (though they also say they don't give preference -- I think they do). There are many ways to slice that data, of course. When a nephew applied in 2014, the data he was shown said it was 68%. Who knows, maybe it's just marketing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only person who determines if a PhD is wanted is the student themselves.

I would phrase it as "Students who might want to get PhD's have a greater likelihood to matriculate at a SLAC" rather than an institution generates them.

I realize that a student can be moved to pursue a PhD by an excellent undergrad education. But it's more likely a compounded legacy effect and that the type of person who welcomes high contact academics will become a PhD.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9755046/#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20quarter%20(22.2%25),D.

"faculty are up to 25 times more likely to have a parent with a Ph.D. Moreover, this rate nearly doubles at prestigious universities and is stable across the past 50 years. Our results suggest that the professoriate is, and has remained, accessible disproportionately to the socioeconomically privileged, which is likely to deeply shape their scholarship and their reproduction."

The PhD data refutes the earlier claim that Pitt has superior academics. It certainly does not. PhD programs are among the most selective and favor rigorous academic prep. Now, a good argument can be made that so do law and med programs, but there isn’t a central authority publishing undergrad origin for all law or med school graduates the way there is for PhD earners, which is monitored by the NSF. (Grinnell does say they med school acceptance rate is about 66%, couldn’t find an equivalent measure for Pitt.)

We are talking about OPs kid and that kids' interests. OP said nothing about phd, law, or medicine, but did say the kid wasn't keen or rural middle of nowhere. The kid wants public health and biology, and at Pitt the kid has access to world class hospitals and a hub of biotech and medial innovation in Pittsburgh. I love Grinnell, but not for this kid.

Not relevant to OP, but on the med school question, the last data I saw was 80% admission success. Incidentally, the acceptance rate for Pitt Med is only 3%, but they take a high number of Pitt undergrads into the program (relatively speaking), so that is also a bonus. Pitt Med has a 98% success rate for senior medical students seeking matches in the 2024 National Resident Matching Program.

Source? That would be something like double the national average. One would think such an exceptional accomplishment would be well publicized on their site, but I can’t find it after numerous searches.

Admissions. I don't know if it's published, but they said a big reason for it is the weeding out they do, and the number they take into their own med school (though they also say they don't give preference -- I think they do). There are many ways to slice that data, of course. When a nephew applied in 2014, the data he was shown said it was 68%. Who knows, maybe it's just marketing.

So much less than 80% since they intentionally take out students from doing premed and do not count those not approved by the premed advisor. Sounds about right.